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Post by ilovewillow on Dec 19, 2008 18:32:41 GMT -5
Very cool! I enjoyed watching this. I really liked how you made Future Dark Willow look. You should so do more of these xx
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Post by Tyler Austin "tiewashere" on Dec 20, 2008 10:22:13 GMT -5
Very cool! I enjoyed watching this. I really liked how you made Future Dark Willow look. You should so do more of these xx He has them for every issue.
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Post by phoenixfire on Dec 25, 2008 17:14:53 GMT -5
whats goin to happen with fra and her scythe
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Post by phoenixfire on Dec 25, 2008 17:17:47 GMT -5
I think that the arm in the Fray comics saying that it's the end, is present-day Willow's arm reaching in to get Buffy. That way, too much has changed in Fray's future, wiping out that world's existence. That could be what is meant by the end with the image of the arm reaching into Fray's world. Huh? Where is the arm? And has someone else noticed that on thaw and darkhorse the preview is only 3 pages long? that cant be willows are it has a tenticle around their hand or hers
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Post by wenxina on Dec 25, 2008 17:38:37 GMT -5
whats goin to happen with fra and her scythe Fray's Scythe is broken, but that's not to say that it cannot be fixed/reforged/made better. I'm surprised that Fray didn't make any modifications to her Scythe, but I guess it's a purity of the weapon deal. The Scythe was a symbol of the Slayer, and it says quite a lot that Buffy broke Fray's Scythe. It was her only connection to the Slayer lineage, and if it's really unfixable, Fray will be more cut off than before. What that means is entirely up in the air. I'm guessing it'll be dealt with if Joss (or anyone) ever picks up the Fray storyline again (preferably in her own miniseries again).
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Post by Rebecca on Jan 3, 2009 14:55:11 GMT -5
The Scythe was a symbol of the Slayer, and it says quite a lot that Buffy broke Fray's Scythe. It was her only connection to the Slayer lineage, and if it's really unfixable, Fray will be more cut off than before. What that means is entirely up in the air. This made me wonder what significance this has on Buffy S8. What does it say about Buffy that she was the one to break Fray's Scythe? Some sort of metaphor for how Buffy is destroying the slayer line, similar to the break of the line between Buffy and Melaka?
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Post by wenxina on Jan 3, 2009 15:42:52 GMT -5
This made me wonder what significance this has on Buffy S8. What does it say about Buffy that she was the one to break Fray's Scythe? Some sort of metaphor for how Buffy is destroying the slayer line, similar to the break of the line between Buffy and Melaka? Or that Buffy, like Fray, is willing to do whatever it takes to save her world, including bringing the other Slayer down. Mel vowed to not kill a Slayer, but that vow kinda went out the window once she and Buffy shared a moment of understanding about "the fate of the world"; i.e. the big picture which they're both trying to save. The fight that ensues is definitely deadly, Mel being the aggressor, and Buffy kinda reacting to the whole thing. That final swing Mel takes with the Scythe was aimed at the neck, meaning had Buffy not countered with that kinda amazing backhand, it would've been curtains for blondie. Ironically, from what I understood of ToYL combined with #20, Buffy's return to her own time is what inevitably draws Fray's future into existence. ToYL never quite gets to answering the question about how we go from many to "half a Slayer". Probably has to do with the Scythe... the Buffyverse is poetic like that.
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Post by seryna on Jan 7, 2009 6:20:09 GMT -5
I'm slipping in late (because I can't stand discussing things when its not in my hands) but I had an idea about the differences in Frays Scythe and Buffy's Scythe. We're assuming its stood the test of time- because Fray has it- but what it didn't?
What if it snapped during a spectacular battle -like with Buffy- and had to be wrapped and reinforced to stand up for more battles? Explains why it looks so different if parts are newer/different future-y metals were used.
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Post by Emmie on Jan 7, 2009 9:07:53 GMT -5
Huh. Cool idea, seryna. I like it as a potential explanation of the differences in the scythe.
ETA differences meaning how easily Buffy breaks the scythe with her fist. It'd be nice to have a physical explanation. Although it would wear down the powerful symbolism of that moment.
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Post by wenxina on Jan 7, 2009 9:30:04 GMT -5
Explains why it looks so different if parts are newer/different future-y metals were used. Except that the Scythes look identical. Yes, the original concept design used in the Fray series looked very different from the Scythe we see in S7, and S8, but by the time "ToYL" came around, both Buffy and Fray had identical Scythes. There are many panels where both Scythes are next to each other, and there's no obvious differences at all. That or if you have seen the incentive posters, they look identical there too. I'd argue that it was a design retcon, and not because of mending processes. Not discounting that the Scythe may have been mended at one time or another; just saying that they don't look different at all.
