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Post by Tyler Austin "tiewashere" on May 10, 2009 18:23:02 GMT -5
Not one scene or line feels as though it's filler and it all is there for a reason. Not many movies can accomplish this and still be entertaining and long enough for a standard movie length. Excellent job on Joss and the writers parts!
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Post by deathisyourgift on May 10, 2009 20:21:57 GMT -5
Agreed, very enthusiastically agreed! I just watched this movie again recently and I ALWAYS get caught up in it, no matter what is going on around me, which is hard to do because I get easily distracted lol. This movie was definitely well thought out and made with love. I think that the show was so good because of the writing and acting, so really they couldn't go wrong with the movie, except that instead of just being awesome, it is SUPERB. lovelovelovelovelove Serenity Karma for creating this topic just to say that you like the movie lol. -Jen
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Post by Tyler Austin "tiewashere" on May 10, 2009 23:15:51 GMT -5
I was re-watching this today for the second time (the first time involving many "what the hells?" during the first 45 minutes before anything is answered) and I really got why each scene was there in the beginning. Especially the first battle with the reavers and the beginning where the children are fighting about the reavers.
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Post by Lotus on May 11, 2009 4:07:24 GMT -5
I remember watching this movie before i had watched or even heard about the series and i was completely lost. From the standpoint of someone who isnt familiar with the series or the theme it can be somewhat confusing and a tad intimidating to follow.
However, after watching the series (which i loved) and then re-watching the movie i can say that i agree with you guys totally. The transition to the big screen felt fluid to me and It was an extremely tight script that reintroduces us to the cast we love and places us back into that comfort zone we grew to appreciate with the series.
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Post by The Night Lord on May 11, 2009 4:56:43 GMT -5
I saw this movie without even hearing about Firefly. I just knew it was made by Joss, who made Buffy and Angel (which I hadn't even seen by that point) and I thought it was an awesome movie from the very start. I find it a very good movie overall ;D
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Post by gumgnome on May 11, 2009 5:22:57 GMT -5
I know i'm in the minority, but here is why I don't like Serenity: The main plot point about why everyone is after River. In the series we get the really creepy guys who melt people's brains and wear blue gloves. They're willing to travel across the galaxy to stop whatever it is that River knows. In Serenity we found out that she's discovered the truth about some colony somewhere in the verse that's been hit badly by Reavers. Wow! What a conspiracy! They'd never get away with that one. These guys are like the frigging Empire: they won the war, they can do pretty much whatever they want, but this will bring them down - I don't think so. Shepherd Book: I can't imagine anyone disagreeing with this one. Way to take an awesome secondary character with a dark past and interesting part and boil him down to a simple morality/wise man character and then kill him off, off-frigging-screen! No! Not cool! Somewhat like toying with my emotions! Wash: Why? Why does Wash die? There's no catharsis in the plot in the way he dies. He just dies. It feels very much to me like the writers thought, "Well, this is the end. Isn't it kind of realistic from an attritional, we just had the final battle kind of thing for someone to die? Yeah, let's choose.......hmmm....Wash. Yeah, he'll do. Kill Wash." Again, toying with my fragile emotional state. Basically, I just think that Serenity is the watered down, paint-by-numbers version of Firefly made for the audience that rejected the awesomeness of the show. It is one of the very few DVDs that I have bought and disliked enough to throw away and I have absolutely no intention of watching it again. Long live Firefly! Down with Serenity!
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Post by The Night Lord on May 11, 2009 5:27:20 GMT -5
I guess with Wash's death, we all know that couples don't live happily ever after in the Jossverse. Course, I didn't know this at the time, but I do now
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Post by Tyler Austin "tiewashere" on May 11, 2009 21:38:59 GMT -5
I know i'm in the minority, but here is why I don't like Serenity: The main plot point about why everyone is after River. In the series we get the really creepy guys who melt people's brains and wear blue gloves. They're willing to travel across the galaxy to stop whatever it is that River knows. In Serenity we found out that she's discovered the truth about some colony somewhere in the verse that's been hit badly by Reavers. Wow! What a conspiracy! They'd never get away with that one. These guys are like the frigging Empire: they won the war, they can do pretty much whatever they want, but this will bring them down - I don't think so. Shepherd Book: I can't imagine anyone disagreeing with this one. Way to take an awesome secondary character with a dark past and interesting part and boil him down to a simple morality/wise man character and then kill him off, off-frigging-screen! No! Not cool! Somewhat like toying with my emotions! Wash: Why? Why does Wash die? There's no catharsis in the plot in the way he dies. He just dies. It feels very much to me like the writers thought, "Well, this is the end. Isn't it kind of realistic from an attritional, we just had the final battle kind of thing for someone to die? Yeah, let's choose.......hmmm....Wash. Yeah, he'll do. Kill Wash." Again, toying with my fragile emotional state. Basically, I just think that Serenity is the watered down, paint-by-numbers version of Firefly made for the audience that rejected the awesomeness of the show. It is one of the very few DVDs that I have bought and disliked enough to throw away and I have absolutely no intention of watching it again. Long live Firefly! Down with Serenity! Sheperd Book's part was cut down mainly because the actor didn't want a large part. Wash died to give the feeling of "Oh no, they're all going to die!" Without Wash dying, I would not have had any sense of danger in the final battle. It insured the sense that no one was safe.
