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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Apr 22, 2008 3:38:31 GMT -5
Is the snake-vision in Anywhere But Here from the past or the future?
I believe that it hasn't happened yet, but that Willow has meet the snake-goddess before, due to the fact that after seeing that vision, Willow says:
"I was never naughty here. I don't even.. Robin, has this happened yet?"
'I don't even remember' is probably what Willow wanted to say, and when she asks Robin if it has happened, perhaps she thought that the snake has thralled her(icky-rape thoughts entering my mind).
But perhaps the "I was never naughty here"-line was refering to another vision.
I believe that it might happen. Although now when Willow knows, perhaps she can change and do it different. Maybe with clothes on.
What do you guys think? Is she cheating or was it a fake vision, made up to scare her? Or something else?
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Apr 22, 2008 4:41:26 GMT -5
Oh, I thought it was moved to Wolves at the gate.
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Post by Rowan Hawthorn on Apr 22, 2008 6:31:11 GMT -5
Looking at the poll results, it's good to see we're all on the same page...
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Post by Rachster on Apr 22, 2008 6:36:01 GMT -5
I dont think its something that has happend yet but i think it will happen
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Post by hitnrun017 on Apr 22, 2008 10:38:43 GMT -5
I think it was made clear that it was a past thing.
We see Buffy robbing banks, which was in the past, and then we see Willow with the demon thing. BUT THEN, they go to the room where Buffy has been "betrayed". That's when Willow says "I was never naughty here. I don't even.. Robin, has this happened yet?", because Willow is looking at Buffy beaten on the ground.
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Post by Rebecca on Apr 22, 2008 11:44:49 GMT -5
Yes, in AWBH, Buffy was the only one surprised by that vision.
Side note: I think for future reference to that panel, it's important to note that the deamony thing showing these visions was meaning to expose deceit. He showed Buffy robbing the swiss bank and Willow making out with that snakey demon (who strangely looks like Rebecca Romijn).
Then as hitnrun017 said, Willow remarked time-confusion in the next room, where Buffy was shown betrayed.
Side note: A parallel I saw that I haven't seen posted yet is the body language and position "betrayed" Buffy is in. It may be coincidence, but look at the last panel in "The Chain" and the two look very similar, through the lens of different artists.
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Post by postitnote on Apr 22, 2008 11:53:50 GMT -5
Interesting...great parallel catch!! I'll have to look into that again...
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Post by barryshaft on Apr 22, 2008 13:13:00 GMT -5
Yeah, it was definately a vision of the past...and it was definately a little more then making out heh
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Apr 22, 2008 13:35:03 GMT -5
I think it was made clear that it was a past thing. We see Buffy robbing banks, which was in the past, and then we see Willow with the demon thing. BUT THEN, they go to the room where Buffy has been "betrayed". That's when Willow says "I was never naughty here. I don't even.. Robin, has this happened yet?", because Willow is looking at Buffy beaten on the ground. Oh, I don't see what you mean. "here" In "I was never naughty here" most mean whereever whe was in the vision. And when buffy's says: "More like 'where'. Will?" She asks Will where she and the snakewoman had been. And Willow sems to be confused, which convinced me that Willow also was confused by what they just seen. Why would Willow say that she was never naughty about the last Buffy-vision. It's not exactly how i would describe it if my friedn lay crying on the ground. It's more likely that the naught-comment was directed at the naughty vision. But i have to admit, it's hard to interpret.
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Post by hitnrun017 on Apr 22, 2008 13:41:55 GMT -5
I think it was made clear that it was a past thing. We see Buffy robbing banks, which was in the past, and then we see Willow with the demon thing. BUT THEN, they go to the room where Buffy has been "betrayed". That's when Willow says "I was never naughty here. I don't even.. Robin, has this happened yet?", because Willow is looking at Buffy beaten on the ground. Oh, I don't see what you mean. "here" In "I was never naughty here" most mean whereever whe was in the vision. And when buffy's says: "More like 'where'. Will?" She asks Will where she and the snakewoman had been. And Willow sems to be confused, which convinced me that Willow also was confused by what they just seen. Why would Willow say that she was never naughty about the last Buffy-vision. It's not exactly how i would describe it if my friedn lay crying on the ground. It's more likely that the naught-comment was directed at the naughty vision. But i have to admit, it's hard to interpret. After we see Willow with snake-lady, there is a whole part with Dawn and Xander, when we get back to Buffy and Willow, they are in an entirely different place. Robin appears and say's "How's it going?", that's when Buffy says "More like where" and then asks Willow, who responds "I was never naughty here." As soon as Robin appears, they are in the Buffy betrayal vision.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Apr 22, 2008 13:43:01 GMT -5
Yes, in AWBH, Buffy was the only one surprised by that vision. Then as hitnrun017 said, Willow remarked time-confusion in the next room, where Buffy was shown betrayed. As i said in the comment above, Willow seemed confused after seeing the snake-vision. I suppose how we interpret the scene depends on where we readers think that they are. i myself don't know why you guys think that they left the room where they saw the snake-vision. i think they stayed and that the "I was never naughty her. "-comment is a reaction to the snake-vision. Willow is surprised too. I could be wrong of course. Perhaps they left the room and Willow was talking about another vision(trying to bend my mind to understand that belief). If anyone gets the chance, please ask Joss.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Apr 22, 2008 13:48:24 GMT -5
Oh, I don't see what you mean. "here" In "I was never naughty here" most mean whereever whe was in the vision. And when buffy's says: "More like 'where'. Will?" She asks Will where she and the snakewoman had been. And Willow sems to be confused, which convinced me that Willow also was confused by what they just seen. Why would Willow say that she was never naughty about the last Buffy-vision. It's not exactly how i would describe it if my friedn lay crying on the ground. It's more likely that the naught-comment was directed at the naughty vision. But i have to admit, it's hard to interpret. After we see Willow with snake-lady, there is a whole part with Dawn and Xander, when we get back to Buffy and Willow, they are in an entirely different place. Robin appears and say's "How's it going?", that's when Buffy says "More like where" and then asks Willow, who responds "I was never naughty here." As soon as Robin appears, they are in the Buffy betrayal vision. I can't see enough of the sorroundings in the comic to be sure of where they are. damn fog. You might be right about them going to another room, I just don't see why Willow would call that vision naughty. I just can't. I also don't think that Willow replied to Buffy's question. Perhaps Buffy said"Will?" becayse she noticed that her friend were distraught. And then Willow mumbled "I was never naughty here." to defend herself from what she'd just seen(the snake-thing)
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Post by wenxina on Apr 22, 2008 22:47:13 GMT -5
I think Willow meant that she had never had sex/an affair in the room they see the curled up Buffy in. The vision they were in wasn't naughty, but since they were visiting each other's naughty, I think Willow was surprised about being in that room, saying that she had never been a bad little witch there. I'm pretty sure that the water-demon/snake lady thing had already happened.
