patxshand
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Post by patxshand on Jan 14, 2010 18:31:38 GMT -5
I don't really think Mr. Whedon is in the business of sending out poisonous messages.
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Post by thevampirewithsoul on Jan 14, 2010 18:41:09 GMT -5
As I've said before. I can't see Angel coming back from this. As Twilight, he has a lot of blood on his hands. The thing that really makes me mad is that Joss never told IDW what his plans for Angel were. If Angel as Twilight bombs then the whole Angelverse is ruined. Angel is my favorite charcter, and I just get this feeling that this will not end well for him.
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Post by DorothyFan1 on Jan 14, 2010 20:00:22 GMT -5
I don't really think Mr. Whedon is in the business of sending out poisonous messages. I did say it was just my opinion and I'm hopeful I'm wrong. Looks can be deceiving...I'll grant you that. But Twilight has gone to extreme lengths to achieve his goals and I can't help but consider him an evil villain. If there's something wrong with that I'd be glad to hear the case. For the sake of argument...let's suppose I'm a Scoobie supporter and believe Twilight is an evil character. Am I wrong to think this? If so I'd be glad to hear the argument. However, I suspect I'll have to swallow bitter medicine to accept such an opposite point of view. Playing God and judging character motivations for their transgressions is a hard job least of all because I'm not God and neither is anyone else. Characters can make mistakes. I understand this...but there has to be an imaginary line that shouldn't be crossed otherwise questions will get raised on when to stop. I'm hopeful neither Buffy/Angel will cross this line and I'm willing to see this storyline through to the end. Does this mean I trust Joss Whedon's driving skills in narrating this tale? Yes I do. But when he's driving fast alongside vertical cliffs...I can't help but crap in my pants while going along this journey. I'm having fun...but still feeling nervous on whether I can get out alive in one piece. That's a sign Joss is a terrific storyteller. I may not always agree with the twists and turns in the story...but I'm willing to let myself see this thing through.
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Post by CowboyGuy on Jan 14, 2010 21:59:24 GMT -5
I don't really think Mr. Whedon is in the business of sending out poisonous messages. I did say it was just my opinion and I'm hopeful I'm wrong. Looks can be deceiving...I'll grant you that. But Twilight has gone to extreme lengths to achieve his goals and I can't help but consider him an evil villain. If there's something wrong with that I'd be glad to hear the case. For the sake of argument...let's suppose I'm a Scoobie supporter and believe Twilight is an evil character. Am I wrong to think this? If so I'd be glad to hear the argument. However, I suspect I'll have to swallow bitter medicine to accept such an opposite point of view. Playing God and judging character motivations for their transgressions is a hard job least of all because I'm not God and neither is anyone else. Characters can make mistakes. I understand this...but there has to be an imaginary line that shouldn't be crossed otherwise questions will get raised on when to stop. I'm hopeful neither Buffy/Angel will cross this line and I'm willing to see this storyline through to the end. Does this mean I trust Joss Whedon's driving skills in narrating this tale? Yes I do. But when he's driving fast alongside vertical cliffs...I can't help but crap in my pants while going along this journey. I'm having fun...but still feeling nervous on whether I can get out alive in one piece. That's a sign Joss is a terrific storyteller. I may not always agree with the twists and turns in the story...but I'm willing to let myself see this thing through. I know I clicked "like this" on your post, btu I also wanted to comment that I agree with this. I'm worried about what this means for Angel, who is one of my favorite characters in the verse. But I'm totally along for the ride and am waiting with BAITED breath to see where this leads. And totally down for Season 9. The forum is gonna be crazy when the first info for that comes to light for sure! PS: Glad to see you here DorothyFan!
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Tea - Total
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Post by Tea - Total on Jan 15, 2010 5:58:40 GMT -5
The First evil is the manifested from all evil in existence,The First has a deep understanding of human nature since it can copy the thoughts and mannerisms of all human beings who have died,which it can control people who dead and their identity before they died.
The only reason i think its the first because the first power lies in its ability to deceive, torment and manipulate others. So Angel will be a good emotion significance for Buffy,. If i recall the first had a conversations with willow about stop using magics. The first mentioned about her future path if she didn't stop using magics and it wasn't good , thats why the first was manipulating willow to kill herself and guess what she went dark in the future. I might be wrong, but thats the fun we have theories. And i love discussing them. Its not the first is it? i just wish the first would come back and show its potential.
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Post by Midnight Butterfly on Jan 15, 2010 11:50:15 GMT -5
I love this cover. I really hope my comic shop gets the Jo cover in for this one, I love Georges art but I prefer Jo's covers.
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Post by pyrogirl on Jan 16, 2010 1:48:07 GMT -5
These covers are amazing, makes me happy. I can certainly except and like season 8. I can't help but say, I like where the story is headed.
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Post by Whedon Fan on Jan 16, 2010 11:31:14 GMT -5
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Post by vampiresaiyan on Jan 17, 2010 21:23:55 GMT -5
you know I have heard alot of people saying Angel cannot come back from this and this kinda bothers me. I mean everyone has there opinions and I respect them all but it seems to me ever since season 1 of buffy it has always been about redemption and coming back from terrible things I mean Angel Killed Jenny Calender and tried to destroy the world. I am not even getting started on Spike lol. Willow turned evil Killed someone and tried to destroy the world as well. I mean my god lol there is just about not a person in the scooby gang that has not done terrible things yet in the end they are the good guys. I just think this will be one more obstacle in his long screwed up life that poor Angel will have to overcome when its all over. Thats my two cents anyways.
