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Post by wenxina on Sept 9, 2008 8:02:55 GMT -5
Skytte, I edited my post last night, if you missed it. It may answer your question.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Sept 9, 2008 8:11:21 GMT -5
Skytte, I edited my post last night, if you missed it. It may answer your question. Oh yes I saw. Yes, *sigh* she's probably all honorable. Sometimes I just wish she was more ruthless.
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Post by janiejones on Sept 9, 2008 9:24:35 GMT -5
*whispers in frustration* But she's Buffy. LOL! I think the same words and intonation have gone through my head a million times!
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Sept 9, 2008 11:44:38 GMT -5
I actually think that if Buffy started flying instead of Willow, I would somehow find that more natural.
"Oh, she can part the ocean? I should have known!"
I think I'm putting Buffy on a pedestal. Just a bit.
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Post by effy on Sept 9, 2008 13:29:51 GMT -5
Just a quick question!
If dark willow can only use limited amounts of magic then how can she be a match for buffy? the last time they fought willow was @ full power now she's weak
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Post by witcher on Sept 9, 2008 14:03:33 GMT -5
Just a quick question! If dark willow can only use limited amounts of magic then how can she be a match for buffy? the last time they fought willow was @ full power now she's weak I don't think she is a match for Buffy, that is why she is working with Hart and manipulating Fray into fighting Buffy.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Sept 9, 2008 14:16:58 GMT -5
She could be faking her weakness. Btw Effy, love your avatar
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Post by effy on Sept 9, 2008 17:06:09 GMT -5
thank you. i luv my avatar to!
i doubt she's faking it though cause remember magic is banned in fray's time. Maybe if she used strong magic she will be detected!
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Post by vampiresaiyan on Sept 9, 2008 18:18:55 GMT -5
In reference talking about Buffy not killing Drac and all the other bad stuff that is being said. It is my opinion that Buffy is trying to be more stratigic then run in head first. I think ever since Dirty Girls Buffy has had a hard time running into things. I mean she got Molly killed and others hurt including why our poor xander has no eye. So I think Buffy knows what she is doing. Dracula has said he has no taste for humans anymore plus he seems unkillable anyways lol. I think Buffy will slip up because she isnt perfect. It happens to the best of us. Same with Willow. I think as always this season will cover real life and how people bounce back from the mistakes they make....
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Post by jessesopher on Sept 9, 2008 18:37:01 GMT -5
Maybe Willow used the "super strong" spell on herself before she used her magic to preserve herself for all that. Remember the spell she used in season 6 that made her even stronger than Buffy?
I doubt it, but you shouldn't count FDW out just yet.... she's obviously got something up sleeves.
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Post by wenxina on Sept 9, 2008 18:37:52 GMT -5
Drac is killable now. Willow's reversal spell affected him too.
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Post by vampiresaiyan on Sept 9, 2008 19:00:04 GMT -5
@ wexina....oh yeah lol I knew that -_-" Umm well Dracula helped them. So tech he is no different than Spike in season 5 besides well he can eat people -_-" I give up lol
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Post by buffyverseforever on Sept 9, 2008 19:48:19 GMT -5
I actually think that if Buffy started flying instead of Willow, I would somehow find that more natural. "Oh, she can part the ocean? I should have known!" I think I'm putting Buffy on a pedestal. Just a bit. Get in line ;D Best wishes, Scott
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Post by barryshaft on Sept 9, 2008 23:52:41 GMT -5
In response to a lot of the debate. It wouldn't be honourable to kill Dracula at this point. He's not necessarily turning over a new leaf but he's stopped killing humans and actually helps Buffy to retrieve her Scythe but sacrificing his own powers for the good of the slayer army, I think he really proved himself there by making such a noble move when it was clearly not necessary of him.
And as for the vamp-nest birthday surprise, you really did miss the point on that one. With all the slayers they've got they clearly have many people doing nightly patrols, sending Slayer squads out to nests whenever they find the location (this has been referenced a few times over the course of the season). What Xander was saying was that he was letting Buffy take on a nest by herself (well and Satsu) as it'd been so long since she herself had done it. It wasn't a joke, it was a genuine gesture allowing her to do something that used to be quite therapeutic for her (slaying simple vamps). No moral line was crossed.
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Post by wenxina on Sept 10, 2008 0:11:20 GMT -5
In response to a lot of the debate. It wouldn't be honourable to kill Dracula at this point. He's not necessarily turning over a new leaf but he's stopped killing humans and actually helps Buffy to retrieve her Scythe but sacrificing his own powers for the good of the slayer army, I think he really proved himself there by making such a noble move when it was clearly not necessary of him.. While I agree that it would be dishonorable to kill Dracula at this point (meaning at the end of the WatG arc), I think it's a stretch to say that he's stopped killing humans. He was clearly depressed in #13, hence the lack of appetite, but he did enquire if he could finish off Aiko's corpse in #14. That itself clearly marks Dracula apart from the "good" vampires (i.e. the boys with souls). WatG was just as much a Dracula arc than anybody else's, and the point is, at the end of it, he had regained his sense of self, as shown when he looms over Toru, telling him that it's not the vampire that he should fear, but rather the "old man". At which point, I'll say that he's probably regained a taste for human blood; he goes to pretty graphic details on his reign of terror, even before becoming a vampire. Also, as much I agree with the point you've made about his noble sacrifice, I'd add that Dracula had a personal interest in seeing the Jap vamps dusted; regaining his own sense of honor as well. They had stolen secrets from him, so this was a personal mission too.
