Big Bad(s) of Season 9

[alex_krycek]

Just curious to see what some of the others would think of Season 9 and where it will go. Just because the villains carry over, doesn't mean they will be the big bad of season 9.

[Skytteflickan88]

So tired of Amy and Warren, and too be honest, Twilight isn't that interesting either. The same big bad for four years really doesn't work for me.

I think I will have to wait until season 9 is released in TPB before I read, so I can read without waiting to be able to feel excited about the plot and big bad(s).

I hope we get small bads for season 9, one per 5 issue arc maybe? I would like season 9 to be more focused on the characters anyway.

That's what I want, but what do I expect the writers to do?

I think they'll lose Warren, Amy and Twilight. They're old news.

[Billie Erin]

I believe a character like Warren is disposable and Twilgiht can't stay forever knowing who he is, but Amy could- and I think will- be kept on

That's if I had to make a guess

[Hallow Thorn]

Dark Willow as a side 'big bad', and a new guy for the main 'big bad'.

[Whedon Fan]

I'd like them to go back to basics for season 9. Well not totally back but Buffy the scoobies and the scooby slayer army but in seperate squads around the world. Out on patrol hunting vampires.

Buffy running through a grave yard, stake in her hand chasing down the vampiures, they turn a corner to find 7-8 slayers waiting for them. Buffy then sits down on the grass and taloks to Xander and Willow about their day whilst the other slayers take down the vampires. . .

[Joe]

I think it would be a great character arc for Amy if she tried to redeem herself and joined Buffy's crew in season 9 for some reason. Remember when Amy wasn't evil? She was cool! I'd like her to get back to that.

[Hallow Thorn]

Jan 27, 2010 15:20:47 GMT -5 Joe said:

I think it would be a great character arc for Amy if she tried to redeem herself and joined Buffy's crew in season 9 for some reason. Remember when Amy wasn't evil? She was cool! I'd like her to get back to that.

Yeah, I love Amy so I would very much like her to redeem herself, But I don't think she would work well with Buffy and Co. so I just want her to join a coven or something.

[Beaumonde]

I don't want her to redeem herself. We've got enough characters on the path to redemtion right now. I don't care about her character so I don't really want her to join the scoobs. I'd like her to just die and that's that.

[AndrewCrossett]

Apparently Amy is going to play a bigger role in the upcoming story than just the second-string baddie she has been. I agree that she's probably either going to die (and take Warren with her), or switch sides (and end her spell on Warren, killing him.)

Either way, it doesn't look too good for Warren.

[henzINNIT]

Warren is indeed screwed, and yet I'm not feeling the grief.

Maybe this Amy importance can lead to an explanation as to why the hell Amy of all people is on the "end magic" side of the battle.

[wenxina]

Jan 28, 2010 8:52:24 GMT -5 henzINNIT said:

Warren is indeed screwed, and yet I'm not feeling the grief.

Maybe this Amy importance can lead to an explanation as to why the hell Amy of all people is on the "end magic" side of the battle.

She was promised clemency from the purge, just like Roden said he was?
But I really don't care for Amy or Warren. Turn her back into a rat and throw her into a roomful of mousetraps baited with nice chunks of prime gouda.

[AndrewCrossett]

Jan 28, 2010 8:52:24 GMT -5 henzINNIT said:

Maybe this Amy importance can lead to an explanation as to why the hell Amy of all people is on the "end magic" side of the battle.

Scott Allie says it's because she was promised an exemption.

But I wonder why a witch as experienced as Amy isn't asking how you can end all magic in the world, except for a chosen few? I think I'd be asking for specifics on how that will work.

[Hellbound Hyperion]

Jan 28, 2010 9:23:03 GMT -5 wenxina said:

Jan 28, 2010 8:52:24 GMT -5 henzINNIT said:

Warren is indeed screwed, and yet I'm not feeling the grief.

Maybe this Amy importance can lead to an explanation as to why the hell Amy of all people is on the "end magic" side of the battle.

