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Post by Emmie on May 15, 2008 20:03:53 GMT -5
I think its pretty obvious he started losing the accent since it started changing around season 7 buffy and season 5 angel. And the only thing I can connect it to is that ASH wasn't around. James Marsters talked about how ASH helped him with his Cockney accent since he used a more Southern-esque accent in 'School Hard'.
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Post by Rachster on May 15, 2008 20:19:24 GMT -5
Oh i have another thing Tara's dress in omwf was horrible! it was like she was pretending to be a princess or something and i always think those guys who were checking out the hotness of her were actually looking at the craziness of her princess dress
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Post by Jsebold87 on May 15, 2008 21:31:18 GMT -5
If we are dealing with gripes,here's my top gripes for each show. 1.The lack of anything of Buffy dealing with the attempted rape from S6 in S7.Even a half-assed attempt would have been better than nothing. 2.Connor.I actually liked him in S5 Angel,but otherwise,a very annoying character. My others are kind of minor gripes,depending on my mood on that particular day. I hate that they didn't address how Buffy dealed with the attempted rape either. That was such crap. I still think that is one of the most horrifyingly real scenes on BTVS. Which is why I don't ship Buffy/Spike. I thought Connor was annoying in some respects, but rewatching the seasons really helped me understand his character better, and now he's one of my favorites. |
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Post by Enisy on May 15, 2008 23:05:44 GMT -5
1.The lack of anything of Buffy dealing with the attempted rape from S6 in S7.Even a half-assed attempt would have been better than nothing. They mentioned it a good few times in Beneath You (during Buffy and Spike's team-up, then in the Bronze, then in the church scene), indirectly in Help and Selfless, a couple of times in Him (plus Buffy's flinch), once more in Conversations with Dead People (especially in the uncut shooting script), and Touched was an obvious "answer" to it. I would have liked for the writers to deal with it in a more brave and straightforward fashion, but at the same time, I understand why they didn't -- it might have made Buffy come off as a hypocrite, considering her instant forgiveness of Angel for his soulless self's crimes against her and her friends, and Giles's erstwhile lecture that we don't forgive people because they deserve it, but because they need it. I think its pretty obvious he started losing the accent since it started changing around season 7 buffy and season 5 angel. And the only thing I can connect it to is that ASH wasn't around. James Marsters talked about how ASH helped him with his [censored!]ney accent since he used a more Southern-esque accent in 'School Hard'. Tony wasn't around in Season 6, either, and James's accent was fine there. |
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on May 16, 2008 1:16:20 GMT -5
I know everyone was high on Jasmine and full of giggly joy and love, but still, Angel's yellow-and-white striped shirt in "Shiny Happy People" was a bit much...
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Post by Emmie on May 16, 2008 4:32:49 GMT -5
I know everyone was high on Jasmine and full of giggly joy and love, but still, Angel's yellow-and-white striped shirt in "Shiny Happy People" was a bit much... That shirt was awful! |
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Post by Emmie on May 16, 2008 4:36:27 GMT -5
I think its pretty obvious he started losing the accent since it started changing around season 7 buffy and season 5 angel. And the only thing I can connect it to is that ASH wasn't around. James Marsters talked about how ASH helped him with his [censored!]ney accent since he used a more Southern-esque accent in 'School Hard'. Tony wasn't around in Season 6, either, and James's accent was fine there. And maybe it took half a season for it to devolve, as ASH was there for the first half. I just know that James' relied on ASH to refine his pronounciation and lines since ASH's natural speaking voice was closest to the character of Spike. Plus its easier to tap into an accent when you're around someone speaking like that. ASH's absence might have contributed to it. |
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Post by mattitudev2 on May 16, 2008 10:47:06 GMT -5
"Get off, super bitch!"--no explanation needed...
...but I think I'll give one anyway.
I think that was THE absolute silliest thing I've ever heard on either show. I don't get the impression that this was intended to be funny in any way, because we were in a very tense moment where Buffy is actually fighting Willow and we're supposed to feel like anything could happen with Willow's wellbeing. Then she says that, and I feel like any sense of seriousness or credibility just went right out the window.
