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Post by diabeticdude202 on Dec 4, 2008 8:26:11 GMT -5
I'm hoping that Simone will live after this issue because I want to see how she would go up against Faith. I mean Faith used to believe everything that Simone believes in now -- so Faith can either talk Simone out of doing the wrong thing because of her own experience or they will have a groosome fight to the death.
Me personally, I'd rather my first idea because that way Faith won't feel like a villain, Buffy didn't kill anyone nor did Faith, and we wouldn't have a repeat of No Future For You.
I CAN'T WAIT!!
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Post by CowboyGuy on Dec 4, 2008 8:32:45 GMT -5
I'm hoping that Simone will live after this issue because I want to see how she would go up against Faith. I mean Faith used to believe everything that Simone believes in now -- so Faith can either talk Simone out of doing the wrong thing because of her own experience or they will have a groosome fight to the death. Me personally, I'd rather my first idea because that way Faith won't feel like a villain, Buffy didn't kill anyone nor did Faith, and we wouldn't have a repeat of No Future For You. I CAN'T WAIT!! Maybe Faith could do a little bit of an asswhooping before talking sense to Simone. I really like 'swing-first think later' Faith... I'm all for non-murderous Faith, and would hate to see another slayer die at her hand.
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Post by diabeticdude202 on Dec 4, 2008 8:37:26 GMT -5
Name of Trade Paper Back:
I assume the first TPB would be called after #20 "After these messages..." seing as there all stand alones. Cover of Trade Paper Back: I would picture something like "The Long Way Home" cover except something like this... It's a half and half like cover (similar to the NFFY cover). One one half you have Buffy, Willow and Xander clearly seen ready for battle (not as close up as all the other TPB covers). Also on that side Kennedy and Satsu are visable but in a crowd of several random slayers. On the other side, you'd have Simon standing in the centre of her army - she has all the-now popular vampires in her army with her other rogue slayers standing there two. Standing in the middle would be Harmony who hasn't decided what side she's on yet. One more cover idea. A simple cover -- another NFFY like cover except one of Buffy is normal and the other is animated. I would like a completely animated version of the TPB but I don't think it would happen.
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Post by Emmie on Dec 5, 2008 17:40:14 GMT -5
I assume the first TPB would be called after #20 "After these messages..." seing as there all stand alones. #20 After These Message...We'll Be Right Back is part of the Time of Your Life TPB. Issues 21 through 25 will be a separate TPB.
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Post by Vail on Dec 5, 2008 21:15:20 GMT -5
Talking about this TPB's cover... wouldn't it be hilarious if It were a picture of Willow who, for instance, was holding/making float several different books with each character's picture on them? Come on!!! 5 fricking issues and none of them is dedicated to my present-day no-dark-hair Will??? On the other hand, I'm guessing that we won't be able to decide the TPB title, but wouldn't it be cool if we held an in-forum constest about it? The one that gets it closer to the real one wins!
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Post by Rebecca on Dec 31, 2008 0:44:12 GMT -5
Perhaps the it's time for a Predators and Prey sub-board? Just a thought
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Post by witcher on Jan 1, 2009 8:44:40 GMT -5
Perhaps the it's time for a Predators and Prey sub-board? Just a thought I agree 100%
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Post by juniorwatcher on Jan 1, 2009 16:59:22 GMT -5
I'm hoping that Simone will live after this issue because I want to see how she would go up against Faith. I mean Faith used to believe everything that Simone believes in now -- so Faith can either talk Simone out of doing the wrong thing because of her own experience or they will have a groosome fight to the death. Me personally, I'd rather my first idea because that way Faith won't feel like a villain, Buffy didn't kill anyone nor did Faith, and we wouldn't have a repeat of No Future For You. I CAN'T WAIT!! Maybe Faith could do a little bit of an asswhooping before talking sense to Simone. I really like 'swing-first think later' Faith... I'm all for non-murderous Faith, and would hate to see another slayer die at her hand. I agree, if Simone gets killed by Faith, that would be horrible for her. I don't know what Faith might do...
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Post by Tyler Austin "tiewashere" on Jan 7, 2009 17:09:26 GMT -5
It is time for a Predators and Prey board. It usually takes Phil quite a while to update stuff like that, though. Its hard to find all the threads on the issues I wanna talk about.
