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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Aug 20, 2010 8:19:39 GMT -5
Won't there be two books running per month? Maybe one is season 9, and the other is the Angel series? So no need for deciding on just one name?
I'm so cranky now, after thinking this through. But not because of Angel, because of Spike. I was looking forward to years and years of the Spike ongoing, and now it's turned into a mini series, and that might be it.
" The main thing is that IDW has to wrap up their stories"
That line bothers me. They have to wrap up their stories. Considering what people have been telling me about the main series (still haven't gotten the chance to read past issue 27), saying they have to wrap up their stories would be like having to wrap up BtVS season 6 before it's time, even tough it might, like season 6, has to be told completely to be appreciated. Maybe if IDW had been given a chance, they could have made the ongoing great, and this is just a rough patch.
I really hate that it seems like Darkhorse "stole" the story from IDW. I was much happier believing IDW choose it.
"Yes, but believe me, it sucks to have too many characters in a single book"
They should have thought about that before buying the license. I'm really starting to think that I jumped to conclusions when I thought "Hey, this must mean they're going to release lots of stories, and have many people working on this".
I wonder if the "I saw some posts on Slayalive, and I know everyone wants an absolutely mathematical answer" line could have something to do with my "I want to know what exactly is canon and what is not" rant, lol. Glad to know I don't have to put all of my thoughts in a fanmail for a chance of him reading them.
And oh, I would really have liked to listen in to the "refreshing" phone call between Ryall and Allie. Drama, drama, drama.
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Post by wenxina on Aug 20, 2010 8:29:45 GMT -5
There'll be at least two books per month, if all goes well. But that's in regards to "S9", under which the Angel book will reside. And hey, I won't discount the possibility of the SPIKE series continuing on over at Dark Horse. Afterall, I'd imagine that Spike be important enough to warrant his own series. The IDW run will probably deal with Spike's doings up to the "Twilight" arc, and if it does continue over at Dark Horse, it'll be post-S8.
As for not wanting too many characters on a particular book, I think you read it wrong the first time. All Scott is saying is that not all the characters will converge on a particular book all at once. With multiple titles running concurrently, there'll be no reason for them all to be focused on one book. We're going to be getting multiple titles running at the same time, which allows characters to be more spread out, hence avoiding the 10 characters in a room talking problem.
IDW will have to wrap up the stories they want to tell. They have until at least mid next year to finish up certain stories and wrap up some loose ends. As you said elsewhere, the Dark Horse stories probably won't rely too heavily on the IDW storylines. So, whatever important threads that IDW has going right now need to be wrapped up. In terms of arcs, the final arc begins in November, so that should bring us closer to how Angel became Twilight, and perhaps some other important character stuff for all the other characters too.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Aug 20, 2010 8:31:11 GMT -5
Won't there be two books running per month? Maybe one is season 9, and the other is the Angel series? So no need for deciding on just one name? It will all be under the Buffy banner, at least for now. I'm so cranky now, after thinking this through. But not because of Angel, because of Spike. I was looking forward to years and years of the Spike ongoing, and now it's turned into a mini series, and that might be it. It's a trade off between lots and lots of stories, and fewer stories but fully canonical, I guess. I really hate that it seems like Darkhorse "stole" the story from IDW. I was much happier believing IDW choose it. Purely a business transaction. I'm sure IDW wouldn't have chosen to give up the license. For my own opinion, I'd rather see Angel and Spike distilled down to one or two core canonical stories, rather than constant explosions of miniseries of greatly varying quality, like IDW had been doing. Some of them were very good, but we really didn't need the "Angel meets the Phantom of the Opera" kind of stuff they were doing.
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Post by hitnrun017 on Aug 20, 2010 11:14:57 GMT -5
I hope Dark Horse can make this work. Everything about Season 9 is sounding too grand, and they've had enough problems managing Season 8, even with Joss overseeing everything.
Just have to echo everyone's concerns about how the Angel characters will be used. The thought of possibly tying the stories from Season 8 together is pretty exciting (Connor?), and having characters we've never seen interact come together would be cool, but I don't want them to be used just to further Buffy's story. Give them their own problems and developments, just like the show.
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Post by riker on Aug 20, 2010 11:35:20 GMT -5
Since I'm a fan of interconnected universes, it'll be great to have some coherence between the Buffy and Angel books. I haven't really enjoyed the IDW series since Brian Lynch left (in fact, I dropped it due to lack of interest and Willingham's letter), but I'm very excited to pick up Dark Horse's new series.
Hopefully IDW comes out with a deluxe, oversized After the Fall collection similar to DC's Absolute books because I would love to own that.