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Post by Enisy on May 16, 2008 11:04:45 GMT -5
To be fair, Buffy did call Glory "Hellbitch" in Blood Ties...
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Post by BenTaylor3907 on May 16, 2008 11:09:51 GMT -5
I know it was intentional and everything, yada yada yada, but... Tara's stutter. Goodness gracious, made me cringe every single time. Tara stuttered? |
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Post by Mathieu on May 16, 2008 11:16:14 GMT -5
"Get off, super bitch!"--no explanation needed... ...but I think I'll give one anyway. I think that was THE absolute silliest thing I've ever heard on either show. I don't get the impression that this was intended to be funny in any way, because we were in a very tense moment where Buffy is actually fighting Willow and we're supposed to feel like anything could happen with Willow's wellbeing. Then she says that, and I feel like any sense of seriousness or credibility just went right out the window. I don't know why, but I absolutely loved that line!!! A classic. |
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Post by mattitudev2 on May 16, 2008 11:16:18 GMT -5
To be fair, Buffy did call Glory "Hellbitch" in Blood Ties... For some reason, when Buffy says things like that, they fit. But I feel like Willow was suddenly presented as the most threatening thing we've ever come across. She was more powerful than ever, she was hellbent on destruction, she was just over the edge. And then the most clever, hurtful thing she can come up with is "Super bitch". LOL! Just the timing in the scene, the way it was said and the line itself just felt so out of place to me. |
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Post by Wyndam on May 16, 2008 12:16:12 GMT -5
I know it was intentional and everything, yada yada yada, but... Tara's stutter. Goodness gracious, made me cringe every single time. Tara stuttered? Yeah, earlier on whenever she got nervous or frightened, she would stutter some. I think she grew out of it by Season 6 though. |
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Post by hitnrun017 on May 16, 2008 12:24:20 GMT -5
I agree that "super-bitch" is a little cringe worthy, mostly because of the way Alyson delivers the line, but on page it's actually quite spectacular. Warren called Buffy a "super-bitch" in Seeing Red, which would represent that Willow has sunk as low as Warren.
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Post by ded1 on May 17, 2008 9:26:23 GMT -5
1.The lack of anything of Buffy dealing with the attempted rape from S6 in S7.Even a half-assed attempt would have been better than nothing. They mentioned it a good few times in Beneath You (during Buffy and Spike's team-up, then in the Bronze, then in the church scene), indirectly in Help and Selfless, a couple of times in Him (plus Buffy's flinch), once more in Conversations with Dead People (especially in the uncut shooting script), and Touched was an obvious "answer" to it. I would have liked for the writers to deal with it in a more brave and straightforward fashion, but at the same time, I understand why they didn't -- it might have made Buffy come off as a hypocrite, considering her instant forgiveness of Angel for his soulless self's crimes against her and her friends, and Giles's erstwhile lecture that we don't forgive people because they deserve it, but because they need it. Perhaps,due to personal experience,I am biased on this topic(I stopped a rape attempt on a very good friend of mine)I just felt that they didn't give it the attention that it deserved.It was the most personal attack on Buffy in the seven seasons of the show,and it deserved more weight than the writers gave it(I'm sorry,but a flinch from Buffy and a couple of mentions here and there just didn't cut it for me) I did consider the hypocrisy angle for a while,forgiving Angel after the Angelus situation and all but eventually rejected it.Angelus's attacks,while deadly,were motivated by evil,while Spike's was motivated by obsessive love/lust.Had Buffy been more mature in S2(she was only 17)then,I think that Angelus would have been staked at the mall instead of her letting him go. Also(and I feel that this was the biggest factor for Buffy forgiving Angel)was Buffy's own guilt for her part in Angelus's reign of terror.If she couldn't forgive Angel,then how could she forgive herself.(if you want to argue on Buffy's guilt,then watch "I Only Have Eyes For You") Consider one more thing:Faith.Buffy wasn't willing to forgive Faith for what she did(yes,she was able to work with Faith,but I didn't get the feeling that she forgave her) As I stated above,I do have a personal bias regarding this topic.I just feel that with the seriousness of the topic,they needed to have a more straight-forward resolution,and the fact that they didn't bothered me. |
