CourtneyDax
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Post by CourtneyDax on Feb 3, 2010 1:36:18 GMT -5
Wows so much reading for these posts! I mean you guys have written freaking short stories as reviews! I, on the other hand, am very ill with a horrible fever and shall leave a tiny comment as to how amazing this episode was. The thing that really stuck out for me was Topher's little arc he had. Even in his final moments, Topher remained the curious boy that we met in season one. Can I say, Topher Emote Now Plz? Oh and I agree that there were a lot of inconsistencies with the age thing. They didn't look ten years older at all. It's strange but i let it go.
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The Girl In Question
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Post by The Girl In Question on Feb 3, 2010 1:38:18 GMT -5
^^Yeah, they really didn't. When I notcied Echoe's one strand of grey hair I thought, "Too much stress?" Didn't even think they were trying to make her look older.
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Iceeh★
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Post by Iceeh★ on Feb 3, 2010 2:32:39 GMT -5
It's OVER. I'm gonna need some time to process this.
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lyndell
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Post by lyndell on Feb 6, 2010 0:47:46 GMT -5
That was a great ending to the show i thought. Although, Paul and Topher dying was very sad. Topher was an over time thing, like we knew it was gonna happen before it happened. But Paul was just like 'BAM' your gone.
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Post by Eric on Feb 6, 2010 12:51:52 GMT -5
At first I was too sad about Paul and Topher's deaths and the fact that one of my favorite shows ever was ending to have a real opinion about the finale. Then, after it had been a while and I wasn't as sad, I kinda came around to. But now, after having a week to think it through, I'm kinda irritated with it. My main problem is that the show ends with Echo and Paul "getting together" and makes it a big deal as if they were a huge will they or won't they couple. Did anyone even ship these two? I mean, Buffy didn't end with her getting together with either of her two big romantic interests, Angel or Spike, but Dollhouse ends with Echo getting together with Paul?
On the other hand, it was kind cute. I loved the way the scene in her head was shot and how amazing Eliza looked. And it did offer some sort of happiness to Echo.
Also, I missed a few bits in my original watching, but after rewatching on Hulu, I'm traumatized by seeing Felicia Day get shot in the shins. Just, traumatized.
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Post by henzINNIT on Feb 6, 2010 13:13:45 GMT -5
Who cares about shipping though? Isn't that traditionally fans obsessing, often over the couples that couldn't, wouldn't and sometimes even shouldn't develop?
I liked Echo and Paul at the end, it worked as a closer for me because it gave Echo some nice resolution and was deeply intertwined with the technology that held the show together.
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Post by Emmie on Feb 6, 2010 13:38:25 GMT -5
Who cares about shipping though? Answer: Fandom. (Also the postal service, UPS and FedEx.)
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Post by henzINNIT on Feb 6, 2010 17:11:20 GMT -5
lol Okay, I'll rephrase: How is shipping relevent as any kind of influence on a story's outcome? (execpt for delivering scripts of course heheh)
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Post by Eric on Feb 7, 2010 4:55:37 GMT -5
lol Okay, I'll rephrase: How is shipping relevent as any kind of influence on a story's outcome? (execpt for delivering scripts of course heheh) My point was, no one, including myself, really gave a damn about them, so I find it a little strange that the whole series ends with on the note of them getting together.
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Post by henzINNIT on Feb 7, 2010 14:50:17 GMT -5
That's something will have undoubtably been different if the show got the run Joss wanted, but it wasn't exactly the only end the show gave for the series. Victor and Sierra reuniting, Adelle leading the dolls from the house and restoring them, Topher finally using tech for good, and Echo returning to her pod as a complete person; quite nice end pieces too.
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Miss. Rogueh
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Post by Miss. Rogueh on Feb 7, 2010 17:59:33 GMT -5
I think Paul getting together with Echo wasn't really will they or wont they. It was Paul spent the whole series trying to find Caroline and trying to know Echo now he finaly understands what she is going through and who she really is inside her own head. Making his story arc complete. As far as Topher. Well who can't love Topher. He is the pure curiosity that is in us all. We all do things just because we are curious...
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Post by hitnrun017 on Feb 7, 2010 19:46:44 GMT -5
There's also the fact that there were 10 years of Echo and Paul interaction that we never saw, but I think the writers did a good job of making it clear that was a lot of history between them. I can see why people are questioning if we should care or not, especially how there was a lot of Paul/Mellie in the episodes before. But again, the history is there.