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Post by Hellbound Hyperion on Aug 20, 2010 12:25:16 GMT -5
You mean the "Willingham ANGEL #28 problem"? The possibilities of a unified Buffyverse are staggering to me. Of course, we have to see how this Twilight mess plays out before we can have even an inkling at what the story will be like, but with no limitations on characters or references to events past, this may actually turn out to be pretty damn cool. And this is pure fantasizing, but Oz/Illyria? THERE'S a pairing to write about!
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Post by leyki on Aug 20, 2010 12:46:57 GMT -5
It's all business.
If Spike's book has good sales, they'll do it in DH as well.
If not, it will be just a mini series, and that's all.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Aug 20, 2010 12:58:48 GMT -5
It's all business. If Spike's book has good sales, they'll do it in DH as well. If not, it will be just a mini series, and that's all. That is very true. I guess I'd better buy all the Spike issue 1 covers, like I planned. And all the other covers. My wallet will hate me, and I still might not get another Spike series. Anyone know if the sales for Spike After the fall did well?
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Post by harmindervamp on Aug 20, 2010 14:42:36 GMT -5
Is it the character Angel returning to dark horse or the Angel team comics returning to Dark Horse?
Because I am DYING to see Dark Willow and Illyria to clash. Anybody else?
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Post by Paul on Aug 20, 2010 14:44:35 GMT -5
This is absolutely the best news to hit the Buffyverse in years. The divide between S8 and the Angel books has been painfully noticable for a long time now, never more so than when Twilight was unmasked. Now, at long last, we will have a unified, officially canon Buffyverse. Think early Marvel universe. This will be the Buffyverse. - Scott Allie Yes yes yes yes yes yes!!!!! As for people feeling sorry for IDW, I say it's a business so boo hoo. I care about the stories and the characters, not the companies behind them. IDW have given us some great stories (Lynch's Spike books, AtF, Blood & Trenches, Lorne) but their handling of the franchise as a whole was a bit clumsy. With Dark Horse managing the entire Buffyverse, and Joss as their guide, we should finally have the consistency and continuity this universe has lacked for years.
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Post by Wyndam on Aug 20, 2010 14:45:18 GMT -5
Is it the character Angel returning to dark horse or the Angel team comics returning to Dark Horse? Because I am DYING to see Dark Willow and Illyria to clash. Anybody else? Dark Horse is reacquiring the Angel rights back from IDW. That means they'll be allowed to release an actual series based on the show and all of its characters. Dark Horse was always allowed to use Angel himself, as he originally appeared on Buffy, but now everything related to his show has returned to Dark Horse.
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Post by riker on Aug 20, 2010 14:46:03 GMT -5
It's all business. If Spike's book has good sales, they'll do it in DH as well. If not, it will be just a mini series, and that's all. That is very true. I guess I'd better buy all the Spike issue 1 covers, like I planned. And all the other covers. My wallet will hate me, and I still might not get another Spike series. Anyone know if the sales for Spike After the fall did well? A much more cost-effective plan is to simply wait for the Spike series to be collected as a hardcover or paperback because the multiple covers will be collected with it.
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Post by VampSlayer on Aug 20, 2010 15:27:58 GMT -5
Just something that popped into my head:
IDW said that Lorne would be out of the 'Angel' stories temporarily. I wonder if he'll be coming back before the switch, or after? Maybe he'll be stuck in limbo for a while... *Sigh*
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Aug 20, 2010 16:02:11 GMT -5
That is very true. I guess I'd better buy all the Spike issue 1 covers, like I planned. And all the other covers. My wallet will hate me, and I still might not get another Spike series. Anyone know if the sales for Spike After the fall did well? A much more cost-effective plan is to simply wait for the Spike series to be collected as a hardcover or paperback because the multiple covers will be collected with it. It's not the covers I want, it's a new Spike series after Lynch's. So my post was about me feeling the need to show my support by buying all the covers.
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Post by Hellbound Hyperion on Aug 20, 2010 16:30:23 GMT -5
Just something that popped into my head: IDW said that Lorne would be out of the 'Angel' stories temporarily. I wonder if he'll be coming back before the switch, or after? Maybe he'll be stuck in limbo for a while... *Sigh* I imagine that decision will be back in Joss/Scott's hands if he doesn't come back by the end of IDW's run. It might be neat to have a mini-series for him.
