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Post by CowboyGuy on Feb 19, 2009 23:27:28 GMT -5
Yes, it does in fact say that. Plain and simple Buffy has cut him off. Which also begs the question if whether or not she is keeping tabs on the both of them (Faith/Giles). Even though she is feeling confused and betrayed, I am sure she wants to know they are safe.
If this comes to pass, it better be damn worth it. To me this would be way worse than a Dawn/Xander pairing. Giles was her stinking librarian at Sunnydale High for goodness sake! And Faith...can't she ever be in a working relationship with a man without wanting to have sex with him? She tried to put the moves on the Mayor until he claimed to be a "family man". She clearly wanted Angel, she slept with Xander. Ughhhhh.
For the record:
Main Entry: bed·mate Pronunciation: \ˈbed-ˌmāt\ Function: noun Date: 1583
: one who shares one's bed ; especially : a sexual partner
Why use that word, if it's not accurate?
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Post by Emmie on Feb 19, 2009 23:32:20 GMT -5
I never read the prologues to be honest, so I never read that. Yet after NFFY Buffy was getting info from Giles for Anywhere But Here. Frankly there's no reason to go from ABH to WatG with "Buffy has cut off Giles". And from my understanding of the end of NFFY, it was Giles who cut off Buffy who was talking to him and demanded she put Willow on the phone. It's a two-way street here. Giles is keeping secrets from Buffy, Buffy is keeping secrets from Giles. They're both adults now and they're both responsible for that. And it's not like Giles has been shown to be *trying* to talk to Buffy at all. Where as Buffy has been shown to be *trying* quite hard to talk to Giles and only getting shut down because he doesn't return her calls or demands to talk to Willow instead of her.
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Post by vampmogs on Feb 20, 2009 4:04:36 GMT -5
I never interpreted that line in ‘Anywhere But Here’ as proof they had, had any recent contact with one another. I got the impression Giles told them about this place months, possibly years ago and they’re just using the information now because they need to. When Buffy and Willow were joking about her falling asleep (if I remember correctly?) it sounded to me as if they were talking about “old times.”
I think Buffy cut Giles off after the argument, that’s the impression I got from what Giles said to Faith. After all, she decides what information he was getting and what he wasn’t, it’s a lot easier to cut Giles off than it is for Giles to cut her off. Regardless, the prologue says it and they’d have only included it in there if it’s the impression they were wanting us to get.
Right now I do hope their relationship is still platonic, it’s easier that way and I agree with Cowboy guy there’s really no reason to change it. However, out of all the possible issues with this hurting Buffy’s feels is and should be, the least of people’s worries. Buffy slept with Spike knowing how much it would revolt and hurt Xander, not to hurt his feelings but because she needed to at the time, they got over it. This isn’t something Buffy/Giles won’t get over as well.
Right now if this really is on the cards they need to work on making it believable for both characters. That’s what is most important here, can they write this so that it will work? This could be a massive flop or a hit as far as I’m concerned, I really can’t form a true opinion on it until I see it for myself.
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Post by Whedon Fan on Feb 20, 2009 7:58:34 GMT -5
Oh come on everyone have a little trust in season eight. There is absolutley 100% no way EVER that Faith and Giles would get together. Neveeeer! Even if Faith (which I highly doubt it) was to make a move on Giles, he would shut her down and flee the room back to his cups of tea and books. Faith would not do that to Giles though, I know the whoel "mayor thing" was brought up but Faith has changed a lot since then. This is all just bad wording in the description for the issue...and if this is true consider my subscription canceled and my Faith in Joss seriously knocked.... But it's not true so nothing to worry about.
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Post by Emmie on Feb 20, 2009 12:17:03 GMT -5
Mogs, it definitely could be that the Minder mission in ABH didn't involve Giles helping with the info. So in that case, the last thing we see on the page of Buffy/Giles interaction is Buffy angrily confronting Giles about keeping her in the dark and Giles shutting her down and demanding to talk to Willow, not her.
