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Post by CowboyGuy on Sept 7, 2010 20:28:09 GMT -5
Just read the issue. For some reason I get the vibe that this is being played as light-hearted and a bit rushed.
I dunno, I mean I don't want Angel to die or anything, but it seems like nothing is going to happen to him in order to be redeemed for the things he has done "for Buffy's sake". Spike seems a bit aloof, and Buffy...she's never really been this open to Angel. Not that I remember anyway! Has the sex and universe creation blown down all the weirdness between them after all these years? The whole face touching, warm-heartedness just doesn't jive well in my eyes.
Also, The Master? Still in the buried church? Which by the way should be like double buried since the whole town is a crater now...
*side eyes*
I hope this all makes some sort of sense!
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Sept 7, 2010 20:32:01 GMT -5
Also, The Master? Still in the buried church? Which by the way should be like double buried since the whole town is a crater now... Looks like there's a lot of wreckage in the background. His old lair was just rocks and candles, mostly. I think he's cleared out a space down there. After all, Warren and Amy had to be living somewhere...
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Post by CowboyGuy on Sept 7, 2010 20:51:39 GMT -5
Tis' true.
It just doesn't seem within continuity that he's just been hiding underground for seven years, post Season 1. If so, then why bother with trying to resurrect him in When She Was Bad?
Makes no sense to me. Hopefully this has to do with dimensions, and the time-ripples Willow spoke of.
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Post by wenxina on Sept 7, 2010 21:59:50 GMT -5
Well, here's part 1 and 2 of the TFAW.com interview with Georges:
And here are the videos from the "Buffy Season 8: Looking Back" panel:
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Sept 7, 2010 22:48:40 GMT -5
All I care about from the Scott & Georges interview was, "Buffy was the one who wanted sex with Satsu." And thank you, Joss, for vetoing tattoos on Satsu. So... no more explanation of why Angel became Twilight, but I think we pretty much know all that. The important thing is what happens next, and how Angel deals with it. I live in fear of issue #39.
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Post by wenxina on Sept 7, 2010 23:01:44 GMT -5
You may want to schedule a spa day, just in case...
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Post by BlueJay on Sept 8, 2010 0:23:27 GMT -5
Really good interview, I liked what they had to say. So excited for the finale, despite the so-so start. And, sidebar, Georges is hot.
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Post by sire on Sept 8, 2010 2:22:05 GMT -5
Great videos! thanks for posting them. Didnt love what they had to say about After the Fall canon, despite the fact it has been directly referenced in the latest issue. Doesnt sound like we're getting anymore explaination to Angels actions.. Hopefully when all's said and done we'll at least UNDERSTAND why he did what he did even if you dont agree with it. I just really wish he'd at least acknowledge the fact that by destroying our current reality he'd also be destroying his son?? why would he do that... Its bugging the crap out of me.
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Post by wenxina on Sept 8, 2010 8:54:51 GMT -5
As far as I know, we have enough to understand why Angel did what he did. It's now a matter of whether or not you agree with it. There may be more to come from IDW's side, since they are going to sync up the continuities.
ETA: All the videos from the panel have been updated. There are 8 in total. Enjoy.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Sept 8, 2010 9:23:08 GMT -5
As far as I know, we have enough to understand why Angel did what he did. It's now a matter of whether or not you agree with it. I very much hope I'm not supposed to agree with it, and that there is some kind of reckoning Angel has to pay. If not, it's going to very seriously affect my opinion of the season. It looks like they're already assembling a creative team for the Angel miniseries of season 9... which pretty much blows away my theory that they're going to kill Angel this season. So I guess Dawn and Giles are back to being the leading candidates.
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Post by Hellbound Hyperion on Sept 8, 2010 10:44:02 GMT -5
The solicits for the next couple of issues do mention Angel having to fess up for his failures. I don't think he'll be getting out of this squeaky-clean.
The TFAW D*Con vids are extremely helpful. Lots of clarification. I definitely feel like I have a better grasp on the big picture now.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Sept 8, 2010 10:56:09 GMT -5
Scott also said in his interview here that the control of Twilight/The Glow shouldn't be taken to fully excuse what Angel and Buffy did... which seems to indicate there will at least be a recognition that what Twilight did was not "a good thing."
I think there's a good possibility that the "betrayal" Buffy will face will involve her Slayers turning on her, replacing her as leader, and possibly looking for revenge on Angel.
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Post by Dorotea on Sept 8, 2010 11:13:43 GMT -5
It is also quite possible that even though we know all the facts - we don't know how they all fit together, and would not know , until at least 39, or maybe even 40. Thus judging what was the greater of two evils at this point is probably not possible. I still believe that letting the entire world go to waste was not the PtBs final goal. If we take what was said by both Whistler and various Universe spokes-creatures at face value, and assume they were telling the truth - what was the point of restoring the world from some ruinous disaster only to lay waste to it once again by utilizing Buffy-Angel ? Would not it been easier to 'just' create a new Universe on the ruins of the old one - without going to all the trouble of plucking Angel out of that apocalyptic timeline and resetting the world?
And if I am correct and destruction of the world was not the PtBs goal at all - than they actually relied on Buffy doing what she did while in Twilight - ie coming back to Earth. From this perspective the 'revenge of the Slayers' scenario seems a bit petty.
