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Post by dragonweaver on Nov 23, 2009 7:31:41 GMT -5
Thanks for the interpretations. I was thrown by the sudden name change. I bet Joss intends the name to represent both Summer's character and a deeper meaning to the two episodes, which would make both of you right.
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Post by Hellbound Hyperion on Nov 23, 2009 12:15:07 GMT -5
Thanks for the interpretations. I was thrown by the sudden name change. I bet Joss intends the name to represent both Summer's character and a deeper meaning to the two episodes, which would make both of you right. Well the second part was already named The Left Hand, but I think I liked it better the first way - part 1 was The Public Eye and part 2 was The Left Hand. Gyaahhh body parts!!
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Post by wenxina on Dec 2, 2009 16:41:08 GMT -5
Preview clips added for both "The Public Eye" and "The Left Hand". Which is which, I don't know, but since both eps will air back to back, it really shouldn't matter too much. Enjoy.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Dec 4, 2009 22:16:24 GMT -5
Okay, that was worth the wait.
Some of the best performances yet by all the cast members... especially Enver. Man, somebody get that guy a lead role in his own show. (After Dollhouse is over, of course). The Two Tophers is one of the greatest things I've seen.
Summer was really good... she seemed a little River-like in places. (I thought they were trying to avoid that.) Her backstory with Caroline is interesting. It looks like she wasn't the sweet innocent we've assumed she was. The story of the incident in their past reminded me a lot of the one between Lara Croft and her former friend/now arch-enemy Amanda Evert, in the Tomb Raider games.
Poor Madeline, back into dollhood for a much less kind Dollhouse. But... remember that Topher has the ability to remotely re-program Actives that he has the brain scan of, and he has Madeline's brain scan. The DC Dollhouse may have only succeeded in creating a sleeper against themselves.
I think Cynthia is still alive.
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Post by hitnrun017 on Dec 4, 2009 22:19:24 GMT -5
Can't say I was impressed with this half of the two-parter. I still liked it, just had some higher expectations and they weren't met. The pacing was kind of all over the place, it took me out of the moment more than a few times. There were a couple cringe-worthy scenes too, like the climax between Echo, Daniel and his "wife". Maybe it was the writing, or mediocre acting, but it just didn't work.
Still some good though. A lot of twists that I seriously didn't expect and enjoyed the scenes between Paul and Madeline. Bennett's introduction was awesome too, Summer rocked it.
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Post by VampSlayer on Dec 4, 2009 22:25:12 GMT -5
This episode, as well as The Left Hand, was amazing. When it showed Daniel come into view with a bloody nose, I totally lost it! My mouth dropped, I started going, "OMG. OMG. OMG. Insane!" I was so shocked. The overall plan for the Dollhouse was pretty clever. I was also shocked at what Daniel did at the end of The Left Hand. Bennett was so cute, and evil. I love her! She and Topher were so cute together! I knew there was going to be something between them! I was grinning so much when it showed them both nervous about meeting the other. In the end, Bennett is too insane for Topher, and that's saying something. (Must add, I loved Bennett's computer, made for only her right hand.) Adelle kicked some ass, standing her ground. She must have a good grip... lmao. Omg, Im so shocked at how well Victor(Sorry, too much in awe to remember actor names!) did at acting out Topher! He even sounded like him, and everything! It was so amazing! ... Poor Mellie; Yes, I shall call her Mellie. I take it she got sent to the attic? D: I'm still wondering about Bennett/Caroline's past. They were best friends, and Bennett lost the use of her left arm... And Caroline left her in trouble... Okay? The flashback didn't really show me what happened, I don't think. Maybe they'll explain it some more soon, when Bennett returns? Woot! Another Claire mention! I'm pretty sure they've talked about her in every episode, since she left. Well, not in Public Eye, but they did in the second parter. It's like Claire almost isn't gone... Almost. She's had a play, even though she's gone! It just goes to show how important she is. No Sierra? Hm. I guess she had her moment in Belonging. Im excited to see Echo/Paul team up, like it showed in the promo. And, yay, for Alpha. The proma for next week looked amazing. I really was left feeling sad after this went off; Seeing how much better the show is getting, and it's slowly nearing its final date. One thing is for sure, this season has been 100% at its best. BTW I also loved, "You just woke up a lot of people. And they all think you're a bitch!" I think that's how the line went.
