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Post by SlayerLV on Mar 10, 2008 23:06:50 GMT -5
Thanks for posting that. Anyaways I can't wait to see what Drac has to do with all of this, I love how Renee was the "babysitter" for the second time they were out.
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Post by barryshaft on Mar 10, 2008 23:12:21 GMT -5
Hey all, I was late reading the issue due to flu (though I stumbled onto the boards and intending to not spoil myself saw the thread Issue 12: Buffy and Satsu... so you know damn me)
So first things first, definately a good issue. Was it amazing? No, not by any stretch, but it's definately a very solid, and quite frequently hilarious issue. I think because of the controversy people have been very quick to throw their hat to one side of the fence so the issue is either "The worst ever" or "The best ever", I myself found it to be neither. But I still really dug it. Goddard is a great writer (I'm not a huge fan of "Selfless", but his last couple Buffy episodes were awesome and his Angel episodes were among the best of Season 5) and he definately gets the flow of the dialogue from these characters very well (though not quite to Vaughn's level, who I still find captured them best so far this season) and more to that he gets them.
I'll not really go far into the Buffy/Satsu Good/Bad thing because it's honestly been done to death. All I'll say is... from Buffy's point of view it makes complete sense and that's all I really need from plot progression, that it stays true to the character.
I absolutely loved revealing it lightly and humourously as well as managing to include as much honesty as is possible in this situation. We don't really know what's going on in Buffy's head, but we're getting a good idea of it almost simultaenously as she herself is understanding it. Is she using Satsu? Not necessarily, but she thinks she might be. It's pretty on cue with how Buffy has always been, she leaps headfirst into an emotional situation and deals with the fallout. She's not so much considering what the other person is feeling as that's never really been her. It's a flaw to be sure, but it's a pretty damned relatable one. Where this story will be interesting is that she is essentially once again "using" someone to feel, but this is someone she actually does feel kindred with and someone she likes (Sorry Spuffy shippers, she hated Spike when they started, it's pretty hard to view it differently... the emotions came much later)... so how will this effect the outcome? (probably with a very short lifespan for Satsu unfortunately).
As for the rest of the issue, funny stuff, Andrew made me laugh (as he's managing to do a lot in the comics despite my not liking his character before), the new vamps intrigued me...especially since it's finally going further with the "How could Dracula do all those things" despite no other vamps having powers... clearly he, and they, are another breed allogether. Hmm what else, Xander and Renee are dating and while getting probably 60% of the issue devoted to their story... it's definately on the backburner at the moment. Though that's not necessarily a bad thing, Renee and Xander aren't interesting as much as they are necessary. Xander is, at the moment, the mature one of the group, he deserves a little happiness and stability (ok, they all do, but you know what I mean). He can't just be Buffy's shoulder to bitch on.
Willow is back with the Scoobies (once again she's Kennedy-lite) and clearly she arrived at just the right moment...well...no not really. So we all thought she was gonna get kidnapped, thankfully not the case but it's probably worse for her. From her brief reactions she seems not at all ok with this development between Buffy and Satsu. I don't think we'll be getting a hidden Buffy crush confession from Willow, she seems pretty betrayed by Buffy's newfound attraction and I think it will be pretty interesting to see exactly what way it'll play out. Clearly this is one more wedge in the Buffy/Willow relationship and it's not looking good for those two.
Ok wow guys, sorry I went on so long. Summing things up, people are pretty vocal about not liking this Buffy/Satsu thing (of course the supporters are vocal as well) and a lot of them have been similar names to those complaining about the seasons lack of focus and development...Clearly this issue was one of the most developing issues we've had yet so even if you don't like the Buffy/Satsu connection, stick around it's clearly starting to build momentum on all fronts.
And on a final note, Xander has depth perception. Seeing 3-D images (with glasses, which those with monocular vision cannot) is completely different then being able to see three dimensions. You don't need two eyes to gage distances or depth. He's just cracking wise and mocking his handicap, which is just his thing, I wouldn't read so much into it.
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Post by maverickmadge on Mar 11, 2008 13:52:07 GMT -5
I just read the issue today and I absolutely loved it. I think it's one of the best issues so far. I have no problem what so ever with Buffy and Satsu hooking up and I believe it isn't out of character for Buffy because she's kinda impulsive with sexual hookups e.g. Spike. I love that she's experimenting and I believe you are never to old to do so. I also agree with almost all of the things that Mikey said about Buffy's possible 10% bi-sexual orientation, I don't think she is using Satsu because if she was she would have just let her walk out and not told her to stay till morning. I don't think it would turn into a romantic relationship but maybe a close friendship. Anyways I can't wait to see what more Willow thinks of the situation. OMG I'm so with you man! One of the best issues by far!! It's like watching the show again. When they started out with the comic I wa confused about some things now, it's like I'm watching an episode again, I love it! and I like how they're bringing back OZ OMG, its so works for this storyline! Ya I also could not stop laughing this issue with all of them like coming into Buffy's room and wondering what the hell is going on, LOVE IT! The relationships on this are playing out very well too. I have absolutley no problem with Buffy and Satsu hooking up either. To be honest at first I was like OMG what are they doing, then I thought wait a minute Buffy hasn't got any for like a year now and most of her relationships with guys have been just trainwrecks. So I'm glad that they are exploring this with Buffy, it makes sense to me now. As for Andrew they just need to OUT him already, GRRR
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Post by andrewdageek on Mar 13, 2008 2:11:58 GMT -5
Hi all New here.. Anyways just finished 8/12 and my inital opinion is Ughh.. i have loved all the comics so far but i think they need to try to move away from the homo erotic stuff, there is a point when you have to say Overkill on the Lesbian theme, Kenedy is gay, Willow is Gay now Buffy is also gay ? whats next Xander and Giles ? Or are they trying to say the only way a woman can be strong and aggressive is if she is gay ?