Besides, we still have the battle of Starbucks coming - I suspect it is what is going to happen in #40.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Sept 8, 2010 11:37:52 GMT -5
And if I am correct and destruction of the world was not the PtBs goal at all - than they actually relied on Buffy doing what she did while in Twilight - ie coming back to Earth. From this perspective the 'revenge of the Slayers' scenario seems a bit petty. It's entirely possible that everything is going exactly to the PtB's plan. But the Slayers wouldn't necessarily know all that when this happens... in fact, they probably wouldn't. It's also quite possible they wouldn't care. All they know is that they're Vampire Slayers, a vampire oversaw the killing of hundreds of their "sisters" -- and their leader then went and had sex with said vampire, thus bringing about an Apocalypse, which is the exact opposite of the Slayers' reason for existing. Besides, we still have the battle of Starbucks coming - I suspect it is what is going to happen in #40. Probably #39, I'd think. I expect #40 will be a denouement.
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Post by wenxina on Sept 8, 2010 12:13:23 GMT -5
Just finished watching all the videos (yeah, took a little personal time at work), and some very cool stuff in there. Highlights (for me): 1. SlayAlive got a shout out! Emmie too! 2. We'll learn more about the "force" that helped drive the cosmic sex. Basically the force that threw in the glow whammy. 3. Sounds like more Giles and Faith in S9. 4. If you haven't already heard... both Angel and Spike didn't time travel. Sounds like we're going to have to read the IDW books to understand what happened to them. Well, no surprise, and honestly, no news there. 5. Apparently there are some theories out there re: the Seed of Wonder being laid by Buffy as the result of the space frakkin. Really? Well, that's been debunked. Thank Hera. 6. Re: Buffy's superpowers: Allie said "Things will continue to evolve and change", and Jeanty said " her powers are the result of what's going on, so all of this will come to a resolution, so you can assume that her powers will come to a resolution as well". 7. They are NOT going to retcon the Fray universe! Allie said: "not going to cancel out Fray... that world is still our future". 8. There'll be more conversation between Buffy and Spike in the near future. I think specifically #37. 9. Giles and Faith will have a great moment in Spike's ship, possibly also in #37. And Giles will apparently have a few chances to shine in the upcoming issues. 10. A bunch of Dollhouse comics out in Spring 2011.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Sept 8, 2010 12:17:23 GMT -5
So Giles and Faith are both confirmed as alive for season 9?
Wow. Things are starting to narrow down a bit.
Things aren't looking good for Dawn, or for the New Slayers.
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Post by wenxina on Sept 8, 2010 12:32:06 GMT -5
So Giles and Faith are both confirmed as alive for season 9?
Wow. Things are starting to narrow down a bit.
Things aren't looking good for Dawn, or for the New Slayers. Starting to think that we should have started a new thread, or repurposed a previous thread for the discussion of these spoilers, since they are spoilers for future issues. Scott has previously said "Slayers" in the plural before, and we know that Simone is something that will be addressed in the future. So, chances are, we're not going to see the Slayer army depowered just yet. S8 was supposed to point us in the direction of Fray's time, but I don't think it's the final bridge. Oh, sidebar, did anyone catch that Scott's comment about a Season 10? Hmmm...
But, yeah, it sounds like Giles and Faith will be alive in S9. Or maybe one of them will be, and they'll carry on with doing good. Kinda vague there... but to me, it definitely sounded like those two would stick around.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Sept 8, 2010 12:56:00 GMT -5
Is it possible to pull these posts out of the thread and set them up as their own thread somewhere? Yeah, I heard the comment about season 10. I'm glad, but I'm really wondering how Joss is going to find the time for all this. I hope Scott is planning on staying at Dark Horse for a long time. It's interesting that Scott says he expects "rage on the Internet" over what happens in #39. That's good news for Dawn.
All I can think of is:
1. A MAJOR character dies... we're talking like Xander or Willow. Or perhaps just outright betrays Buffy.
2. One of the two main 'ships... Bangel or Spuffy... is definitively obliterated.
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Post by wenxina on Sept 8, 2010 13:35:25 GMT -5
Let's just move any conversation about the panel and the Jeanty interview HERE. It had already been repurposed, but not renamed a while back. Feel free to copy and paste your posts from here over there.
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Post by juniorwatcher on Sept 9, 2010 18:29:28 GMT -5
I don't post much on here, because I don't receive the comics, like everyone else, and wait to read reviews and read every post on this forum.
Well, from what I've gathered here's what I have to say:
If, in fact there is a main character marked for death, unfortunately Dawn, is the prime example: It's been established multiple times that Willow, Xander and Giles won't ever die, as Buffy NEEDS them, and they'll always be the core four.
The Betrayal: I agree, that the Slayers will betray Buffy, debunk her as leader, and go about their business. There's no doubt that the Slayers would want Buffy impeached as the leader, after all this is said and done, and I would love that
Buffy needs to be ALONE after this. I believe that the "Seed of Wonder," baby Universe, that Bangel created, after it's cracked as seen in "Anywhere but Here," will bring Buffy back to her senses, making her breakdown and cry as seen in the issue. And her feeling of the "bestest worst bestest" WHATEVER, will come crashing down. In my eyes, she's still under the Glowy euohoria.
Buffy = ALONE = She will be back to her self, do some soul searching, she'll be done baking, she'll be cook. I, for one, am sick of Buffy being made the fool of, especially with this season. I'm hoping for a soul searching lone journey, without Spike, without Angel, without the Slayerettes and without Giles, Willow, or Xander. Because frankly, I miss Buffy.
Now that Angel is coming to Dark Horse, I need for their to be some reckoning for him. I want ALL HELL to drop on Angel's head, for him to be redeemed for me. No matter what he did for the Greater Good, as Twilight, Season 8 has tarnished him quite a bit, in my eyes. I really want to know why/how he did what he did, in spite of Connor. I want to see how he comes into play, and what he has to say about this, in Angel's mini-series, in Season 9.
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