patxshand
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Post by patxshand on Dec 8, 2010 8:26:46 GMT -5
Because they said they would. DarkHorse did IDW a kindness by pretty much stating that #39 and after would be canon and the Spike and Illyria series would be canon. Hah! That's not a kindness. IDW doesn't care about canon. It's insulting to assume the sole purpose of their story should be to build up to a story that another company started almost four years ago. They have their own story to tell, and they should--and will--be able to tell it how they'd like. What does "important" mean here? I'm guessing it means "relevant to Season Eight." Who says that anything is non-canon? Last I heard, when some Dark Horse person posted that nothing IDW did after #17 and before #39 was canon... Scott Allie jumped in really quick and said that isn't Dark Horse's stance at all. There is no official word. There doesn't need to be. It's IDW's story, and to think they should just throw away years of story to service the Buffy arc is really off. Well, yeah. Because Joss is working hand-in-hand with them on Buffy. Because more people know the Buffy comic. I think it's pretty apparent that quality has nothing to do with it. The Angel series has been excellent since #36 when Mariah and David took over. Maybe. Not me. Not a lot of the readers I know.
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Post by Paul on Dec 8, 2010 9:48:59 GMT -5
I mostly agree with Pat here. IDW never said that this arc would show how Angel became Twilight. It's not some kind of prequel miniseries, Angel: The Road to Twilight. It's the concluding arc of an ongoing series, and IDW have the right to wrap up the stories they've been telling for the last few years. It's good that they're taking S8 into consideration and making sure the continuity makes sense, but that's not what this particular story is about.
As far as canon goes, it's ridiculous to expect IDW to ignore their own stories and characters, such as James, just because you don't consider them canon. Again, this isn't some self-contained mini series, it's an ongoing which James is already a part of. It would be terrible if he just disappeared without explanation. Canon or not, IDW should respect their own continuity as much as S8's, which they are.
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Post by beeemkcl on Dec 9, 2010 1:45:11 GMT -5
My feeling on the whole canon thing is that a big deal was made between the companies so that stuff from #39 after would tie-in to Season 8 and that Spike was going to be labeled canon.
If this actually wasn't going to happen, they shouldn't have come out and said it was.
I'm a businessman and to me pretty much at least a verbal contract was made to do this.
Instead, things are a mess.
As for Spike , I was hoping for great things since Spike: Asylum was so great and that Angel movie comic read like a well-written blockbuster movie. Spike -- I haven't read #3 yet -- hasn't been anywhere near that level of quality.
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Post by patxshand on Dec 9, 2010 8:23:47 GMT -5
Instead, things are a mess. ...Only one issue of the final arc has been released so far. I think you might've missed the point of that book.
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Post by Paul on Dec 9, 2010 12:46:06 GMT -5
My feeling on the whole canon thing is that a big deal was made between the companies so that stuff from #39 after would tie-in to Season 8 and that Spike was going to be labeled canon. If this actually wasn't going to happen, they shouldn't have come out and said it was. I'm a businessman and to me pretty much at least a verbal contract was made to do this. Instead, things are a mess. How exactly are things a mess? Because IDW aren't spoon-feeding you which stories to read and which to ignore? If you're such a business man, you should understand that it wouldn't be a good business move for IDW to explicitly disregard their own material that they are still profiting from. Canon is usually a vague topic in any franchise, open to interpretation by the readers. Where was this "verbal contract" you speak of? Yes, IDW have said there would some continuity with S8 - which is yet to happen - but I don't remember them ever promising to tell the "Angel becomes Twilight" story. That seems to have been your preconcieved expectation, and it's not IDW's fault that you want something completely different than what they're offering. IDW are gently handing the reigns over to Dark Horse, thats all; this story was never marketed as a full-fledged Season Eight prequel/spin-off. As as Pat said, you've only read one issue; any potential lead-in to S8 probably won't happen until the last issue.
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Post by angeliclestat on Dec 9, 2010 14:25:50 GMT -5
My feeling on the whole canon thing is that a big deal was made between the companies so that stuff from #39 after would tie-in to Season 8 and that Spike was going to be labeled canon. If this actually wasn't going to happen, they shouldn't have come out and said it was. Here is the link to the joint interview with Ryall and Allie www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=27967Some quotes So nowhere there did they say that IDW's last Angel arc would tell the Twilight story, or serve as a prequel to Season 8. IDW is going to finish its own story line, and there will be some links. Here is a Q&A that Ryall did which further deals with that: idwpublishing.com/news/article/1360/Really? You are going there....really? As you can see above there was no 'verbal contract' made. It was very clear. IDW finishing their storyline, but leaving the world in a way which 'jibes' with DH (I'm presuming killing off IDW original characters, and giving some hints towards Twilight). If you want Angel:The Road to Twilight - go ask DH. It's not IDW's job. If all you are looking for in the last Angel arc is which line of dialogue or panel is canon, then it's not going to be much of an enjoyable read is it? Are you going to get a big black marker and cancel out the parts of the book you consider not canon? You know that the point of the book was to show the exact opposite. It was what Angel:AtF would look like if done by a bad Hollywood blockbuster. .
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Post by beeemkcl on Dec 9, 2010 21:29:26 GMT -5
With the Angel movie comic, I was referring to the quality writing of the comic, not the content of the comic. I also happen to believe that Brian Lynch used it as a vehicle to show that he could write a Hollywood movie.
As for all this canon stuff and tie-in stuff, that was what they were saying when it was first announced. I didn’t read subsequent stuff that came out whenever.
And, yes, the canon label results in sales. IDW was even saying that the post-#17 stuff was canon because they know that ‘legitimacy’ leads to higher sales.
And, yes, for me it’s not worth it or as worth it to read stuff that may or may not be canon as it is to read stuff that’s established as canon. If only the last Issue of Angel is supposed to be at least somewhat canon, then that’s the only one I’ll pay attention to.
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Post by uncannyslayer on Dec 11, 2010 18:40:44 GMT -5
This is my first issue in a while, since I dropped the series after # 32, and I'm glad that I gave it another chance.
I really like the fact that the Conner and Gunn talk about their akward discussion during Willingham's run, and how they put the discussion to rest in order to move forward and focus on their mission. It also seems to be the writers' way of telling the audience to move on from complaining about Willingham's story and focus on ther new story instead.
I also liked the return of Wolfram & Hart, though it is too soon to tell, how I fell about Darrow and Medoza; they have a very odd look. James being a bad guy seems interesting and so does the futere timeline.
Well done!
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