Aside from that my spidey senses feel bad things brewing in this new Relationship with Buffy, My money is on that it will not last till the 3rd book in season 9, will be lucky if her new love interest isn't killed off by end of 8 ( I know im just a kill joy am i not LOL ) and how long can they keep Giant Dawn going ? shes got to be burning thru most of the food in area by now LOL.. to say the least though my copy of 8/12 went into the recycle pile once finished, Overall i give it a Thumbs Down.. Sorry
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Post by Rachster on Mar 13, 2008 2:14:28 GMT -5
Hi all New here.. Anyways just finished 8/12 and my inital opinion is Ughh.. i have loved all the comics so far but i think they need to try to move away from the homo erotic stuff, there is a point when you have to say Overkill on the Lesbian theme, Kenedy is gay, Willow is Gay now Buffy is also gay ? whats next Xander and Giles ? Or are they trying to say the only way a woman can be strong and aggressive is if she is gay ? Aside from that my spidey senses feel bad things brewing in this new Relationship with Buffy, My money is on that it will not last till the 3rd book in season 9, will be lucky if her new love interest isn't killed off by end of 8 ( I know im just a kill joy am i not LOL ) and how long can they keep Giant Dawn going ? shes got to be burning thru most of the food in area by now LOL.. to say the least though my copy of 8/12 went into the recycle pile once finished, Overall i give it a Thumbs Down.. Sorry hi welcome to the site and buffs not gay joss whedon has said that himself im pretty sure it was a 1 time thing
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Post by sosa lola on Mar 13, 2008 8:14:29 GMT -5
I liked the issue, it was the funniest yet. My favorite parts are the Xander ones, love me some Xander/Drac slash, even though this girl will always be a Spander at heart.
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Post by flake on Mar 13, 2008 12:21:54 GMT -5
I liked that issue a lot. Mainly because it brought the screwball back. So far S8 was missing a snarky character like Cordy or Spike. If they'll work together with Dracula, he might fill this gap. Plus Xacula is made of brilliance.
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Post by xmadxscientistx on Mar 13, 2008 13:05:02 GMT -5
Woot! Let's start a Xacula club!
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Post by hitnrun017 on Mar 13, 2008 13:32:47 GMT -5
I just re-read this issue..... again, and near the end, during the big group meeting, look at Satsu's face. In the panel with Leah and Rowena, she looks like she wants to kill someone, Buffy?! Also, when Willow says "Nothing seems to make sense tonight", Satsu has her head down with a sad look on her face.
Interesting.
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Post by spuffy4ever on Mar 17, 2008 23:35:33 GMT -5
I'm with Xander on this one-"Oh Merciful Zeus!" I do think this is out of character for Buffy, but I'm not going to wig out (OK-I did at first). I am sure Drew and Joss know what they are doing and I will keep reading. The story of the vampires/wolves/panthers stealing the scythe and Dracula at the end with Xander calling him Master-fantastic! Off topic a little-does anybody on here live in Cal. and have tickets to the Buffy reunion at the PaleyFest? I can't wait to see a transcript of this! Wish I could be there!
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Post by Melissa on Mar 20, 2008 1:27:35 GMT -5
Dander and Xacula are too awesome. Haha. Love them! Its obvious that they both have warm fuzzy feelings for each other.
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Post by buffysmglover on Mar 22, 2008 22:33:50 GMT -5
I think Xander seemed scared of Drac. Like "oh God, not this again"
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Post by SlayerLV on Mar 23, 2008 0:10:19 GMT -5
I think he just doesn't want to be Drac's butt monkey again.
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Post by Joe on Mar 29, 2008 21:31:03 GMT -5
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Post by hitnrun017 on Mar 29, 2008 23:33:18 GMT -5
That was pretty cool! Great job!
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Post by buffysmglover on Mar 30, 2008 0:00:15 GMT -5
That was entertaining! LOL. Very good!
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Post by postitnote on Mar 30, 2008 1:46:34 GMT -5
Oh...I love those. You do such a fun job on them.
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Post by Joe on Mar 30, 2008 10:23:52 GMT -5
thanks guys, I had a great time making them. And all the comments have been positive. I already have over 100 subscribers, and about 50 views a day.. I have made all the Buffy Season 8, and After the Fall Issues to date.
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Post by kershmuckit on Mar 31, 2008 21:08:09 GMT -5
Ahhhhh 1 day left till b-day.
I think i am actually gonna save myself from spoillers for this issue.
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Post by xmadxscientistx on Apr 1, 2008 11:07:29 GMT -5
Happy Birthday! Mine's on Friday.
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