That is basically what I've been saying all along - Buffy keeps trying to talk to Giles (even if it is to yell at him and demand an explanation, which considering Faith nearly drowned her, is very reasonable) and he keeps shutting her down by not returning phone calls or essentially telling her to be quiet and put Willow on the phone.
If anything, it feels like Giles cut off Buffy. Now I can imagine Buffy wouldn't want to talk to Giles after that, but that's because of the way he treated her in NFFY. This reminds me of Season 7 and I'm inferring that something similar happened here.
Buffy doesn't listen to Giles advice or more accurately, does listen but doesn't heed it because she disagrees. Giles gets more and more frustrated with her and eventually just preempts her input does things behind her back because he can't get her to jump on board (LMPTM). Buffy finds out about this, feels betrayed and angrily confronts Giles. Issues ensue.
In Season 8, I'm imaging that Buffy doesn't listen to, heed or even ask for Giles advice (the latter seems unlikely). They disagree on how to move forward, but Buffy is the leader so her decision carries more weight. Giles gets more and more frustrated with her policies and eventually just preempts her input and does things behind her back that he feels she won't agree to or shouldn't know about (NFFY). Buffy finds out about this, feels betrayed and angrily confronts Giles. Giles refuses to discuss it with Buffy. Buffy is hurt. Issues ensue.
Whedon Fan, I agree. This speculation about Faith/Giles is getting completely ludicrous. If anyone could offer some textual foreshadowing besides what Faith said about Giles being attractive in Season 3, I'd maybe entertain the thought. But its had no set-up at all.
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Post by hitnrun017 on Feb 20, 2009 13:33:31 GMT -5
I hope this is another one of those WatG Pt. 1 things, when Dark Horse leaves out a page of the preview and when we get the issue, Giles and Faith will be in bed together. I don't think it will happen. I don't want to happen, but "hookup" and "bedmates"? Those are really weird words to use, especially after the definition CowboyGuy posted.
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Post by iloveromy on Feb 20, 2009 13:38:35 GMT -5
I have an inkling that Jim Krueger was using the term "bedmates" figuratively rather than literally. I think it was used to describe their team dynamic more than their relationship.
Fingers crossed!
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Feb 20, 2009 13:53:07 GMT -5
I think the word he meant to use was "bedfellows." As in, "strange bedfellows."
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Post by vampmogs on Feb 22, 2009 5:18:37 GMT -5
Whedon Fan, I agree. This speculation about Faith/Giles is getting completely ludicrous. If anyone could offer some textual foreshadowing besides what Faith said about Giles being attractive in Season 3, I'd maybe entertain the thought. But its had no set-up at all. I actually don't think there necessarily has to be. Leaving aside that some people actually did get a shippy vibe from Faith/Giles in 'No Future For You' particularly in the moment when he sees her in the dress for the first time, we haven't seen them in months, perhaps even longer. A lot can happen in that time so it's actually not that bad if we were dropped in the middle, you'd expect there'd be plenty of developments in their relationship during that time that we weren't privy to witnessing. The key here is wether or not they could make it believable if they did reveal it to be the case and make us believed that it could happen as they spent so long just together bonding, that's the trick in a situation like this. But I agree it is very unlikely it is going to happen, the "bed mates" thing wouldn't bother me pretty much at all, and didn't, until I saw the "get the real story behind the Faith/Giles hookup!" banners Darkhorse are using to advertise the issue at the moment though. That's two interesting choices of words there and the idea of "get the real story" kind of insinuates something raunchy and scandalous is going on there. It reminds me of what you'd see on a trashy magazine.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Feb 22, 2009 9:42:06 GMT -5
Leaving aside that some people actually did get a shippy vibe from Faith/Giles in 'No Future For You' particularly in the moment when he sees her in the dress for the first time, All that proves is that Giles has a) functioning eyes, and b) a pulse. It's for sights like that he keeps his glasses so clean.