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Post by gumgnome on May 12, 2009 5:53:44 GMT -5
I understand what you're saying, but for me Wash' death doesn't make me feel like they're all going to die. It happens so suddenly and out of nowhere that it doesn't even seem to fit the rest of the scene for me, almost more like Cassie's death at the end of Help - the action is over, but someone's gonna die.
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Post by Tyler Austin "tiewashere" on May 12, 2009 12:28:04 GMT -5
But the action WASN'T over...
and it sure as hell had me flipping out for the death of any OTHER characters. It's also more realistic if someone dies.
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Post by lightandmagic on May 15, 2009 12:50:04 GMT -5
I really have to agree with gumgnome, I enjoy Serenity for the sole sake that it's more to the universe. And I think as far as movies go, it's a decent film, but compared to the series it's just nowhere near as good. I didn't like how the Hands of Blue were not included in the film, as they made a way more compelling, unique and interesting villian than the Operative, who I found trite and cliched. I loved that we figured out what made Reavers and I thought it was an interesting backstory to them. But, it didn't really explain how more Reavers are made, I mean yes, in the episode Bushwhacked it shows that people they leave alive become Reavers because it's the only way they know how to handle it (which I thought was just kind of dumb in the first place) but there's no way Reavers could become as large as a froce as they did with that being the only "conversion" method. I think something more should have been done to explain that.
I didn't like how they explained Simon rescuing River from the institution, it did not correlate with the series at all. Why would he shove her in a box at some point, just for laughs? I also don't think it was really appropriate for his character, didn't really suit him. I mean, remember how bad he is at making up cover stories and lying, such as in Jaynestown. I don't think he's a weak-willed person, but rather that he wouldn't pull it off as he wouldn't be able to hide his true intentions very well.
There should have been at least some mention of the Blue Sun Corporation, I dont think it was really mentioned once, and with such heavy allusions in the series about it being incredibly critical and important to River and her backstory as well as other things, they should have at least mentioned it.
I don't know, I liked the film, but it just doesn't really fit with the series all that well on some points, and is just nowhere near as good as the series. I think Joss works much better on TV, where he can slowly expand the universe and characters, rather than a movie, which is very one-shot, this is what it is, and these are the people, type thing. That being said, if he decided randomly to make another one, I would be there in a heartbeat.
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Post by Nicholas on May 17, 2009 22:50:40 GMT -5
Yeah, I can agree there. I felt that the flow went perfectly and it didnt have any moments that felt either forced and slow.
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Post by VampSlayer on May 19, 2009 19:00:05 GMT -5
Yes, the movie was amazing! I loved every moment of it! ;D
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Post by meliafairy on Jun 5, 2009 17:24:31 GMT -5
The main plot point about why everyone is after River. In the series we get the really creepy guys who melt people's brains and wear blue gloves. They're willing to travel across the galaxy to stop whatever it is that River knows. In Serenity we found out that she's discovered the truth about some colony somewhere in the verse that's been hit badly by Reavers. Wow! What a conspiracy! They'd never get away with that one. These guys are like the frigging Empire: they won the war, they can do pretty much whatever they want, but this will bring them down - I don't think so. Gumgnome I have to say maybe you should watch the movie one more time. River doesn't discover a planet that has been "hit" by Reavers. River discovers that the terraforming that is being done to the planets (not just the planet they go to in the movie) is killing off pretty much everyone on the planet. Only a small percent become Reavers. The majority of the people just laid down and died. If the Alliance had just made a mistake on one planet then I would agree with you. The movie gives the impression that the same terraforming is happening elsewhere. The Reavers are one of the "big baddies" from the movie. Everyone is scared of them and no one knows where they came from. Imagine the revolt if people knew that the government was responsible for the whole thing.
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Post by diabeticdude202 on Jun 5, 2009 22:11:24 GMT -5
I loved this movie as well. Wash's death was a surprise. I can't remember how the movie ends...grrr...can someone remind me ... please??? I can't find the dvd lol....
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