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Post by Emmie on Apr 27, 2008 21:13:10 GMT -5
I picked Parker and Spike. First, Parker because it happened 3 episodes into season 4 which felt too fast (as SMG felt also). Plus their hook-up was just painful to watch and he was such a jerk.
Now I really love certain aspects of Spuffy and while Buffy and Spike finally sleeping together in 'Smashed' was considered one of the hottest sex scenes ever, it happened in a way that tore down anything positive between them. Some of my favorite Spuffy scenes are when they're just sitting next to eachother talking or in silence, or when Spike goes all poetic on why he loves her.
The writers really went out of their way to sell to the audience that Buffy being with Spike was WRONG. He was evil and soulless; that all the spuffy lovers needed to understand he wasn't worthy of her and she only would turn to him in moments of self-destructiveness. I remember reading interviews with the writers and JM himself saying the audience love for Spike baffled them sometimes, which is part of why he was so villainized in 'Seeing Red'. To show that he was evil and would hurt Buffy, no matter how much he loved her.
I like Spike and Buffy together, just not the way it happened in anger, secrecy and loathing. Dark season 6.
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Post by BenTaylor3907 on Apr 27, 2008 22:08:55 GMT -5
I think it was important to to see all of these hookups. Angel- True love gone horribly wrong. Spike- Not really romantic, just angry sex out of loneliness. Satsu- Loneliness, kind of like Spike. Parker- To show how people can take advantage of you. Riley- To show that young love never lasts. (Not "never" but you know...)
But I HATE Parker for using Buffy for sex! I hope he burns in hell. And Riley, was it really necessary for you and Buffy to have constant sex all throughout "Where The Wild Things Are"? And those little kids are perverts. I bet they were watchin'.
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Post by gunsandsmoke on Apr 27, 2008 23:25:30 GMT -5
ehh, Parker was lame. I know, I know, the symbolism of it all! And as for Spike, well I think that was probably not the best relationship, but definitely the most intense. Sometimes it's the real intense relationships that are the most remembered. I wonder about how she will react when she finds out Spike is still "alive".
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Post by SlayerLV on Apr 27, 2008 23:25:49 GMT -5
Since all of the characters are from the show with the exception of Satsu, I'm goig to move this to the Buffyverse polls section.
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Post by Wyndam on Apr 27, 2008 23:41:12 GMT -5
ehh, Parker was lame. I know, I know, the symbolism of it all! And as for Spike, well I think that was probably not the best relationship, but definitely the most intense. Sometimes it's the real intense relationships that are the most remembered. I wonder about how she will react when she finds out Spike is still "alive". Wouldn't Buffy already know that Spike is alive? Why would Andrew keep that from her?
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Post by hitnrun017 on Apr 27, 2008 23:43:15 GMT -5
ehh, Parker was lame. I know, I know, the symbolism of it all! And as for Spike, well I think that was probably not the best relationship, but definitely the most intense. Sometimes it's the real intense relationships that are the most remembered. I wonder about how she will react when she finds out Spike is still "alive". Wouldn't Buffy already know that Spike is alive? Why would Andrew keep that from her? That is one thing that is really bugging me. I hoping Joss has a plan or something. Does Buffy know? Or does she not?
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Post by themaleslayer on Apr 27, 2008 23:44:48 GMT -5
Wouldn't Buffy already know that Spike is alive? Why would Andrew keep that from her? That is one thing that is really bugging me. I hoping Joss has a plan or something. Does Buffy know? Or does she not? She never did find out.
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Post by Wyndam on Apr 27, 2008 23:45:50 GMT -5
That is one thing that is really bugging me. I hoping Joss has a plan or something. Does Buffy know? Or does she not? She never did find out. How do you know that? I don't see why Andrew would keep that from her, or any one in the gang for that matter.
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Post by themaleslayer on Apr 27, 2008 23:48:59 GMT -5
How do you know that? I don't see why Andrew would keep that from her, or any one in the gang for that matter. Didn't Spike ask andrew not to tell her or something?
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Post by Emmie on Apr 28, 2008 1:21:10 GMT -5
I don't see how Andrew could keep his mouth shut, you know he wants to shout to the hills about Spike's resurrection from "the pit of the Balrog, more beautiful than ever". Wherever the AtS season 5 timeline after 'Damage' and Buffy season 8 cross, I'm expecting Buffy to find out about Spike. Unless Giles puts the kabosh on Andrew spilling his guts...
