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Post by tms on Jan 3, 2009 16:52:09 GMT -5
Please, god no. Mr. Maclay returning would be just...bad. what if he returned and died?
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Post by wenxina on Jan 3, 2009 19:13:52 GMT -5
Please, god no. Mr. Maclay returning would be just...bad. what if he returned and died? And what would be the point of that? At the moment, the cast of characters is big enough that the addition of frivolity would hamper the quality of S8.
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Post by dane5by5 on Jan 5, 2009 3:09:45 GMT -5
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Post by hitnrun017 on Jan 5, 2009 6:59:17 GMT -5
Aw, poor Dawnie! I love how it's the complate opposite of Jo Chen's #4 cover. These changes are so weird! Metaphorically speaking, I understand the giantness and I understand the shrinky-ness... still have no idea what a centaur is suppose to represent.
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Post by witcher on Jan 5, 2009 7:14:17 GMT -5
Awwwwwwwwwww Dawn looks so cute!!! That is one of the best variants ever I just hope in the end all of her transformations have a connection to the main story...
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Post by Emmie on Jan 5, 2009 10:15:08 GMT -5
Well, it could still be metaphorical. Like how Buffy is being attacked by the tribble-ish monsters on #22's variant. Those monsters are in Tokyo but it's been suggested that them attacking Buffy is meant to symbolize them attacking the Slayer Organization. So it *could* still be metaphorical. ...or Dawn is now a tiny little puppet (wo)man.
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Post by magicegidius on Jan 5, 2009 11:46:56 GMT -5
It's a little bit... icky...
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Post by CowboyGuy on Jan 5, 2009 13:00:59 GMT -5
How funny! So I wonder if they'll buy her Barbie doll clothes now?
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Post by BennyTheKey on Jan 5, 2009 15:31:05 GMT -5
But...someone could just step on her?!. I would like to see the official cover!
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Post by butters666 on Jan 5, 2009 19:14:37 GMT -5
Wow, Dawn looks kinda creepy
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Post by tms on Jan 5, 2009 19:18:41 GMT -5
Notice how that image's a complete opposite of Issue 4, where we see Giant Dawn holding Buffy. Now it's normal sized buffy holding a shrunken Dawn.
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Post by Joe on Jan 5, 2009 19:20:07 GMT -5
Ehhh I don't want Dawn to be 4 inches tall!
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Post by tms on Jan 5, 2009 19:21:50 GMT -5
Ehhh I don't want Dawn to be 4 inches tall! Same, kinda. But I wanna see their gangs reaction to her being that short. and a doll. Maybe she'll end up sleeping in a dollhouse?
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Post by witcher on Jan 5, 2009 19:49:34 GMT -5
Well Dawn becoming small is not such hot peace of news!!! She always felt like she was small and insignificant in the gang. This is just making it more literal.. In that context it would make more sense if her first transformation was doll-sized and her last one was a giant. Time will tell what Joss has planned for her.. Or maybe someone has a time-machine.. a portal.. crystal ball.. anyone
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Post by tms on Jan 5, 2009 19:52:05 GMT -5
Well Dawn becoming small is not such hot peace of news!!! She always felt like she was small and insignificant in the gang. This is just making it more literal.. In that context it would make more sense if her first transformation was doll-sized and her last one was a giant. Time will tell what Joss has planned for her.. Or maybe someone has a time-machine.. a portal.. crystal ball.. anyone Well it could also be that her transformations were a giant ( big), a centaur ( normal size-ish)...now it looks like she's gonna be a doll ( small). One size to another.
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Post by Greer on Jan 5, 2009 22:16:17 GMT -5
Wow Dawnie is freakin' me out a little bit with the way that she looks in that variant cover. Even though it's small, her hair and head remind me of Sally from Nightmare Before Christmas. I wonder how long she'll be stuck like this...I'm interested to see the coloring!
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Post by dane5by5 on Jan 7, 2009 3:20:46 GMT -5
Well, it could still be metaphorical. Like how Buffy is being attacked by the tribble-ish monsters on #22's variant. Those monsters are in Tokyo but it's been suggested that them attacking Buffy is meant to symbolize them attacking the Slayer Organization. So it *could* still be metaphorical. ...or Dawn is now a tiny little puppet (wo)man. That's a possibility, although it hasn't been confirmed that Buffy will not be in issue #22. She already has a small part in "Harmonic Divergence" as we know from the preview. So she could have a cameo in issue #22 also, where she is attacked by the Furby army. What actually makes me think this cover will occur in the issue, is that as other people have noticed, this cover is an exact replica of #4 cover with Dawn and Buffy's role reversed, Whedon loves the role reversal technique. That with the title, leads me to think this is how Dawn's final transformation will play out. I have a theory on Dawn's situation now, it's all about self acceptance. After she slept with Kenny's roommate, she wanted attention and felt like no one noticed her (including Kenny's roommate?), so she became a giant, and instant attention and lots of it! Then she felt like a freak and abnormal, then, centaur! With a side of freakiness. Then she felt insignificant and tiny, worthless maybe, and then she's a tiny doll. As another post noted Dawn's always felt insecure about Buffy and all her friends. So I think Dawn's situation is one big allegory for self acceptance, which also brings the humor, in a typical Whedon way. Her feelings are manifesting through herself. Dawn does look like Pinocchio, so soon she'll be a real girl again? Let's hope. While I've enjoyed her character arc, it will be nice to have normal Dawn back. She was just starting to define her role in the Scooby Gang in Season Seven.
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Post by Emmie on Jan 7, 2009 19:37:36 GMT -5
Got some new info about the Jo Chen cover for this issue in the ongoing Scott Allie Q&A for #21 Harmonic Divergence: 1. queeroid: Seeing Georges' cover for Living Doll got me thinking... do the artists come up with the cover concepts, are they given by the issue writers/Joss/PTB? And is there any interaction between the two artists? Jo likes this cover idea, so she gets to draw it/Georges likes that cover idea, so he gets to draw it?
Scott Allie: It varies. This one was Joss's idea. I think. It may have been Doug's. At one point the idea was to have Jo do this one, because she'd done the cover to Buffy #4 that it was based on. But Doug pitched the Dawn and Thricewise cover, the romance-novel cover, and we figured that would be better for Jo. Often we don't pitch an idea to Georges; we tell him what the story is, and he gives us ten or twenty cover sketches to choose from. Then we pick a few of them, and tell him to do whichever one he likes best. With Jo, we almost always pitch a specific idea, but it might come from me, Sierra, Joss, or the writer.
So the Jo Chen cover is going to be a Dawn and Thricewise cover. Kenny? He's in this issue? At least, it's new to me.
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Post by wenxina on Jan 7, 2009 20:16:53 GMT -5
Regarding your spoiler-ific news (which is totally new to me too), I'm uber-excited about that cover. "Romance-novel cover" sounds amazingly enticing! Well, unless of course, Allie was referring to another cover, but given that the next arc is Oz-centric, I'd venture a guess that he had to mean the #25 cover.
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Post by Giant Michael on Jan 7, 2009 20:50:39 GMT -5
I really hope the Thricewise-cover idea means we're going to get some backstory at last - I like what they've done with Dawn, but how long has it been now? In real time, I mean? I want one of the story threads to be tied up soon, and this one seems the most likely. It's starting to get old, too...
MB x
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