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Post by theend on Dec 5, 2009 8:10:28 GMT -5
I loved it The Daniel reveal was like ohmigod! Did anyone see that coming?! I really don't like Bennett - I was like poor Echo!!
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Post by wenxina on Dec 5, 2009 19:42:43 GMT -5
The story of the incident in their past reminded me a lot of the one between Lara Croft and her former friend/now arch-enemy Amanda Evert, in the Tomb Raider games. Amanda kinda came around at the end of Tomb Raider: Underworld. Well, that and the betrayal was real in the case of Caroline, and not so in the case of Lara. Poor Madeline, back into dollhood for a much less kind Dollhouse. But... remember that Topher has the ability to remotely re-program Actives that he has the brain scan of, and he has Madeline's brain scan. The DC Dollhouse may have only succeeded in creating a sleeper against themselves. That may be so... but it's also possible that Madeline was being sent to the Attic. Wondering where the hell Ballard went... Overall, I thought this was a great episode. The Perrin reveal was unexpected... well-played editors. Especially for misleading the audience from the previews that the wife was an Active. Really liked that the pace never let up here... I guess it kinda parallels the real-world sitch... need to wrap this all up before the end. Hmmm... if Bree wasn't lying, I guess that makes Alyson Hannigan a very lucky woman? On a more serious note, once the show wraps up, the writers can truck on over to write for V instead... perhaps they can teach that show a thing or two about throwing in a real surprise.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Dec 5, 2009 23:03:02 GMT -5
The story of the incident in their past reminded me a lot of the one between Lara Croft and her former friend/now arch-enemy Amanda Evert, in the Tomb Raider games. Amanda kinda came around at the end of Tomb Raider: Underworld. Well, that and the betrayal was real in the case of Caroline, and not so in the case of Lara. Well, came around in the sense of not killing Lara. But yeah, Lara was a lot less cold-hearted about abandoning her friend than Caroline was. I wonder if that incident involving Caroline and Bennett was the one that got Caroline sent to the Dollhouse. I always thought it was because of the botched raid on the animal testing lab, but that was never specifically said IIRC. That may be so... but it's also possible that Madeline was being sent to the Attic. Wondering where the hell Ballard went... Giving her the freedom to make mistakes, as she asked him to. On a more serious note, once the show wraps up, the writers can truck on over to write for V instead... perhaps they can teach that show a thing or two about throwing in a real surprise. Or any kind of interesting dialog or distinctive characters...
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Post by wenxina on Dec 5, 2009 23:09:08 GMT -5
Giving her the freedom to make mistakes, as she asked him to. Yeah, but what about after the fact? Did he just go home for a day or two?
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Post by henzINNIT on Dec 6, 2009 7:51:13 GMT -5
He probably just got a tub of ben and jerry's and sat on the beach with it.
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Post by wytchcroft on Dec 6, 2009 18:13:00 GMT -5
It was SOOO strong, both eps in fact - and a measure of the more assured writing is that despite a hectic 'action' plot, with info and a ton of twisty, still everyone (actors and characters) got moments that were just FTW. Serious kudos all round.
I dunno if we're getting more Bennett or Perrin, but i sure hope so.
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Post by PJ on Dec 9, 2009 6:36:03 GMT -5
When it showed Daniel come into view with a bloody nose, I totally lost it! My mouth dropped, I started going, "OMG. OMG. OMG. Insane!" I was so shocked. my thoughts exactly! ;D i loved both of these episodes! i just watched them on hulu last night and i loved all the twists and turns! Summer was amazing as always! And everything was falling into place. Also i loved the part with Echo in the fight with Daniel's Handler, i was really well edited with the memories of Echo's past fights!