It might work for the audience, but it works for Echo.
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CourtneyDax
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Post by CourtneyDax on Feb 7, 2010 20:40:07 GMT -5
Also, I missed a few bits in my original watching, but after rewatching on Hulu, I'm traumatized by seeing Felicia Day get shot in the shins. Just, traumatized. Oh god, that was so brutal to watch. When I first saw it, I was like " NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! That did not just happen!!" *cries* Poor Mag...
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drusillacakes
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Post by drusillacakes on Feb 8, 2010 14:29:51 GMT -5
lol Okay, I'll rephrase: How is shipping relevent as any kind of influence on a story's outcome? (execpt for delivering scripts of course heheh) My point was, no one, including myself, really gave a damn about them, so I find it a little strange that the whole series ends with on the note of them getting together. I may not agree with Echo's choice in men, but if it's what Echo wants, then it's good enough for me. At the very least, there's closure.
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rarnet141
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Post by rarnet141 on Feb 9, 2010 22:48:49 GMT -5
just wanted to say I thought this was an AWESOME ending to an amazing series. so sad to see it go... ok you can now go to your various discussions
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Post by Inappropriate Starches on Feb 22, 2010 0:35:31 GMT -5
I'm actually going to go in a slightly different direction with my little review here. First however I will say that I thought the episode was totally boss, however I do understand people not quite connecting with the Echo/Paul ending. I wasn't against them, but just sort of indifferent, so I didn't feel as much as maybe I could have, but I thought it was sweet.
however my absolute favourite thing was that Alpha was evil anymore. I didn't really like the statement that a person at their core could be 'evil' so him not being evil anymore was something I absolutely loved seeing. It made sense that there would be a little part of themselves that wasn't lost, but not that their 'soul' is evil, so the fact that he could change made me really happy.
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Post by whitecandy on Feb 27, 2010 13:40:10 GMT -5
I have only just finished watching this episode, as they showed the last three episodes back to back on Tuesday which meant they would end at midnight and I couldn't stay awake that late as had work the next day. I watched episodes 11 and 12, but recorded Epitaph 2. I really enjoyed this episode, although sad that it is the last one. I thought that it tied everything up nicely after a somewhat rushed series where I felt many things would be left undone. I am very sad that Paul died. as always had a soft spot for the relationship that him and Echo had all through the two seasons, from his obsessive wanting to rescue her despite not even knowing her in season 1, all the way to the end. I think it was a nice touch that he will be with her forever now, as Echo always appeared so detached from everything due to her mulitple personalities and issues with who she was and who she became, and it always seemed like she would never really feel that complete emotional attachement for someone, so the fact she wants him with her always was really nice and showed a development in her character. I am HEARTBROKEN that Topher died It was so sad how he was at the end, he was so broken and child-like, after how confident and bolshy he always was. Although I agree with CourtneyDax that he was still so curious about things. I can't believe it is all over though
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spurtyknowledge
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Post by spurtyknowledge on Apr 8, 2010 18:50:46 GMT -5
In many ways, I think I am still reeling from this episode. I do not think I can ever excuse FOX for the cancellation of Dollhouse (and Syfy's misguided decision not to pick it up) followed by an entire season of mishandled, faulty, and largely non-existent promotion.
What a poignant and unique conclusion to the series, this was. Maurissa and Jed should have been given more reigns over the season, I feel.
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Post by Eric on Apr 8, 2010 18:58:12 GMT -5
Maurissa and Jed should have been given more reigns over the season, I feel. As much as I love both of the Epitaph episodes, I'm not sure I can agree with you about this. Don't forget that M&J were responsible for some of the crappier episodes in the first season.
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spurtyknowledge
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Post by spurtyknowledge on Apr 8, 2010 19:07:08 GMT -5
Maurissa and Jed should have been given more reigns over the season, I feel. As much as I love both of the Epitaph episodes, I'm not sure I can agree with you about this. Don't forget that M&J were responsible for some of the crappier episodes in the first season. I might be the only one who did not think "Stage Fright" was all that bad, and "Haunted" was just a somewhat failed throwback to murder mysteries, but also had plenty of awesome mythology set-ups: Not to mention the epic laser tag/geekfest scene with Sierra and Topher. "Belonging" and "The Attic" more than proved to me that Maurissa and Jed were the series' most remarkable writers. I loved Andrew Chambliss' work as well, and I feel he was underused. "The Hollow Men" could have benefited from his writing.
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