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Post by angeliclestat on Aug 19, 2009 13:04:58 GMT -5
Does anyone think that poor Fred's parents might actually find out about her death in this mini? It was horrible that they have not been let know yet. As painful as it is should they be given that right?
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Post by Paul on Aug 19, 2009 15:12:17 GMT -5
This was always something that sat a little uncomfortably with me in the TV show. Hopefully they'll find out and we'll get some resolution to it in Only Human.
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Post by BlueJay on Aug 23, 2009 21:38:48 GMT -5
I would want my parents to know that I'm dead rather than give their love to my murderer.
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Post by VampSlayer on Aug 29, 2009 22:57:58 GMT -5
I would want my parents to know that I'm dead rather than give their love to my murderer. I get overly mad when people say Illyria murdered poor Fredikins. In a way she did, but 'she' didn't choose to kill her. I blame it on Knox!  |
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Post by The Night Lord on Aug 30, 2009 0:27:21 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree on that. It wasn't Illyria's choice to kill Fred. In a way, she was forced upon Fred. Evil Knox! But I think Fred parents should know. Besides, wouldn't it be funny to see Illyria 'have parents'?
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Post by Wyndam on Aug 30, 2009 1:28:44 GMT -5
Illyria was the bullet that killed Fred. Knox, Dr. Sparrow and even Gunn were the handgun that fired the bullet.
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Post by kaleidoscope on Aug 30, 2009 3:13:28 GMT -5
Does anyone think that poor Fred's parents might actually find out about her death in this mini? It was horrible that they have not been let know yet. As painful as it is should they be given that right? I think they should have the right, but on the other hand, the truth is so awful - Their daughter's body is being used as a host by an ancient powerful God and her soul has been obliterated so that there is no hope for any afterlife. This might be too terrible for anyone to know, but what is the alternative ? What will Illyria and Gunn think is right ? |
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Post by Hallow Thorn on Sept 1, 2009 18:08:34 GMT -5
Yes, I think they should know, but they don't need to know about her soul, I don't think anyone really knows about her soul anyway. Maybe TPTB know and could clear some things up??? they seem more involved since Aftermath, and Fred being a team player in helping saving the world and being a close friend of both Angel and Cordelia??? but that would just be to easy storyline. Willow could try and contact the spirits of the afterlife or something like when Tara died. Anyway, yes they should know.
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Post by thevampirewithsoul on Sept 12, 2009 15:55:05 GMT -5
I have a feel that subconsciousy Fred's parents know that she's dead.
In the "Girl in Question", as Fred's parents were leaving Fred's mom said something along the lines of missing Fred ever though they had not left yet.
And earlier in the episode she said something seemed different about Fred.
So ever though they don't know there daughters dead, a small part of them knows.
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Post by patxshand on Sept 12, 2009 19:47:05 GMT -5
No way Fred's soul is gone. "Warm breeze."
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Post by Emmie on Sept 12, 2009 20:50:30 GMT -5
No way Fred's soul is gone. "Warm breeze." You know, I used to think so, too. Not because of After the Fall, but because I believe that it was left open enough for interpretation. But I recently watched Joss' speech at Harvard where he got an award for humanism. And he said that the whole point was that Fred's soul was completely destroyed and he was surprised at the backlash and how hard it hit people. But that was the story. Fred's soul was gone. And well, that was his episode. He wrote "A Hole in the World". I know in a lot of ways, it's not really fair playing the Whedon card. But when he wrote the episode and conceived of the Illyria's character completely, well, I'm going to take Whedon's intended meaning. I don't want to take it, mind you. I was arguing against Fred's soul being destroyed months ago and even have a banner that has Wes and Fred on it saying "Together in Heaven". But...yeah. And just to put it out there, "warm breeze" is only proof of Cordelia (though it could just be his imagination) wanting to comfort Angel. It doesn't necessarily mean that he's wrong. She just wants to give him comfort. I guess you can say that Lynch maybe retconned it. But again, Cordy is saying that Fred's soul is out there. All it does is leave the audience with a crumb of hope. So you can take your right as the viewer and your interpretation and run with it. |
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Post by kaleidoscope on Sept 13, 2009 3:26:59 GMT -5
No way Fred's soul is gone. "Warm breeze." You know, I used to think so, too. Not because of After the Fall, but because I believe that it was left open enough for interpretation. But I recently watched Joss' speech at Harvard where he got an award for humanism. And he said that the whole point was that Fred's soul was completely destroyed and he was surprised at the backlash and how hard it hit people. But that was the story. Fred's soul was gone. And well, that was his episode. He wrote "A Hole in the World". I know in a lot of ways, it's not really fair playing the Whedon card. But when he wrote the episode and conceived of the Illyria's character completely, well, I'm going to take Whedon's intended meaning. I don't want to take it, mind you. I was arguing against Fred's soul being destroyed months ago and even have a banner that has Wes and Fred on it saying "Together in Heaven". But...yeah. And just to put it out there, "warm breeze" is only proof of Cordelia (though it could just be his imagination) wanting to comfort Angel. It doesn't necessarily mean that he's wrong. She just wants to give him comfort. I guess you can say that Lynch maybe retconned it. But again, Cordy is saying that Fred's soul is out there. All it does is leave the audience with a crumb of hope. So you can take your right as the viewer and your interpretation and run with it. Thanks for the extra info, Emmie - It's strange that Joss was surprised that viewers took the destruction of Fred's soul so hard. I know that Fred is only a fictional character, but for me, this was taking the story a step too far and was something I found very uncomfortable and upsetting. I thought at the time that Joss and the writers had done it this way so that they could better explore how much memories influence a person with Illyria inheriting Fred's, something that they'd already touched on with the Vampires. No-one could say that maybe a fragment of Fred's soul had survived and was doing the influencing. I'm glad that Brian tried to give us a little comfort and has softened the blow, but it's something that still upsets me after all this time. |
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Post by Malsad on Sept 14, 2009 21:04:21 GMT -5
Illyria was the bullet that killed Fred. Knox, Dr. Sparrow and even Gunn were the handgun that fired the bullet. No Gunn was just the fireing pin  |
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