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Dec 10, 2009 8:22:44 GMT -5
Okay, so did anyone else wanna vomit when Daniel woke up and was apparently raped? Or was the rape suppose to be fake, since Bree said that she had sent the good stuff, which means that the rape might have been fake? What was Adelle's plan, what would be worth making Daniel thinking he was raped, how would that work with their plan?
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Post by wytchcroft on Dec 11, 2009 2:09:08 GMT -5
Okay, so did anyone else wanna vomit when Daniel woke up and was apparently raped? Or was the rape suppose to be fake, since Bree said that she had sent the good stuff, which means that the rape might have been fake? What was Adelle's plan, what would be worth making Daniel thinking he was raped, how would that work with their plan? Eh? Obviously he was set up to be photographed having an apparently sexy time with a woman not his wife for blackmail purposes (to prevent him testifying). Actual rape? Not necessary, not Adelle's style and a lot more illegal. Considering the strong effects of the drug it's more than likely that the whole thing was a bluff anyway.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Dec 11, 2009 3:22:16 GMT -5
That's all it was, a way to stop him testifying? I guess I assumed it had something to do with trying to stop Cindy from killing Madeleine.
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Post by wytchcroft on Feb 22, 2010 15:36:03 GMT -5
just re-watched this - oh it's so good.
this time around i could focus a little away from the main threads (well, when i wasn't STILL going "Woooah...!") and the Ballard/Madeline scenes were so touching, the guy is just... hapless. the 'white eyes' in the flashback are doubly eerie now.
and yeah, in amongst everything else, major moral gray with the use of Bree.
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Post by joxerlives on Nov 14, 2010 8:40:18 GMT -5
THE PUBLIC EYE
The good; Laugh out loud at the scene where Topher tries out his disruptor only to knock out a random passing doll, sending them tumbling down the stairs. The conspiracy storyline really kicks in and lovely to see Mellie back once again. Masterful bait and switch that Perrin is the doll and his wife is the handler, she seems so threatening to Ballard even when she's a tiny little woman and he's this ripped martial arts expert. .
The bad; Not much, heck of a good ep. One question, if Perrin is so security conscious how do they dope his drink?
Best line; Adele; "An emergency measure for when things get hot" Ballard; "I'd say things are warmish" plus Ballard; (pointing to Topher's gizmo) "What is that?" Topher; (nervously) "It's the thing that if it doesn't work won't get me in trouble" and Perrin; "You're a doll" Echo/Bree; "You're cute too" also Echo/Bree; "If you want to do the right thing don't bring your hooker mistress to meet your wife" not to mention; Cindy Perrin; "If this plan doesn't work we're going to be demoted to being dead"
Packing heat; Echo;8 Boyd; 8 Dominic; 9 Sierra; 4 Victor; 3 Ballard; 10 November; 1
Echo kissage; 4
Kinky dinky; Echo in hookerwear and almost naked Senator Perrin for the Alexis fans. Echo/Bree enjoys it 'a little rough' and whilst she considers Perrin twisted she 'likes that a lot'.
Capt subtext; Echo/Bree is into the idea of threesomes with the Senator and his wife but charges extra for them. Washington Doll 'Hades' is out servicing a 'closeted' councilman.
Notches on the Dollhouse bedpost; Echo/Bree and Perrin Echo; 5 definite, 2 possible November; 1 Ballard; 1 Victor; 1 Adele; 1 Sierra 1 Topher; 1 possible
How'd they get away with that? Bennet tortures Echo very nastily indeed.
This weeks fantasy; Echo is an extremely kinky but very likeable nympho callgirl Bree.
What do we think of the client? Adele's plan for Perrin is rather underhand, seducing and blackmailing him. But compared to robbing him of his free will and brainwashing him into their slave it's pretty minor.
Total number personalitites; Echo is call girl Bree Echo; 29 Sierra; 12 Victor; 10 November; 3
Total dolls; we meet the petite and lovely Kilo 9-Echo, Sierra, November, Victor, Mike, Tango, Alpha, Whiskey, Kilo
Topher is a bit geeky; He refer to disruptors and Star Trek (weapons that the Romulans use, right?)
