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Heck no , Spike sacrificed himself for buffy.

(27 votes, 45.7%)

ummm yeah Buffy actually loved Angel.

(19 votes, 32.2%)

Who cares there not together anymore anyways.

(8 votes, 13.5%)

I like buffy with Satsu better that both.

(5 votes, 8.4%)

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Total Votes: 59
Total Voters: 59

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Re: Great Debate*Spike is better for Buffy than An
« Reply #20 on Aug 6, 2010, 7:03pm »

Buffy and Angel were meant for each other. There was passion on both ends. Nothing even compares.

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Re: Great Debate*Spike is better for Buffy than An
« Reply #21 on Aug 17, 2010, 7:07pm »

I hate both ships. Bangel is a fantasy not a reality and Spuffy was too violent on both sides. Spike should never tried to rape her and she should never had hit him so many times just becasue she could. I think in Season 6 they both brought the wirst out of each other. While in Bangel their scenes mostly make me want to puke.

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Re: Great Debate*Spike is better for Buffy than An
« Reply #22 on Aug 17, 2010, 9:30pm »

N.D.U.O hit the nail on the head. I don't really think either relationship is healthy and or the "right" one. Buffy and Angel just magically fell in love. Seriously, watch the first seasons again, there's little buildup before they are "I NEED YOU FOREVER". I mean, it's better paced than like Bella and Edward who are magically in love forever and ever before they even speak, but the whole relationship just suddenly existed rather than being built.

And Spike and Buffy is just sad because it's really not healthy for either one of them. Well, to be fair, it's much better now than it was circa season 6 where the two just used each other knowing full well that they were in some way hurting the other person.

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Re: Great Debate*Spike is better for Buffy than An
« Reply #23 on Aug 18, 2010, 1:16am »

Well, I'm a forever Spuffy fan and despise Bangel, but I don't think right now is time for Spuffy. Like Moon Eyes said, Buffy's still too hung up on Angel and could never give her whole heart to Spike. It wouldn't be fair to Spike at all. Plus Twangel space sex put riiiiight off Bangel. Yeah, that's twue love and soulmates right there

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Re: Great Debate*Spike is better for Buffy than An
« Reply #24 on Aug 18, 2010, 5:22am »

Spuffy FOREVER!!! Spike and Buffy belong to each other! And I hated the "Twangel space sex" - Buffy had a sex with Twangel only under the "glow" and the Universe influence and Twangel took an advantage of her. Angel was Buffy's first love, but I'm not sure that she is still in love with him. And she didn't know Spike's alive. Now Spike's back and I believe the things will change.
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Re: Great Debate*Spike is better for Buffy than An
« Reply #25 on Aug 18, 2010, 5:32am »

I'm a Bangel shipper, but I do agree that their relationship can get a bit pukey. or more often than not I find myself thinking OMG just sleep together already!... wait - don't.
I realy did not like the Spuffy relationship AT ALL
It was far too violent and reminded me of a relationship that one of my older friends was in a few years back.
Did not end well.

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Re: Great Debate*Spike is better for Buffy than An
« Reply #26 on Aug 18, 2010, 5:55am »

Aug 18, 2010, 5:32am, TheDancingSlayer wrote:

Well, as you see I'm a Spuffy shipper! A huge one!

But I agree with you - in season 6 Spuffy relationship wasn't healthy, but their relationship had changed and grown on season 7 when Spike earned his soul back. Spike/Buffy relationship wasn't only about sex, they were in love. Buffy was in love with Spike and when she said in the end "I love you!" she did mean it. And Spike loved Buffy and cared for her, much more than Angel ever did... Actually what Angel did for her - he had abandoned her for her own good... And now he is returning to her under Twilight mask, killed her Slayers and a lot of innocent people, using her to open his Twilight dimension... isn't it far too violent?

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Re: Great Debate*Spike is better for Buffy than An
« Reply #27 on Aug 18, 2010, 6:47am »

Spike loved and cared for Buffy even when he didn't have a soul. We're all aware that their relationship was violent at times and wasn't perfect but that's the point- with Angel Buffy always had to act perfect and be little-miss-lovely-girlfriend whereas with Spike he saw "the best and the worst" of her and loved the two equally- their relationship was mroe relatistic and I feel Buffy was able to be herself more with Spike. Also Spike obsessed over Buffy and gradually grew top love her, Angel claimed to love her the second he saw her- reality check Angel: this just doesn't happen, so I believe his love is less genuine.

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Re: Great Debate*Spike is better for Buffy than An
« Reply #28 on Aug 18, 2010, 7:20am »

We forget something.

We always talk how violent Spike-Buffy's relationship was.
Can anyone remember how Angelus-Buffy's relationship was?

And if you remember that, then compare Angel-Buffy's relationship to Spike-Buffy's relationship in season 7....NO MORE violence, just trust and love.