She was promised clemency from the purge, just like Roden said he was?
But I really don't care for Amy or Warren. Turn her back into a rat and throw her into a roomful of mousetraps baited with nice chunks of prime gouda.

While I don't disagree, Scott did say that Amy was of higher importance than (at least) Warren and Riley. That leaves me very curious.

[wenxina]

Higher importance, I get. But I'd still like to see her ended the way I previously proposed. If I get s sobfest redemption story on that rat skank... I will roll my eyes and consider it a strike against S8.
Or maybe turn Amy back into a rat, give her rabies, have Harmony exiled and desperate. Harmony catches Amy, drains her, catches rabies, and in her mouth-foaming rabid frenzy, falls into a sawmill and gets dusted by woodchips. Two of the most disdainful women of the Buffyverse taken care of. YES!
If you can't tell, I'm in a particularly vindictive mood today.

[henzINNIT]

I too am not enjoying the idea of redemption. It's been done to death, and Amy's turn wasn't really motivated by anything but her own personality.

[AndrewCrossett]

Jan 28, 2010 12:03:59 GMT -5 henzINNIT said:

I too am not enjoying the idea of redemption. It's been done to death, and Amy's turn wasn't really motivated by anything but her own personality.

I'm not so sure about that... the three years she spent as a rat had something to do with it, I think.

I doubt she'll be "redeemed" in the sense of regretting what she's done and wanting to change. More likely she'll find her interests aligned with Buffy's by circumstances. (Such as finding out Twilight has no intention of exempting her from the death of magic.)

[wenxina]

Jan 28, 2010 12:59:29 GMT -5 AndrewCrossett said:

I'm not so sure about that... the three years she spent as a rat had something to do with it, I think.

Amy has never been a sympathetic character for me, beyond her first appearance. She showed very early on that she was abusing magic to suit her own agenda (cheating on assignments, for example). Heck, even her transmogrification was self-induced, and done out of cowardice. Self-preservation, yes, but instead of trying to put out the fire or anything of that sort, she turned into a rat, and ran off... which says a lot about her. And I don't see how being a rat would make her evil... if she didn't already have shady inclinations.
In S6, when she talks about Rack, it sounded like she had known him for a while, like pre-rat... meaning that Amy was already messing around with dark magic back then.
So yeah, not sympathetic at all, and to me, her dark turn in S6 was a pretty natural progression, despite what others say about it.

[AndrewCrossett]

Jan 28, 2010 13:04:53 GMT -5 wenxina said:

Amy has never been a sympathetic character for me, beyond her first appearance. She showed very early on that she was abusing magic to suit her own agenda (cheating on assignments, for example). Heck, even her transmogrification was self-induced, and done out of cowardice. Self-preservation, yes, but instead of trying to put out the fire or anything of that sort, she turned into a rat, and ran off... which says a lot about her. And I don't see how being a rat would make her evil... if she didn't already have shady inclinations.
In S6, when she talks about Rack, it sounded like she had known him for a while, like pre-rat... meaning that Amy was already messing around with dark magic back then.
So yeah, not sympathetic at all, and to me, her dark turn in S6 was a pretty natural progression, despite what others say about it.

Amy has been subjected to several major traumas in her life... her mother's abuse, being turned into an animal and confined to a cage for 3 years, then buried alive under the ruins of Sunnydale. Those things at least help explain her change of personality, if not excuse it.

I predict she stays dark, but possibly enters an alliance of necessity with Buffy, like Spike did at the end of season 2.

[wenxina]

1. She wasn't turned into an animal. She turned herself into an animal.
2. She was already playing about with darker magics BEFORE she became an animal. Despite the fact that she apparently had a loving father who took her in after her mother disappeared. Sure, she's got mommy issues, but that doesn't excuse her becoming her mother.

So no, I'm still not sympathetic to her pathetic self.

[henzINNIT]

Yeah I'm with Wex. Amy is a product of herself. It's refreshing in this universe really, she is deeply flawed in similar ways to Warren. She abused magic at the soonest opportunity for her own gain, dragged a vunerable addict and friend down while she was trying to recover, and then blamed her later on because of her recovery.