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Apr 28, 2008 1:53:51 GMT -5
I don't see how anyone can blame Buffy--or even Angel himself--for anything that happened after they had sex. Neither one of them had any clue that it would cause him to lose his soul. If they'd known, no matter how much in love they were, I don't think they would have still gone thru with it.
The only one who knew anything about the curse was Jenny's uncle (and presumably the rest of the tribe back home), and he certainly paid the highest possible price for not telling anyone about it beforehand.
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Post by Emmie on Apr 28, 2008 2:01:18 GMT -5
It's interesting how so few people feel she never should have slept with Riley. Its the one relationship where her having sex doesn't result in uber drama. Angel = lost soul. Parker = used and tossed aside. Spike = self-destructive, violent behavior. Satsu = inequal attachments, scandalous hookup that upsets working relationship dynamic.
Maybe if they'd infused a little more drama into Buffy and Riley's intimate relationship it would have been more interesting.
Basically, I think people aren't voting for Riley because nothing bad really happened...or maybe just nothing happened.
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Apr 28, 2008 2:32:37 GMT -5
Or maybe it's just that people can't stand Riley... which I've never understood. Was he a super-interesting character with great depth, or a dynamic personality that jumped off the screen? No, but he was a nice, normal guy, and she could've used something normal in her life. Seems like too many people just want her to be with Angel or Spike, and have zero tolerance for anyone else. Me, I don't really care, so I've always kinda liked the guy...
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Apr 28, 2008 3:22:57 GMT -5
Riley's awesome. Hot and occationally hilarious.
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Post by Rachster on Apr 28, 2008 5:03:35 GMT -5
Riley was cute and i think he was really good for Buffy he was a nice way for her to move on and have a almost normal relationship Her sleeping with angel was awesome it brang out Angles who i think is just awesome i think it really made her stronger And spike i never really minded because I'm a spuffy fan I still don't think sleeping with satsu was a good choice i always feel like Buffy just used her like parker used Buffy..
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Post by Joe on Apr 28, 2008 5:29:21 GMT -5
Spikes a great charactor and all. But their relationship hurt Buffy. So that's the worst one.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Apr 28, 2008 5:42:54 GMT -5
Without the pain both buffy and spike experienced in season 6, we wouldn't have soul-Spike, so it lead to something good.
i'm just very glad that Buffy was a slayer and could beat spike in a fight, since i don't like to think about how evil Spike would treat a human if he feel in love with one. i've read enough fanfics about evil Spike and Willow, Xander,etc, and when the best case senario is being turned by the lovesick vamp right away...
I'm very glad that buffy had superpowers.
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Post by Mathieu on Apr 28, 2008 11:09:18 GMT -5
It's interesting how so few people feel she never should have slept with Riley. Its the one relationship where her having sex doesn't result in uber drama. Angel = lost soul. Parker = used and tossed aside. Spike = self-destructive, violent behavior. Satsu = inequal attachments, scandalous hookup that upsets working relationship dynamic. Maybe if they'd infused a little more drama into Buffy and Riley's intimate relationship it would have been more interesting. Basically, I think people aren't voting for Riley because nothing bad really happened...or maybe just nothing happened. You're making a good point here!! I totally agree with that. It turns out that very few people think Buffy getting involved with Riley was a bad idea because nothing bad happened afterward but it shows the lack of drama. I guess he was too normal a guy to completely fit in the Buffyverse... By normal, I mean more or less normal. Let's not forget he was some kind of super soldier for some kind of secret mission. He also enjoyed getting bitten/sucked by female vampires. In spite of the whole lack of drama I liked how they ended his relationship with buffy, meaning with lots of drama.
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Post by Emmie on May 4, 2008 23:27:10 GMT -5
I just changed my vote to Spike (it used to be Parker). I think her sleeping with Spike messed up their relationship. Atleast before then they talked sometimes and were almost friends - those scenes from early season 6 were endearing.
But then maybe Buffy had to hit rock bottom for her to start feeling something again...who knows. I think that considering the development with Spike's soul it was necessary for him to realize he needed one. That sexual relationship hurt Buffy and helped Spike.
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Post by Rachster on May 5, 2008 6:50:06 GMT -5
I think spike and buffy was a must If they never had that whole weird sexship during season 6 spike would have never have got a soul and saved the world in season 7
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