I think I figured out whats so awkward about the Jo cover. 1. Buffy's nose. 2. It looks as though Buffy isn't holding on to the sword very strong. Her wrist is sorta limp and her hand is VERY close to her chest. I think this has to do with the width of comic covers. It looks as if Jo drew Simone first (which I would suspect she would because she's never drawn her before) and then sorta ran out of space for Buffy and just had to squeeze her in there.
I'll still buy the Jo cover because I really hate the cartoony-looking variant covers.
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Post by patxshand on Jan 7, 2009 17:50:21 GMT -5
I think this has to do with the width of comic covers. It looks as if Jo drew Simone first (which I would suspect she would because she's never drawn her before) and then sorta ran out of space for Buffy and just had to squeeze her in there. Nah, that can't be it. Jo Chen does sketches of the covers and cocepts before she goes to paint. Plus, when you look at it, Buffy takes up more room that Simone. I think its a great cover.
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Post by Rebecca on Jan 10, 2009 19:08:35 GMT -5
Anyone else think the significance of Buffy and Simone on the cover together is that they are both corrupted?
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Post by hitnrun017 on Jan 10, 2009 21:40:18 GMT -5
Anyone else think the significance of Buffy and Simone on the cover together is that they are both corrupted? Interesting! I think another way to look at it is that Buffy is the curropted one. If anything, Simone isn't curropted, she's running her own thing. Maybe she left because she didn't want to be curropted. On the cover she's enjoying herself, free. Buffy is the one who is angered, looks like she'll kill if she has to.
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Post by Rebecca on Jan 11, 2009 14:13:39 GMT -5
That's an interesting idea, hitnrun017. Though, I am almost certain that Simone is on the corrupted side, if only because she has an uncanny affability to guns and ammunition, a consistent "no-no" in BtVS. However I have reason to think that Simone is more like Buffy than she would care to admit. That is, what Buffy has become. From this issue's blurb:
"Rogue Slayers--Simone and her gang--have not been helping Slayer-civilian relations with their attacks against the military, bank robbing, and occasional snitching at Hot Topic."
Attacks against the military and bank robbing... sounds a lot like Buffy of S8 we've seen so far. Also, check their body language in the cover. They are both glaring with swords crossed, almost a mirror image of each other.
I see this as an opportunity for Buffy to confront and battle against herself more than Simone. Hopefully she will be the better for it. Though I have to say I really hope Faith is the one to make Buffy see the light, as that is her calling now and it seems Buffy is in real need of that kind of help.
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Post by wenxina on Jan 11, 2009 14:37:05 GMT -5
Though I have to say I really hope Faith is the one to make Buffy see the light, as that is her calling now and it seems Buffy is in real need of that kind of help. Preferably in a quiet reflective moment, kinda like that quiet scene they had in "End of Days" (I think that was the ep). Best lines of the ep: "Thank god we're hot chicks with superpowers" "Kinda takes the edge off" But... my point being, no more fighty with those two. NFFY was necessary, I think, but I really like those two in their quieter moments.
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Post by Emmie on Jan 11, 2009 14:42:06 GMT -5
If anything, Simone isn't curropted, she's running her own thing. Maybe she left because she didn't want to be curropted. On the cover she's enjoying herself, free. Buffy is the one who is angered, looks like she'll kill if she has to. While I'll admit that Buffy fits into the corrupted/misguided category, saying Simone is *not* corrupted is equivalent to saying that Harmony is a fluffy bunny. Something that would only scare Anya. Recall that Simone has been robbing banks (cough! like Buffy) and using guns, which means she's going even further into the violent category. Guns are used to kill people in the 'verse, not demons (except for Wesley when he managed to sling a bullet into Skip's skull). The things are "never useful" in the fight against evil in Buffy's world. So if Simone is packing heat, how long do you think it'll be before she's murdered a human being? I'm betting she's already killed people like those guards on the footage shown in A Beautiful Sunset. Maybe that's assuming too much at this point and I'm sure we'll learn more in #23, but still guns as weapons are very significant. I don't think that choice was made lightly. The important difference between Buffy and Simone is intentions. Buffy's in it to save the world. Simone is in it for the excitement and the power - she's in it for herself. Selfless versus selfish uses of their power. But while Buffy might be misguided, Simone is clearly criminal. She's not committing crimes to save the world or save innocents (as far as we can tell). Stealing from Hot Topic? If that would save the world, then we owe a lot to all the punk goth teenagers of America.