It's not fair to compare a soulless vampire's relationship to the one that a vampire with a soul had.

We will either compare Angelus-Buffy's relationship to Spike-Buffy's until season 6,
OR
Angel-Buffy's relationship to the one that Buffy had with Spike in season 7

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« Reply #29 on Aug 18, 2010, 3:31pm »

^ That point brings back for me the big difference between Spike and Angel, the same one that was brought up in the episode Destiny. Because of way Spike got his soul as opposed to Angel makes Spike better than him, more deserving of the Shanshu prophecy. But because of that Spike is accountable for his actions without his soul. Angel cannot control what he does without his soul whereas Spike can, so Spike and Angelus cannot be compared. Think about it on his worst day Spike was never as evil as Angelus mostly because I believe Spike's human heart was always in control of his actions even without a soul. So while I cut Spike some slack there was no big change him after he got his soul. Look at how he treated Harmony in Angel season 5 - how does it differ from Buffy season 5?

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Re: Great Debate*Spike is better for Buffy than An
« Reply #30 on Aug 18, 2010, 3:39pm »

Aug 18, 2010, 3:31pm, N.D.U.O wrote:

I really dont' want to compare Spike's character in season 5 of AtS, because, basically, they f@cked his character there.

They spend 6 seasons in BtVS bulding his character, and then, just boom, in AtS, his character went back in how he was in season 5 of Buffy.

I don't say that i enjoyed Spike being Buffy's puppy, but you don't just spend 2 years changing and evolving his character, and just forget everything then.

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« Reply #31 on Aug 18, 2010, 4:08pm »

I like Spike's character in Ats 5 because I think he needed to figure out where he stood without Buffy. They woobie-fied him so it was nice seeing him grow at least one ball back.

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« Reply #32 on Aug 18, 2010, 4:20pm »

Aug 18, 2010, 4:08pm, N.D.U.O wrote:

I like Spike's character in Ats 5 because I think he needed to figure out where he stood without Buffy. They woobie-fied him so it was nice seeing him grow at least one ball back.

Only in the last episodes, in the first ones he was exactly like Spike season 5 of BtVS.
You will understand the difference if you rewatch season 7 Of Buffy, and the immediately go to season 5 of Angel.

But still, you just can't compare a soulless vampire's relationship to the one that Angel had, it's just not fair.

Even if Spike without a soul was in better control of himself that Angel was, he was still a vampire, with killer instincts who could still harm, even with a chip in his head, but in different ways.

If we want to compare Spike and Angel and the relationships they both had with Buffy, THE ONLY fair thing is to compare Spike season 7 and afterwards.

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Aug 18, 2010, 5:55am, veiriti wrote:

Aug 18, 2010, 5:32am, TheDancingSlayer wrote:

Well, as you see I'm a Spuffy shipper! A huge one!

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Re: Great Debate*Spike is better for Buffy than An
« Reply #34 on Aug 18, 2010, 4:34pm »

Okay, my problems with Spuffy btvs 7 is that they where so dependant on each other their personalities changed. Buffy to me gets whinier and more self-involved every year and while that's not Spikes fault it does affect they're relationship. Spike was completely dependant on her due to the fresh pain of his soul, this time not Buffys fault but will affect their relationship.

I don't think there's any use comparing the two relationships as the problems each faces are completely different.

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Re: Great Debate*Spike is better for Buffy than An
« Reply #35 on Aug 20, 2010, 3:08am »

i voted for Buffy and Satsu.....i guess it's the gay lady in me that can't not vote for them above all else.

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Re: Great Debate*Spike is better for Buffy than An
« Reply #36 on Oct 10, 2010, 12:45pm »

It's Batsu hands down for me.

Personally, I never held much interest in Buffy's relationships. I prefer my girl alone, driven, and telling "great muppety Odin" that she misses sex. However, I feel Satsu is a great fit for Buffy.

At one time I felt it would be truly sweet if the show ended with Bander, but now she's missed that bus and that's that.

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Re: Great Debate*Spike is better for Buffy than An
« Reply #37 on Oct 10, 2010, 4:46pm »

It's odd. I feel Buffy and Angel's relationship is the better one, but I actually prefer Buffy when she's not in any relationship.

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« Reply #38 on Nov 1, 2010, 8:51pm »

Even though both relationships are ridiculously unhealthy, I went with Bangel

a) because it will always be my favourite ship in the Buffyverse and

b) because her relationship with Angel doesn't make her feel anywhere near as repulsed, degraded and depressive as her relationship with Spike did.

Plus Angel never tried to rape her.

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Re: Great Debate*Spike is better for Buffy than An
« Reply #39 on Nov 9, 2010, 10:25pm »

Nov 1, 2010, 8:51pm, AngelFaith wrote:

That wasn't Spike making her depressed. It was being ripped from heaven by her best friend.

And you're right. Angel never tried to rape Buffy. He successfully raped her.

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