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Post by Rebecca on Jan 18, 2010 15:12:22 GMT -5
I believe the difference this time (at least at present) is that there isn't any driving force behind Twilight's acts other than Angel himself. Angel's monstrosity of killing Jenny and trying to destroy the world was driven by Angelus, Willow killed Warren after she went dark and was no longer of sound mind, and Spike did a whole host of ungodly things when he was an unsouled vamp. The difference is, back then, there was an "evil force" driving our beloved characters to do harm. So far, that doesn't seem to characterize the present case of Angel as Twilight. Not to say that I won't forgive him
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Jan 18, 2010 15:19:45 GMT -5
Assuming Joss isn't going again to the "Angel isn't responsible for his actions" well...
I can't imagine a scenario in which I'd forgive Angel for this. Maybe Joss has some angle that will enable me to do so, but if he does it's one I haven't thought of. And I've thought of a lot.
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Post by vampiresaiyan on Jan 18, 2010 15:37:07 GMT -5
Yeah I can def. see where you guys are coming from on this. I just feel like when we discover Angels motives. We will see him in a different light. Maybe he has seen the future. Who knows lol all I know is even though the surprise was taken away from the twilight unmasking I think it hasn't done as much harm as believed. All it has done for me at least is sparked my curiosity way more lol.
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Post by DorothyFan1 on Jan 19, 2010 7:17:12 GMT -5
I believe the difference this time (at least at present) is that there isn't any driving force behind Twilight's acts other than Angel himself. Angel's monstrosity of killing Jenny and trying to destroy the world was driven by Angelus, Willow killed Warren after she went dark and was no longer of sound mind, and Spike did a whole host of ungodly things when he was an unsouled vamp. The difference is, back then, there was an "evil force" driving our beloved characters to do harm. So far, that doesn't seem to characterize the present case of Angel as Twilight. Not to say that I won't forgive him You made some good points. Which suggests what Angel is doing now is far more serious a question to think over. If Angel is the driving force here and not some outside influence...this may trigger a civil war in the Buffyverse. Some people we like are going to side with Angel. This could be problematic because once this storyline ends how do you forgive them? . If Buffy joins him in his quest...are we supposed to cheer her?
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gelious
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Post by gelious on Jan 19, 2010 17:50:17 GMT -5
Very beautiful, amazing covers.
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Post by nmcil on Jan 19, 2010 20:06:48 GMT -5
I don't really think Mr. Whedon is in the business of sending out poisonous messages. I did say it was just my opinion and I'm hopeful I'm wrong. Looks can be deceiving...I'll grant you that. But Twilight has gone to extreme lengths to achieve his goals and I can't help but consider him an evil villain. If there's something wrong with that I'd be glad to hear the case. For the sake of argument...let's suppose I'm a Scoobie supporter and believe Twilight is an evil character. Am I wrong to think this? If so I'd be glad to hear the argument. However, I suspect I'll have to swallow bitter medicine to accept such an opposite point of view. Playing God and judging character motivations for their transgressions is a hard job least of all because I'm not God and neither is anyone else. Characters can make mistakes. I understand this...but there has to be an imaginary line that shouldn't be crossed otherwise questions will get raised on when to stop. I'm hopeful neither Buffy/Angel will cross this line and I'm willing to see this storyline through to the end. Does this mean I trust Joss Whedon's driving skills in narrating this tale? Yes I do. But when he's driving fast alongside vertical cliffs...I can't help but crap in my pants while going along this journey. I'm having fun...but still feeling nervous on whether I can get out alive in one piece. That's a sign Joss is a terrific storyteller. I may not always agree with the twists and turns in the story...but I'm willing to let myself see this thing through. From my perspective, and totally my personal opinion, the prime example of how some of the plots and "character choices" have been critical to how viewers see the characters is the arc with Buffy making the choice to sacrifice Faith, to literally kill one person to save her lover - there will never be a way back to a "Good Love Relationship" for Buffy and Angel from this storyline. Buffy's character has always suffered and been tainted, for me, after this act. This is that "line" and act that was crossed, that I found "repugnant." Those romantic covers have no context other than what the viewer brings to the viewing - They can be interpreted in so many ways - to go on auto "romantic couple mode" is not logical. And Angel has already done some very questionable acts - one being his allowing Darla and Dru to kill all the people at the W&H party. Angel has always been a terrible flawed Hero Model -
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Post by willow333 on Jan 20, 2010 15:25:12 GMT -5
These covers are great. I agree with most that these are prob some of the best of Season 8. The likenesses are spot on.
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Post by drewapril on Jan 21, 2010 16:46:59 GMT -5
Wow, wow, wow. I'm still in shock about Twilight being Angel, but man, these covers are completely beautiful. I'd go out on a limb and say this is the best set of covers that Jo's ever done for Season 8. same here I did not see that coming. I'm shocked- speechless
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Post by alex_krycek on Jan 22, 2010 8:56:57 GMT -5
refresh my memory. is there a one-shot coming after the twilight arc? or are they going to their scheduled time off?
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Jan 22, 2010 9:29:53 GMT -5
refresh my memory. is there a one-shot coming after the twilight arc? or are they going to their scheduled time off? There will be two months off (June and July) between Meltzer's arc and Joss's. One month will be filled by a Serenity one-shot about Wash, written by Patton Oswalt (I believe), and the other will be a season 8 one-shot.
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Post by wenxina on Jan 22, 2010 9:30:50 GMT -5
There'll be two one-shots coming between the "Twilight" arc and Joss' final arc. One will be a one-shot kinda focused on Wash (so it'll be a Firefly one-shot), and the second will most likely be a Tales of the Slayer-type deal. It's not finalized yet, but as far as we know, there'll be a two month gap between the arcs.
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