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Post by seryna on Jan 8, 2009 6:09:30 GMT -5
Yeah, it was a rather OMG! moment, nearly of 'graduation day part 1'. I haven't seen much of Fray- does anyone have a picture of the Scythe that was retcon'ed?
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My off the wall theory- its a Riley Bot. They made Adam with 'parts of a Boy scout', so Riley is the Boy Scout part of some reanimated evil purpose figure head. I know, not the Iniatiative, crazy, unrealistic...
... but I *liked* that Riley was a normal, cardboard guy. He apparently snapped under the strain.
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Post by wenxina on Jan 11, 2009 11:54:42 GMT -5
Here's the Fray TPB image: That's the first design, since it came out before S7. This is the retconned design used in S7 onwards: The main difference that's immediately apparent is in the blade of the Scythe.
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Post by BenTaylor3907 on Jan 11, 2009 12:09:17 GMT -5
Fray's scythe could just be stained with blood. You know? (I know that was a bad theory, I just wanted to put in my two cents.)
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Post by wenxina on Jan 11, 2009 12:43:55 GMT -5
It's a possibility, but it's always red in Fray. And the shape of the blade is different too. Not just coz one's thicker, but that wicked looking curve at the bottom of the blade.
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Post by Saturn 5 on Jan 13, 2009 14:31:40 GMT -5
Firstly I think it's safe to say that this IS Willow, not some clone or robot etc, her talking about history etc means it could only be our Will
Buffy knocked out and chained up, yep, Scoobygang business as usual
That said it's interesting to see Buffy use the raygun which is unusual
Wonderful to see Dawn in battle, a one woman 7th Cavalry. Couldn't Xander have got a bigger sword though? And that helmet doesn't suit him at all
Hard to know who to root for in Buffy vs Fray, they're both right in their own way
Tension between Warren and Amy? Well it was only a matter of time
Now personally I figured Riley WAS the hooded man. Question now is whether or not Riley is Twilight's man on the inside or Buffy's man inside Twilight?
So is Darkwill dead? Remember, Warren axed her in the back and she just got back up?
So, Fray's world still exists which is good, she's a likeable character in an unenviable position, hope we see her again
My theory? That in some form of final battle Buffy destroys magic which is why there was none before Fray's time, that's why DarkWillow opposes her.
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Post by hitnrun017 on Jan 13, 2009 15:51:31 GMT -5
It's a possibility, but it's always red in Fray. And the shape of the blade is different too. Not just coz one's thicker, but that wicked looking curve at the bottom of the blade. I really hated how inconsistency of the Scythe's deisgn and color. But now it has changed so much throughout Fray, Season 7 and Season 8 that I've just started to ignore it. I guess it's just different artists interpretations, the differences between Jeanty's and Moline's (during ToYL) are very apparent.
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Post by wenxina on Jan 13, 2009 19:55:39 GMT -5
Interestingly enough, if you compare Chen's #16 cover to all the Scythe designs, her illustration shows that she used Moline's original design of the Scythe. Jeanty's is similar, if not pretty identical to the design in S7. Moline's retconned design is essentially the same as his original design, with the addition of the silver edge. I guess I've come to just accept that it's all based on artistic vision, and as long as I know that it's the Scythe, that's all that really matters. All presentations thus far are canonical, but I guess if I had to take a pick, I'd go with the S7/Jeanty's S8 design as the one that takes precedence over the rest (even though Moline's original design was seen first in Fray). EDIT: Here are some images to represent the S7 and Chen's designs.
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Post by Mathieu on Jan 19, 2009 14:11:38 GMT -5
Hey people, am I the only one who noticed something weird or was that brought up before?
I just noticed that at the end of the issue 19 when Future Dark Willow is talking to Current Buffy she says "Maybe I think the 20th century can soldier on just fine without you." 20th century? Really? I thought we were living in the 21st century.
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Post by Wyndam on Jan 19, 2009 14:31:24 GMT -5
Hey people, am I the only one who noticed something weird or was that brought up before? I just noticed that at the end of the issue 19 when Future Dark Willow is talking to Current Buffy she says "Maybe I think the 20th century can soldier on just fine without you." 20th century? Really? I thought we were living in the 21st century. I didn't notice that. Interesting. It is probably just an error that was overlooked. I doubt it was intentional.
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Post by anneke on Feb 18, 2009 13:21:53 GMT -5
Hi Beautiful issue! Just a thing... Fray says: "I'm such a needs", but what does 'needs' mean? Desperate? (Again, sorry about this question, but I'm italian, I don't understand well this future slang" :S
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