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Post by Whedon Fan on Feb 22, 2009 9:47:11 GMT -5
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Post by Morgan on Feb 28, 2009 21:35:44 GMT -5
Scott Allie just released the title of this issue, "Safe", in our ongoing Q&A, so I thought I'd open up the original discussion thread for this issue. This issue features the return of Faith and Giles as written by Jim Krueger. Cliff Richards returns as guest artist for this one-shot. Cover(s): (click for HQ Chen cover) Written by Jim Krueger, penciled by Cliff Richards, inked by Andy Owens, colored by Michelle Madsen, covers by Jo Chen and Georges Jeanty.[/size] Faith. Giles. Let's catch up!
In a one-shot issue, Krueger fleshes out the go-to girl for dirty deeds, Faith, and her new partner, Giles. After her last thankless escapade, where she put a stop to Buffy-hunting Slayer and kindred spirit Lady Gigi, Faith decided that though she's determined to be finished with bloodshed, she's not ready to leave misguided Slayers (like Gigi) with nowhere to turn. Fast-forward to the present . . . bloodshed still abounds, and the Faith-and-Giles team is still finding out what it really means to help those chosen to slay . . .
40 pages, $2.99, in stores on April 1.[/quote] Yes! I was hoping that Faith and Giles would get more face time. Personally, I'm still a little stunned that Buffy's apparently cut her 'father figure' Giles out of her life. Especially as I just watched 'Something Blue' and got a dose of 'real family'. I hope the story stays on Faith and Giles, and is devoted less to Buffy's centered on herself complex. [/quote] Agreed, agreed. I've never been a big fan of the character of Buffy. She has a tendency of having a double-standard when it comes to the moral lines that she draws that really grates on my nerves.
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Post by Morgan on Feb 28, 2009 21:39:42 GMT -5
I never read the prologues to be honest, so I never read that. Yet after NFFY Buffy was getting info from Giles for Anywhere But Here. Frankly there's no reason to go from ABH to WatG with "Buffy has cut off Giles". And from my understanding of the end of NFFY, it was Giles who cut off Buffy who was talking to him and demanded she put Willow on the phone. It's a two-way street here. Giles is keeping secrets from Buffy, Buffy is keeping secrets from Giles. They're both adults now and they're both responsible for that. And it's not like Giles has been shown to be *trying* to talk to Buffy at all. Where as Buffy has been shown to be *trying* quite hard to talk to Giles and only getting shut down because he doesn't return her calls or demands to talk to Willow instead of her. Buffy has a long history of cutting Giles off, so I'm not all that surprised by her behavior. It's just like I previously mentioned: she has a moral double-standard. When people don't meet up to her expectations or don't do as she says, she doesn't act like a rational adult.
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Post by Morgan on Feb 28, 2009 21:48:26 GMT -5
Sometimes I think everyone in the Buffyverse is going to have sex with everyone else in the Buffyverse before this season is over... if even a fraction of the speculation turns out to be true. I didn't see even the slightest flicker of sexual or romantic interest between Faith and Giles in NFFY. We also have to remember that some time has probably passed. Don't get me wrong, I'm not jumping on the shipping bandwagon, but I'm not going to have a problem if the storyline moves naturally to a deeper relationship. The Buffy/Satsu relationship felt forced IMO & didn't feel all that realistic. If they can successfully show a realistic Faith/Giles pairing, I won't have any beef with it. Sorry for so many posts in a row, but I'm trying to play catch up. :unsure:
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Post by Morgan on Feb 28, 2009 21:51:38 GMT -5
The Slayer Sanctuary is an absolutely inspired idea. And I never even thought about the ramifications of it being harder to be a slayer right now and how it would make girls want to quit. Haha, this is why I'm not a writer for Season 8! I'm too busy chewing the story they've already given me to think about where to take it next. I'm very excited for this issue. Does anyone else feel slightly bad for Buffy? I feel jealous of Giles an Faith's new closeness on her behalf. Nope. From the past experiences Giles has had with Buffy, I am happy he has been able to develop a partnership with Faith. And I'm happy that Faith has been able to find someone that she feels secure enough to watch her back. It says a lot considering her past history.