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Post by Enisy on May 17, 2008 10:22:52 GMT -5
I did consider the hypocrisy angle for a while,forgiving Angel after the Angelus situation and all but eventually rejected it.Angelus's attacks,while deadly,were motivated by evil,while Spike's was motivated by obsessive love/lust. Spike's love was so obsessive only because he was -- you guessed it -- evil. That Spike's motive was possessiveness and Angelus's was sadism is irrelevant, since lack of a moral compass is the actual reason for both vampires' attacks. It's the same for Spike/Buffy. She also, on some level, felt responsible/guilty for pushing him to such extremes (the bathroom incident and especially the soul). That's part of the reason she was "coddling" him (to use Spike's term) in Season 7, as I see it. From Joss's shooting script of Conversations with Dead People: Buffy: The relationships, I know it's not their fault. I'm not really sure how they put up with me. The last guy I was with, it got really... I behaved like a monster. Treated him like... And her "Oh my God, I broke him" expression in the church scene in Beneath You is unmistakable. For the record, I don't feel Buffy should be held responsible for the attempted rape -- aside from the responsibilities that come with her involvement with someone who's a loaded pistol of "sex and death and pain and love", and the responsibilities that come with lowering her guard around him (wearing the handcuffs in Dead Things; not thinking him capable of the eggs scheme in As You Were; trusting him enough that he surprised her with the attempted rape in Seeing Red; etc). I don't even feel she should be held entirely responsible for the soul. I'm just saying I got the impression that that's how she felt. Buffy wasn't close to Faith on the same level that she was to Spike and Angel ("most important men in her life", Joss called them), and her issues with Spike and Angel were not rooted in antagonism, as with Faith. There's bound to be some bias there. (And even so, I did see a certain amount of forgiveness in Season 7, even though it wasn't spelled out.) Like I said, I would have also liked a more straightforward approach to the attempted rape in Season 7. I just concede that it was a dicey subject for the writers, and that they dealt with it at least moderately well, since Spike/Buffy is still one of the most popular 'ships in the 'verse (up there with Angel/Spike, Angel/Buffy, Willow/Tara and Wesley/Fred). |
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on May 17, 2008 18:43:15 GMT -5
- I get so sick of hearing the phrase "We're special" in "Angel" S4.  - I get nearly as sick (in the same season) of the term "champion". Way over-used in that particular year. - If Adam was supposed to be a state-of-the-art, cyber-demon thingie, wouldn't you think they'd build him with a CD- or DVD-ROM drive, and not a 3.5" floppy drive? It was 1999, but come on--we'd advanced beyond 3.5" disks by then. |
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Post by hitnrun017 on May 17, 2008 18:49:46 GMT -5
Some more:
-The last five minutes of Grave, save Willow-Xander and Spike getting soul, was one of the cheesiest things on the show.
-I watched You're Welcome again yesterday, and I can't go over how bad the line, "I'm Angel. I beat the bad guys" is.
-Principal Snyder being eaten.
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Post by Emmie on May 17, 2008 19:05:42 GMT -5
Some more: -I watched You're Welcome again yesterday, and I can't go over how bad the line, "I'm Angel. I beat the bad guys" is. -Principal Snyder being eaten. Yes! That line was just bad. I liked Snyder getting eaten as it harkened back to Jurassic Park and the T-Rex eating the lawyer. |
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Post by Mathieu on May 18, 2008 11:35:18 GMT -5
Some more: -The last five minutes of Grave, save Willow-Xander and Spike getting soul, was one of the cheesiest things on the show. I have to agree with that. i never liked the very ending of Grave. It was like huge apocalypse and then "remember the yellow pencils?" and then "oh, well i'm gonna drop that end of the world thing". And the last scene with Spike was annoying. Maybe due to the fact I don't like Spike. |
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