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Apr 23, 2008 13:03:09 GMT -5
I think Willow meant that she had never had sex/an affair in the room they see the curled up Buffy in. The vision they were in wasn't naughty, but since they were visiting each other's naughty, I think Willow was surprised about being in that room, saying that she had never been a bad little witch there. I'm pretty sure that the water-demon/snake lady thing had already happened. +1 When Willow sees the image of Buffy bleeding (and crying?) on the ground in this strange room, she immediately protests that she's never been there, never done anything wrong there. Since she was so ready to speak right up and defend herself about that, I'd think that she'd also do the same about a vision of herself being all naked and naughty with some sort of exotic snake demon creature--"Whoa, hey, I never did that!" But she didn't say a word, which makes me pretty sure it already happened. That, plus the fact that it happened right after the vision of Buffy and the other slayers robbing the bank, which we know has already happened...
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Apr 23, 2008 14:45:01 GMT -5
[ +1 When Willow sees the image of Buffy bleeding (and crying?) on the ground in this strange room, she immediately protests that she's never been there, never done anything wrong there. Since she was so ready to speak right up and defend herself about that, I'd think that she'd also do the same about a vision of herself being all naked and naughty with some sort of exotic snake demon creature--"Whoa, hey, I never did that!" But she didn't say a word, which makes me pretty sure it already happened. That, plus the fact that it happened right after the vision of Buffy and the other slayers robbing the bank, which we know has already happened... But we don't see Willow's reaction to the snake-scene immediately, after Buffy's reaction we see Xander & Dawn. i just don't think it's likely that Joss would not show Willow's reaction to that vision, i think that after the xander/dawn-scene we see Willow's reaction. It's too bad that we can't hear willow's tone of voice, since i think that would help clearing this up, because I'm well aware that i might be wrong. Perhaps I'm putting to much weight on the word "naughty". i just don't think it's realistic response to a crying Buffy. But maybe Joss thinks so... and maybe he didn't want to show Willow's reaction to "her bad".
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Post by hitnrun017 on Apr 23, 2008 23:50:33 GMT -5
She isn't calling Buffy on the floor "naughty", she just stating that she was never "naughty" in the room they are in. When she stops and asks Robin if "this has happened yet", that's when she noticed Buffy on the floor crying.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Apr 24, 2008 3:10:31 GMT -5
She isn't calling Buffy on the floor "naughty", she just stating that she was never "naughty" in the room they are in. When she stops and asks Robin if "this has happened yet", that's when she noticed Buffy on the floor crying. Yeah, i can half-buy that. half her comment is for her scene with the snake-lady or the room(I think you know which on i believe ; ) The other half of her bubble is for Buffy. So either "I was never naughty here" means that it did happen but she denies it, or that that it actually didn't happen, and she's confused. we can't be sure. Not until one of us breaks into Joss' house and demands an answer. or wait for an Q&A
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Post by BenTaylor3907 on Apr 24, 2008 6:25:58 GMT -5
I have no clue, but that scene was hot!
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jun 3, 2008 16:51:58 GMT -5
I'm copying my post from this thread here www.slayalive.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=buffyseason8&thread=2535&page=1"In this thread www.slayalive.com/index.cgi?board=nffy&action=display&thread=2134 we discussed if the snake-lady memory is a past memory or not. If it's in the past, it might be cheating, but if it's in the future or a made up scene, it might not be cheating. But since I saw the preview of issue 15, I'm almost certain that Willow was not a willing participant, since the snake-lady and Willow don't seem to be "friends". I bet Willow was thralled, or that that memory was of the past but that she couldn't remember it, because the snake-lady made her forget. That would make a 100% sense! Even Willow's ambigious reaction to the memory in issue 10 makes sense. Yay! I'm so happy. (I know, unless you read my thread, you don't know what I'm talking about.)" Check out the previewhttp://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t310/slayalive/previews/BUFFY2-15-PG-06-FNL.jpg . Snake-lady and Willow has definitly meet once, so perhaps the scene in this issue could be from the past. Either way, Snake-lady is not playing fair.
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Post by balesthebloody on Jun 3, 2008 17:02:14 GMT -5
It is a past thing. If you read the preview pages for issue fifteen then you will see that Willow has already met the snake lady.
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