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Post by patxshand on Feb 28, 2009 22:14:53 GMT -5
I wouldn't say I feel bad for Buffy. I feel a bit bad for Giles, but mostly just about the situation. It's unfortunate that they've drifted, but it sadly rings true.
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Post by Vail on Mar 2, 2009 3:12:48 GMT -5
I just want to add that, providing Giles is like a father for Buffy, it'd be awesome if he was being "significant" with Faith, just to see the latter going all step-mother on Buffy!!
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Post by Morgan on Mar 2, 2009 13:30:09 GMT -5
I just want to add that, providing Giles is like a father for Buffy, it'd be awesome if he was being "significant" with Faith, just to see the latter going all step-mother on Buffy!! I've never seen Giles in a paternal light towards Buffy. I've always seen Giles attempt to develop a partnership with Buffy. In the early days Buffy would attempt to force-fit him into the role of father, but it never seemed to work w/ the characters dynamics. I just want to see a happy Giles & a Faith that has found some peace of mind. These two characters have been dumped on & abandoned many times & I would just like to see a successful partnership when we finally get to this issue.
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Post by Essentially Yours on Mar 6, 2009 15:43:07 GMT -5
I just want to add that, providing Giles is like a father for Buffy, it'd be awesome if he was being "significant" with Faith, just to see the latter going all step-mother on Buffy!! I've never seen Giles in a paternal light towards Buffy. I've always seen Giles attempt to develop a partnership with Buffy. In the early days Buffy would attempt to force-fit him into the role of father, but it never seemed to work w/ the characters dynamics. I just want to see a happy Giles & a Faith that has found some peace of mind. These two characters have been dumped on & abandoned many times & I would just like to see a successful partnership when we finally get to this issue. I agree. I consider Giles the most father-like figure that Buffy has in her life, but I don't see him as necessarily paternal. I felt like he was trying to build a partnership with Buffy as well. I'm reminded of watching "Restless". Although Giles dreams that Buffy is a daughter-like figure (or so she's represented by the younger clothes and attitude), if you watch closely he's initiating more watcher teachings than anything else. In the opening scene, he's explaining the roles of men and women to Buffy WHILE slowly swinging his is pocket "watch". Reinforcing that he's not just teaching her about life, he is her watcher. Then later when they are walking in a carnival, Buffy tries to hit the fake Dracula vampire. She misses. Giles get onto her. Buffy hits it. Giles does not offer any sort of positive remark. I think he says, "I've got no candy." Unlike a father, he isn't there to pamper Buffy or tell her to have fun. He is training her, being her watcher, even if she gets nothing in return. That's just my interpretation of the Buffy/Giles relationship. I understand that their relationship has softened a bit through the years, and they're also friends, but I still see their relationship as more of a partnership than anything else. That's just my opinion though.
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Post by Vail on Mar 11, 2009 2:02:50 GMT -5
I so don't share that same opinion. I mean, yes, Giles surely tried to be Buffy's friend and partner, but, specially after Joyce's death - mainly seasons 6 and 7 - Giles is portrayed quite openly as her last older relative. Say "Once more with feeling"'s song Stand has Giles saying "wish I could play the father" or sth like that, because that's what Buffy wants him to be or that's what she feels he is. In season 7's "Lies my parents told me"'s title clearly points towards Giles as a father. So, aside from what Giles or Buffy wanted their relationship to be at the beginning, seems clear at the end of the series that he's emotionally working KIND OF as her father, whether he likes it or not, at least at Buffy's and the writer's eyes.
Btw, my post tried to be a joke... damn my humour...
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