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Post by CowboyGuy on Dec 2, 2007 8:25:07 GMT -5
Dude, it's a continuity blooper. Let it go. Yeah, it pretty much is. My take/preference/the way I see it (lol) is that the "Normal Again" world is simply an alternate dimension in the same vein as "The Wish" dimension. A normal Buffy cannot exist at the same time as Slayer Buffy, so Slayer Buffy's doppleganger is the mental patient. And when Slayer Buffy dies, the one in the alternate dimension accordingly "wakes up". Think of it like a balance.
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Post by Lukee on Dec 2, 2007 9:53:28 GMT -5
I like your theory CowboyGuy
Theres going to be little bloopers like this in a show, they cant go back and edit the bloopers like you can in comics and such so they have to make them work. I think Joyce could have really just selective memory'd that memory. She sent her own child to the nut house i think she could have felt so bad the only way to stop that feeling is to try and forget. And when Buffy told her she was the slayer Joyce still didn't want to believe it. She still didn't in season 3 she though Buffy could just not be a slayer.
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Post by alycat7 on Jan 2, 2008 12:56:54 GMT -5
or maybe joyce did remember about the institution but didn't have time to discuss it with buffy. buffy kinda sprung it on her and then left to fight angel.
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Post by lee on Jan 4, 2008 1:22:08 GMT -5
This ep always bothered me a little. On the one hand I love it. It was a great story. On the other hand I hate being left hanging like that where you're wondering - "Is she there?" "Is Buffy the Vampire Slayer all a delusion?" "NO!" Yeah, that drove me nuts. And I have to agree that the institution comment is weird. I never really thought about it before, but Joyce would surely have said something about it when she realized who Buffy was. If for nothing else but to say she was sorry for not believeing her. Trust me. I'm a mom. We have lots of guilt.
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Post by CowboyGuy on Jan 4, 2008 17:55:17 GMT -5
I would care only because I feel that it would be a cop-out to the story.
In Alice & Wonderland we knew all along that it was make believe/dream. This has presented itself for years as "reality" and in one episode they want to make it be an "Oops it was all a dream and you were there...and you were there...and you were there too!" kinda thing.
I just take it as both are reality, the nutcase Buffy is in an alternate world like The Wish.
If it's true, and Buffy is living in her own imagination....then I guess the entire show Angel is in Buffy's mind too.
You know...she dreamed up people for Angel to interact with...and everything that happened in the five seasons of that show too!
Wow Buffy's mind must be very complex to think about ALL THAT and remember everything/connect plot points, etc. Crazy Buffy MUST use more of her brain than normal people! She's a genius! LOL
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Post by Lukee on Jan 5, 2008 9:42:01 GMT -5
Unless you were aware of Alice In Wonderland before you read it/saw it, you didn't know she was dreaming. She doesn't fall asleep in the beginning. Same with Wizard Of Oz. And in both of those stories, the reader gets to choose if it was real or not. You don't think Buffy could come up with all of it? Joss came up with a hell of a lot, why couldn't Buffy? I myself have written 60 chapters of a fantasy series for a friend, with hundreds and hundreds of characters and unique storylines. It even has it's own spin-off, hahaha. When you put your mind to it, you really can make you own universe. It wasn't as if Joss gave us this totally realistic world, and then went "Ha ha, it might all just be a dream!". It'd be totally realistic to find out it was a dream, it's not like that show Dallas. Its very different to make up a character and write a story about them then to make up a whole new world in your head. Buffy wouldn't be able to do that. She would have to think what everyone in Buffy verse and Angel verse are doing at the same time. What each one was thinking doing. We don't use all our brain so theres no way in hell she would beable to think up everything that has happened in Buffy as we have seen it. IMO I think of it more of a different universe like CBG, the trio could have just tapped into that some how and such with that demon. We know it couldn't have been all the demons fault as Buffy took the cure yet we saw the other Buffy and Joyce and such in the nut house.
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Post by henzINNIT on Jan 5, 2008 10:04:52 GMT -5
To say that Buffy created the world that Angel currently inhabbits in her head is pushing it I think. All the stuff he experienced while Buffy was away, the stuff Buffy doesn't know about, the stuff that happened while Buffy was dead; this was all conjured in the mind of a crazy girl who also lives a full day to day fictional life in her mind. Nah man It's not something I'd like to believe in either. It's ficiton either way, I prefer the fantastic life of a slayer to the brain farts of a crazy person. In terms of reality and its perception, Matrix > Buffy anyway lol
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Post by Lukee on Jan 5, 2008 10:11:59 GMT -5
If a writing staff can come up with it, why is it impossible for Buffy to come up with it? Like I said, Buffy doesn't have to know EVERYTHING that has happened. She only has to know what we've seen. Because that would mean Buffy would have had to have created every single minor detail that we saw. Think of a comic book hero who can create different illusion for some one to see it takes a lot out of them so for Buffy to have created this illusion in her head 24/7 it would be impossible for her to keep up for 7 years [counting her time in LA]
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Post by Lukee on Jan 5, 2008 10:37:29 GMT -5
They said that she came out of this 'made up world' when she died for the second time. Thats about the only time she did. And if she was too keep this up for 24/7 it would be killing her surly. Having a one night dream that is very vivid is very different to making a whole new world up for years.
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Post by Lukee on Jan 5, 2008 11:01:55 GMT -5
We only know what the show showed us. Maybe her mind just went blank when the show cut to credits, until the next "episode" started up. I don't think her mind worked it like a t.v show would be kindda silly Its hard to do more then a few things at the same time. So imagine how hard it would be to imagine what everyone is doing at the same time, what there thinking saying acting. The theres imagining allot he details of the rooms the demons etc. I think its way to complex for Buffy to think up. She was what 15 16? when she was sent to the nut house its way to complex for someone that young to think up :\ imo
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Post by lee on Jan 5, 2008 12:20:17 GMT -5
It's not hard to dream nor does it take a lot out of someone physically to create fantasies. For someone in a mental institution - like say someone who is completely delusional like Buffy was supposed to be in Normal Again - it't a natural function of their brain to create fantasy and delusions. There is nothing mystical or physically taxing about it. The world would only be in her head and no where else.
That being said, I don't think Buffy created the whole thing; as in the worlds of Buffy and Angel. It was just a clever episode that apparently did a great job getting everyone talking about it.
And I don't think any of it is too complex for anyone to think up. It came from the minds of people not from some mystical vortex. People made it up. Buffy is a person and her brain has the capabilities to create stories just like anyone.
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