Bondage; Echo/Bree offers to tie Senator Perrin up. She is tied up by Bennet at the end Sierra tied up; 1 Ballard; 1 Echo; 1
Knocked out; Echo twice by Topher's gadget Echo; 4 November; 1 Sierra; 1 Victor; 1 Topher; 2
Kills; Sierra; 3 kills Echo; 3 November;1
Dolls injured; Poor Echo get's pistol-whipped then brutally tortured by Bennet.
Happy hookers; Echo is imprinted as call girl Bree, a very happy hooker who wanted to be a dancer but found escort work more lucrative and likes what she does.
Know the face? It's hot in here, it must be summer! Summer Glau, another hattrick. Also Maurissa Tanchon who in addition to being a Dollhouse writer featured on Dr Horrible 14-Whedon alumni-Mark Shepherd-2 (Dollhouse/Firefly), Amy Acker-2 (Dollhouse/Angel), walking action figure-2 (Buffy/Dollhouse), Eliza Dushku-3 (Buffy/Angel/Dollhouse), Jim Piddock-2 (Angel/Dollhouse), Gregg Henry-2 (Dollhouse/Firefly), Alan Tudyk-2 (Dollhouse/Firefly), Felicia Day-2(Dollhouse/Buffy), Alexis Denisoff-3 (Buffy, Angel and Dollhouse), Kristoffer Pohala-2 (Dollhouse/Angel), Stacey Scowley-2 (Buffy/Dollhouse) Clyde Katulas-2 (Buffy/Dollhouse), Maurissa Tanchon-2(Dollhouse/Dr Horrible), Summer Glau-3(Angel/Firefly/Dollhouse).
Whedon cliches; Characters with just one arm (like Lindsey in Angel). Rich and powerful famillies who cover up the evil deeds of their wayward sons. Top security installations which aren't secure at all. Loving self-sacrificing mothers who risk all for their children.
Breaking the programming; Echo can now refuse the offer of a treatment and is aware of her past personalities even when imprinted. She speaks of being able to see the patterns of her past imprints as though they are 'seams'
Questions and observations; Perrin is an interesting comparison to George W Bush who also came from an influential political family, also went to Yale and was also a drunken wastrel well into his thirties. He got religion whilst Perrin got 'dolled'. Did you notice Bennett's computer keyboard adapted for a user with only one hand? Or the statue of Romulus and Remus (the she-wolf suckling the human infants) in her bookcase. She also get's rid of everyone else before torturing Echo BUT she refers to her as Caroline. So we have history here? No Victor or Sierra at all this ep. So the DC Dollhouse names it's actives after Greek mythological characters? Love to see Hercules, Appollo etc and especially Xena and Callisto. Central point here is that Perrin might have been wasting his life but it was his life to waste, once again as we saw with Sierra in Belonging, Rossum are quite prepared to take away people's freedom and exploit them if it suits their purposes, slaverly plain and simple. Marks out of 10; 8/10, very good stuff
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Post by henzINNIT on Nov 14, 2010 12:23:35 GMT -5
Okay, so did anyone else wanna vomit when Daniel woke up and was apparently raped? Or was the rape suppose to be fake, since Bree said that she had sent the good stuff, which means that the rape might have been fake? What was Adelle's plan, what would be worth making Daniel thinking he was raped, how would that work with their plan? I'm not sure it's possible that a straight man can be raped by Eliza Dushku
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Post by joxerlives on Nov 15, 2010 15:31:58 GMT -5
Okay, so did anyone else wanna vomit when Daniel woke up and was apparently raped? Or was the rape suppose to be fake, since Bree said that she had sent the good stuff, which means that the rape might have been fake? What was Adelle's plan, what would be worth making Daniel thinking he was raped, how would that work with their plan? I'm not sure it's possible that a straight man can be raped by Eliza Dushku Hell of a good point and something I must admit I never considered. I think given Adele's condemnation of Kinnard and Hearne I would suspect they faked it, just Echo/Bree writhing around on him in lingerie If not then this is the 2nd time ED has played a female rapist (in a manner of speaking) because Faith-as-Buffy also raped Riley
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