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Post by wenxina on Jan 11, 2009 15:06:35 GMT -5
I don't think the guards were dead in #11, though. Remember reading something about them having their memories wiped of the event... so that definitely makes them alive, provided I'm not remembering wrong. But I agree otherwise, guns=bad in the Buffyverse. It's also a symbol of masculine power for the most part (Simone may be the first female packing heat since Kate), and to me, it was quite a deliberate choice that it was a bullet that killed Tara. Very phallic (not that a stake isn't). There are some interesting articles out there on the significance of rape imagery in S6. Quite disturbing.
EDIT: Okay, Willow/Warren held one, but that doesn't really count. Did Fred ever use a gun?
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Post by Emmie on Jan 11, 2009 15:13:40 GMT -5
Well, the guards not being killed doesn't rule out that Simone could have taken a human life or is on the path towards it. Faith accidentally killed the Deputy Mayor because she was careless. So Simone doesn't get more 'faith' from me on her antics.
Hmm, so their memories were wiped? Which makes the Slayer stance on exposure even more contradictory. Andrew is starring in commercials to recruit slayers, but they're taking the time to mindwipe guards attacked by slayers. Does secrecy only matter when it's damage control? When PR tells you it makes you look bad?
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Post by Rebecca on Jan 11, 2009 15:19:58 GMT -5
Interesting that you are connecting the guns = bad to ats as well. I find a lot of themes don't cross over, including the gun one. Granted, Angel never really needed to use guns, but didn't Wesley and *ahem* Gunn use guns at some point? I know Darla did, but she was evil, lol. I guess I just don't remember gun use = bad as a theme in ATS. Hmm, so their memories were wiped? Which makes the Slayer stance on exposure even more contradictory. Andrew is starring in commercials to recruit slayers, but they're taking the time to mindwipe guards attacked by slayers. Does secrecy only matter when it's damage control? When PR tells you it makes you look bad? I don't think the fact that the guards' memories were wiped gives Buffy et al more confidence in secrecy, seeing as they got video tape of the actual crime remotely. Pretty much anyone could have access to it, in addition to the facility security/managers on staff.
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Post by wenxina on Jan 11, 2009 15:22:04 GMT -5
Totally not discounting that Simone may have killed by now. And I just did a quick check, and yes, Andrew's Wiccans wiped the guards' memory. I think the mindwipe was of the robbery itself, coz as Xander said, the moment the big boys hear that Slayers are packing heat, the feces will definitely hit the aerator. The commercials were a weird choice... especially since we've seen them twice now (once in "The Chain", and once more in "Harmonic Divergence"). I guess most people would simply write off the commercial as something dumb. Or as someone on Whedonesque suggested, perhaps it was one of those commercials that get aired at 4am... you know, prime Slayer hours or something. But I'd say that in the case of the mindwipe, it was for damage control, because people actually got hurt. The Slayer organization is probably not a closely guarded secret; MTV researchers and Anderson Cooper's people were able to find out quite a bit about them. Plus the whole Tokyo fiasco. I think it's more that it's a more underground movement. So far, the rogue Slayers have consistently brought the war to the surface though (with the exception with Gigi, but she was a "debutard"). EDIT: I've actually not thought too much about how guns were ever bad in AtS, and you're right, the theme never really carried over. I guess my point when including AtS as well would be that guns are still traditionally a masculine weapon in the Buffyverse. And not that men are all bad, but BtVS is a show about female empowerment. The female empowerment thing doesn't really crossover to AtS. EDIT again: I think the video surveillance tapes were probably swiped or damaged. Wouldn't make sense to do a mindwipe without getting rid of the tangible evidence.
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Post by patxshand on Jan 11, 2009 15:23:06 GMT -5
I hate the guns = bad theme. I'm all for gun control in *real* life, but it doesn't make sense in Buffy. They can use rocket launchers and cross bows, but for some reason, guns aren't moral. Yeah. Okay.
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