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Post by angeliclestat on Jun 24, 2008 9:02:56 GMT -5
Throughout Angel's 5 year run Wolfram and Hart was the biggest of the big Bads (in my opinion the biggest Bad on either show).
They are so powerful they can cast a whole city into a Hell dimension (or else bring Hell to a whole city -we'll find out next issue folks!) But in After the Fall there has been continued reference to 'other players'. Wesley mentions is issue 4 that:
"Wolfram and Hart sent us here,but the don't control it. As much as they'd like to, and they're trying. But its too much evil even for them. There are forces at work that they have nothing to do with.They're the ones we have to worry about"
And this is superimposed over a panel of Gunn and his gang. But is Gunn the Big Bad? Or is the faction that has recruited Gunn?
What are your theories on this?
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Post by Joe on Jun 24, 2008 9:06:51 GMT -5
Gunn is the big bad.. or at least that's what i think..
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Post by patxshand on Jun 24, 2008 9:33:41 GMT -5
I believe that, before #1 was even released, Brian Lynch said there would be two Big Bads. I think that both Gunn and the disembodied voice that is looking over Wesley (whether it be a Senior Partner or something else) are the Big Bads.
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Post by Joe on Jun 25, 2008 7:59:30 GMT -5
I believe that, before #1 was even released, Brian Lynch said there would be two Big Bads. I think that both Gunn and the disembodied voice that is looking over Wesley (whether it be a Senior Partner or something else) are the Big Bads. hmmm, when did he say that? that's weird but cool. And I just figured Wesley was taken to the White Room and the conduit was just a voice now and no longer a little girl or cat thing... |
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Post by patxshand on Jun 25, 2008 13:29:33 GMT -5
But we also saw the voice talking outside of the white room. It spoke with the Fake-Fred from #7 and told her that Wesley is the key to all of this.
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Post by balesthebloody on Jun 25, 2008 14:17:05 GMT -5
I think that it is safe to say that Gunn is one of the big bads. I would also say that W&H are playing a big part in everything that is going on. Plus Wes did say something about other players. So there could be more out there.
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Post by Tyler Austin "tiewashere" on Jul 10, 2008 1:00:17 GMT -5
Wolfram and Hart I'd consider big bads.
Gunn is close.
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Post by cheryl on Jul 13, 2008 22:04:23 GMT -5
Angelus?
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Post by sire on Jul 15, 2008 6:44:48 GMT -5
ITS BETTA GEORGE!!!  |
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Post by angeliclestat on Jul 15, 2008 15:10:54 GMT -5
ITS BETTA GEORGE!!! That would rock!  Well since issues 8-10 we now know of this mysterious organisation that was gaining power before the Fall of LA. The one that sired Gunn. I wonder is it all made up of vampires? - and while Gunn is being used as the figurehead...I wonder who is the one really pulling the strings in this group. |
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Post by WolfRamHart420 on Jul 24, 2008 13:17:48 GMT -5
im going with wolfram and hart through gun and Wesley i feel like there both pawns in the end
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Post by Joe on Jul 24, 2008 17:52:20 GMT -5
Now after reading up to issue 10 I think Wolfram & Hart... and Gunn are the big bads...
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Post by magicegidius on Jul 28, 2008 10:03:28 GMT -5
Harmony:)
She's still the most powerfull vampire I know...
She did good things WITHOUT a soul...
I hoped she would be the vamp to have the benefits from the Shansu prophecy...
And if she's not the big bad...PLZ BRING HER BACK!
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Post by BenTaylor3907 on Jul 28, 2008 10:10:54 GMT -5
I know, right? lol. Maybe we'll see her in Angel: Aftermath.
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Post by snizapman6294 on Aug 16, 2008 20:22:14 GMT -5
the first big bad is Gunn. i think the second is either Angelus who may have manifested when LA became HelLA. or the chick in wesley's first night. i think it's Lilah. reading the dialogue from the female mystery character definately seemed Lilah-esque and a lot of things she said i remember Lilah saying close to or exactly the same thing.
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Post by willowxwonka on Aug 16, 2008 20:51:12 GMT -5
Harmony:) She's still the most powerfull vampire I know... She did good things WITHOUT a soul... I hoped she would be the vamp to have the benefits from the Shansu prophecy... And if she's not the big bad...PLZ BRING HER BACK! Powerful - no. Angel and Spike and Darla and Dru were more powerful then they were. The only statement I agree with you on is "PLZ BRING HER BACK". From what I heard, she will be returning. |
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Post by patxshand on Aug 16, 2008 22:33:21 GMT -5
WW, the interview that said Brian was bringing Harmony back was wrong. He's never made any comment, negative or positive, about brining Harmony back in "After the Fall."
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Post by General Zod on Aug 18, 2008 14:53:58 GMT -5
I hope there is no "Big Bad", that doesn't really work as well in comics. Better to have a veriety of villians.
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Post by patxshand on Aug 21, 2008 12:09:56 GMT -5
Big Bads work very well in limited series, though. Which "After the Fall" is.
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Post by Malsad on Sept 29, 2008 17:36:11 GMT -5
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