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Post by Patches on Sept 10, 2008 4:07:46 GMT -5
In response to a lot of the debate. It wouldn't be honourable to kill Dracula at this point. He's not necessarily turning over a new leaf but he's stopped killing humans and actually helps Buffy to retrieve her Scythe but sacrificing his own powers for the good of the slayer army, I think he really proved himself there by making such a noble move when it was clearly not necessary of him.. While I agree that it would be dishonorable to kill Dracula at this point (meaning at the end of the WatG arc), I think it's a stretch to say that he's stopped killing humans. He was clearly depressed in #13, hence the lack of appetite, but he did enquire if he could finish off Aiko's corpse in #14. That itself clearly marks Dracula apart from the "good" vampires (i.e. the boys with souls). WatG was just as much a Dracula arc than anybody else's, and the point is, at the end of it, he had regained his sense of self, as shown when he looms over Toru, telling him that it's not the vampire that he should fear, but rather the "old man". At which point, I'll say that he's probably regained a taste for human blood; he goes to pretty graphic details on his reign of terror, even before becoming a vampire. Also, as much I agree with the point you've made about his noble sacrifice, I'd add that Dracula had a personal interest in seeing the Jap vamps dusted; regaining his own sense of honor as well. They had stolen secrets from him, so this was a personal mission too. I have to admit, that when I mentioned Buffy letting Dracula go, I have actually pulled a straw-man. The reason why Buffy does not kill Dracula, Anya, S4 Spike, etc. is that they all are comic relief characters. On of the rule of the 'verse is that you can get away with murder if you do it in a funny way. And that's OK really. Besides Buffyverse characters are not static. They change, sometimes from episode to episode. Compare for example Anya in "Beneath you" and Anya in "Selfless". In first she is a comic character who turned a human being into a worm from Arrakis, in the second she is a dramatic character. Dramatic character operate by different rules then comic. They cannot just get away even with accidental murder, e.g. Faith in "Bad Girls". Now, you have brought forth a very valid point. During WATG Dracula changes from comic relief into dramatic character, he regains his self-worth. :vampirebite: Drac's last scene with Xander is a dramatic scene. And he probably should have been killed there. Btw, Dracula did not sacrificed his powers for some nobility reason. He did it because he is a badass. Oh, and Buffy is not afraid of Dracula, no matter how much of a badass he is. She is not afraid of any physical confrontation. Buffy fears emotional pain.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Sept 10, 2008 6:39:36 GMT -5
In reference talking about Buffy not killing Drac and all the other bad stuff that is being said. It is my opinion that Buffy is trying to be more stratigic then run in head first. I think ever since Dirty Girls Buffy has had a hard time running into things. I mean she got Molly killed and others hurt including why our poor xander has no eye. That theory would work if we hadn't seen Buffy run in head first in the first issue. In response to a lot of the debate. It wouldn't be honourable to kill Dracula at this point. He's not necessarily turning over a new leaf but he's stopped killing humans and actually helps Buffy to retrieve her Scythe but sacrificing his own powers for the good of the slayer army, I think he really proved himself there by making such a noble move when it was clearly not necessary of him. In issue 13, we see how Dracula's purple servant offers him a human, and when he arrives to Tokyo he wants to eat Aiko's corpse. I seriosuly doubt that he doesn't kill humans anymore. And the only reason Dracula went to japan was because the tokyo-vamps had offended him and taken his powers. Perhaps he was saving the slayer army a little bit because of Xander, but mostly because of his pride. He couldn't let such a offence slip, could he? I doubt that he saved the slayer army to do a noble thing. For all we know, he knows how to re-gain his powers in time, he just wanted to fix the Tokyo-vamps. And you know, why the hell would a vamp want to save slayers? Seems highly unlikley taht he would have that kind of morals. And Patches is sadly enough right. The writers adapt the characters, that by now has their own lives, to be funny or dramatic, when some should be killed or kill. I thought it was very out of character of Buffy to let the homocidal Spike roam around Sunnydale, looking for a doctor to remove his chip. I also think that after risking the world for her sister, and then not kill Ben, WTF? The chacaters and stories are adapted to appeal, that's a fact. No matter how much we analyze the characters and their actions, we always have to think "Oh wait, the character did that to be funny." Case in point, Xander summoning Sweet, assumingly for the "queen"-joke. (Btw, I LOVE discussing with you guys.)
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Post by effy on Sept 10, 2008 11:38:15 GMT -5
i can just say it's gonna be one hell of a part 4!!! I mean Buffy VS Fray then both or maybe only one against willow and harth!!
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Post by effy on Sept 11, 2008 13:48:37 GMT -5
OMG!! I'm hoping when i say this line i won't burst into song but.. I've Got a Theory!!! It could be bunnies!! just kiddin!
But seriously I just realised why willow in Frays time can only use limeted amounts of magic! When we first saw Dark Willow in season 6 she was using huge amounts of magic but when she was trying to get to jonathan and andrew her power drained so she needed to top-up using Rack as a power source. Then When her magic was draining again she took giles' power.
Right think about this: In Fray's world magic was bannished so when willow came back she had no-one or nothing to get power from. so bringing buffy to thw future must have taken most of her magic leaving her with very little. That's just my theory. feel free to give ur opinion on it
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Sept 11, 2008 15:02:06 GMT -5
I agree, Willow's apperant lack of magic has probably to do with the banishing of magic(although I'm not ruling out that she lied to Fray about her power).
And about her dragging Buffy to the future, she mostly only had to get Saga to tell old Willow to get Buffy to the right spot in New York. Perhaps she used almost no energy at all.
Not sure what you mean with "came back." You think that Willow went into hiding in another dimension or something and then came back to earth work with Harth, discovering that she had no power?
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