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Post by Paul on Aug 20, 2010 16:34:57 GMT -5
Just something that popped into my head: IDW said that Lorne would be out of the 'Angel' stories temporarily. I wonder if he'll be coming back before the switch, or after? Maybe he'll be stuck in limbo for a while... *Sigh* I think the whole point of "Music of the Spheres" was to write Lorne into limbo for a while. I don't think there was ever any concrete plans to bring him back, and I'd kinda rather he stay gone for a couple years, if not permanently. Not because of Andy Hallett, just because "MotS" was such a satisfying goodbye to the character. I'd maybe like him to appear briefly in some kind of "higher being" role, Cordelia-style, down the line.
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Post by veiriti on Aug 20, 2010 16:51:24 GMT -5
It's all business. If Spike's book has good sales, they'll do it in DH as well. If not, it will be just a mini series, and that's all. That is very true. I guess I'd better buy all the Spike issue 1 covers, like I planned. And all the other covers. My wallet will hate me, and I still might not get another Spike series. Anyone know if the sales for Spike After the fall did well? Spike ATF made the New York Best Seller List # 7 bloglynch.blogspot.com/2009/03/spikeafter-fall-makes-new-york-times.htmlAnd I'm going to buy every single Spike's issue... But I'm not sure it would help... Allie will decide about Spike getting own outgoing monthly and I doubt that he will... Allie is not a fan of Spike, yeah he probably wouldn't kill Spike, but I have got the bad feeling about Spike's role in the DH comics - it would be minimized as it was in the old Buffy's DH comics... well maybe we will get Spike-One shot after years, if we're lucky...
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Post by Paul on Aug 20, 2010 17:07:18 GMT -5
That is very true. I guess I'd better buy all the Spike issue 1 covers, like I planned. And all the other covers. My wallet will hate me, and I still might not get another Spike series. Anyone know if the sales for Spike After the fall did well? Spike ATF made the New York Best Seller List # 7 bloglynch.blogspot.com/2009/03/spikeafter-fall-makes-new-york-times.htmlAnd I'm going to buy every single Spike's issue... But I'm not sure it would help... Allie will decide about Spike getting own outgoing monthly and I doubt that he will... Allie is not a fan of Spike, yeah he probably wouldn't kill Spike, but I have got the bad feeling about Spike's role in the DH comics - it would be minimized as it was in the old Buffy's DH comics... well maybe we will get Spike-One shot after years, if we're lucky... How was Spike's role in the original Dark Horse comic "minimized"? He had his own miniseries alongside Dru and appeared as a Scooby in the seasons 4-6 years. Honestly, this whole "Scott Allie hates Spike" thing seems like such an urban legend perpetuated by pissy Spike fans who think he should be the be-all-and-end-all of the Buffyverse. Anya had a pretty minimal role in the original DH comics, and has only been mentioned once in S8 (unlike Joyce and Tara, who have appeared and been referenced repeatedly). How come nobody is burning Allie at the stake for that?
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Aug 20, 2010 17:56:51 GMT -5
That is very true. I guess I'd better buy all the Spike issue 1 covers, like I planned. And all the other covers. My wallet will hate me, and I still might not get another Spike series. Anyone know if the sales for Spike After the fall did well? Spike ATF made the New York Best Seller List # 7 bloglynch.blogspot.com/2009/03/spikeafter-fall-makes-new-york-times.htmlThanks for finding that. I guess that means I can save up for original art instead. Him being a fan of Spike or not doesn't necassarily have anything to do with his sense for business (and I have yet to see any evidence that he dislikes Spike). And I seriously doubt Scott has any say in who dies or doesn't. Just something that popped into my head: IDW said that Lorne would be out of the 'Angel' stories temporarily. I wonder if he'll be coming back before the switch, or after? Maybe he'll be stuck in limbo for a while... *Sigh* I imagine that decision will be back in Joss/Scott's hands if he doesn't come back by the end of IDW's run. It might be neat to have a mini-series for him. About this, have Lorne been mentioned since then? I'm behind on my comics, and even tough I do realize the special was a tribute, I hate the ending. I know it's written out of character on purpose, which is fine for that comic, but it would annoy me so much if there's no mention after that comic of Angel trying to find out if Lorne's okay or not. Just one mention would be enough. It's starting to bother me just as much as the lack of grieveing for Jesse and the lack of a mention of trying to find a solution to the loophole in Angel's curse. It needs to be mentioned, dammit!
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Post by henzINNIT on Aug 20, 2010 18:32:46 GMT -5
Didn't like reading the articles. This isn't a heroic effort to bring unity to the 'verse - that could have happened easily between the two companies - it's just Dark Horse getting back custody of their lesser child (for better or worse).
All of my favourite comics came from IDW, so it's a shame to see that end. Everything tied into eachother is a double-edged sword. Season 8 sucks balls, it's out of my mind now and if everything ties to that...then I'm out as far as comics go.
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