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Post by ambersknight on May 26, 2009 14:20:10 GMT -5
But you are presuming that without Joss the film would not be respectful? You don't have any proof to back that statement up cos the film hasn't been written, viewed, filimed, cast or even fully greenlighted yet upon which to make that determination.
You may be right in the long run, but i say its too early to make that call.
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Post by PJ on May 26, 2009 14:23:12 GMT -5
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Post by Just Willow on May 26, 2009 14:24:13 GMT -5
@ Ambersknight:
no it wouldn't. they're taking it away form him without permission, and no matter how good it is, that's not respectful.
i hope they never make it, adn if they do, i hope if fails.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on May 26, 2009 14:25:06 GMT -5
Buffy is bigger than Joss, that is simply a fact. No, it's an opinion. These are all opinions. The only one determining any actual facts will be the court. My favorite comment on this so far is from Perez Hilton: "The widely popular TV series (based on a little-seen sh***y film), Buffy the Vampire Slayer, may be making a comeback to the big screen, but without the help of anyone who made it worth watching."
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Post by Rebecca on May 26, 2009 14:25:33 GMT -5
As I have said, Andrew, the Buffy brand is bigger than Joss, it really is. It can survive without him. I would love him to do a Buffy movie, cos when he is on song he is a gifted writer, but he's not the only one. How can Joss or anyone else involved with the show be sickened about a Buffy reboot that hasn't even been written yet, let alone cast and filmed? i really don't get this animosity. But you are judging a project not on what has been done but on a presumption of failure due to the fact Joss would not be involved. This simply doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Its irrational. Buffy is bigger than Joss, that is simply a fact. They are not linked other than he is the creator but like any work of art it has grown beyond the simple concept and is its own self. As long as the writing and acting and production is up there, the people writing it and producing it are irrelevant. If I might ask, where in the *#&$ did you get the idea that Buffy is bigger than Joss? What evidence do you have backing this opinion?
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Post by ambersknight on May 26, 2009 14:26:06 GMT -5
Gona stop posting on this thread cos reading all this irrational reaction to something that hasn't even happened yet is just bloody depressing.
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Post by Nicholas on May 26, 2009 14:28:01 GMT -5
This is total crap and we should do something to make sure this doesn't happen. Those fuckers deserve no respect, and what they did with Joss, when it came to having their name put on each episode yet having no involvement? They are trash and don't deserve anything.
BAN THIS FROM HAPPENING
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Post by Just Willow on May 26, 2009 14:28:10 GMT -5
As I have said, Andrew, the Buffy brand is bigger than Joss, it really is. It can survive without him. I would love him to do a Buffy movie, cos when he is on song he is a gifted writer, but he's not the only one. But you are judging a project not on what has been done but on a presumption of failure due to the fact Joss would not be involved. This simply doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Its irrational. Buffy is bigger than Joss, that is simply a fact. They are not linked other than he is the creator but like any work of art it has grown beyond the simple concept and is its own self. As long as the writing and acting and production is up there, the people writing it and producing it are irrelevant. If I might ask, where in the *#&$ did you get the idea that Buffy is bigger than Joss? What evidence do you have backing this opinion? yeah, i'd like to know that too. Gona stop posting on this thread cos reading all this irrational reaction to something that hasn't even happened yet is just bloody depressing. best idea you've had all day. This is total crap and we should do something to make sure this doesn't happen. Those fuckers deserve no respect, and what they did with Joss, when it came to having their name put on each episode yet having no involvement? They are trash and don't deserve anything. BAN THIS FROM HAPPENING hell yeah!
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Post by AndrewCrossett on May 26, 2009 14:30:27 GMT -5
Gona stop posting on this thread cos reading all this irrational reaction to something that hasn't even happened yet is just bloody depressing. Sorry, man, but most of the people on here are Joss fans as much as Buffy fans. We love Buffy because of the vision Joss had for her and the way he carried it out. He created her, he developed her, she lives inside his head. Without him, Buffy is a cardboard cutout.
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Post by Wyndam on May 26, 2009 14:30:52 GMT -5
It's not an irrational reaction when you look at recent trends in Hollywood and realize the only purpose this movie is serving is to make a quick buck on recent reemergence of Vampire popularity in Hollywood, coupled with the fact that reboots are "in" right now. Those factors + no involvement from ANYONE that made Buffy the icon that is is = a massive, epic FAILURE waiting to happen.
And just flexing my modly muscles here for a second, but everyone please remember to stay cordial. I understand that people have different opinions about this subject, but if you disagree, then please don't encourage them to stop posting or leave this thread. That sort of behavior will not be tolerated. Healthy debate is fine, even arguing is fine, but personal attacks are not.
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Post by Just Willow on May 26, 2009 14:37:46 GMT -5
oh......my bad, Wynd.
amber, come back! now hat you're gone we have nothing to debate about!
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Post by Paul on May 26, 2009 14:39:28 GMT -5
Because Buffy the Vampire Slayer is his baby and has been for 15 years. You might not get that, but the vast majority of the fandom... and I daresay almost everyone involved in the show... does. Joss and Buffy are inextricably linked. That's just the way it is. Taking Buffy away from him would be j ust wrong.Okay, I have massive amounts of respect for Joss Whedon and his authority over Buffy canon. I don't count Aftermath as canon because of Joss' lack of involvement. But if someone wants to take the Buffy franchise and do their own thing with it separate from Joss' canon, that's fine with me. The best analogy I can think of is still James Bond; created by Ian Fleming, he's Fleming's baby, and only the Fleming novels are offical canon. But the films and expanded universe novels are still absolutely wothwhile parts of the franchise. The Bond series grew beyond Fleming, and there's no reason Buffy can't grow beyond Joss.
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Post by Just Willow on May 26, 2009 14:42:58 GMT -5
Because Buffy the Vampire Slayer is his baby and has been for 15 years. You might not get that, but the vast majority of the fandom... and I daresay almost everyone involved in the show... does. Joss and Buffy are inextricably linked. That's just the way it is. Taking Buffy away from him would be j ust wrong.Okay, I have massive amounts of respect for Joss Whedon and his authority over Buffy canon. I don't count Aftermath as canon because of Joss' lack of involvement. But if someone wants to take the Buffy franchise and do their own thing with it separate from Joss' canon, that's fine with me. The best analogy I can think of is still James Bond; created by Ian Fleming, he's Fleming's baby, and only the Fleming novels are offical canon. But the films and expanded universe novels are still absolutely wothwhile parts of the franchise. The Bond series grew beyond Fleming, and there's no reason Buffy can't grow beyond Joss. but the difference is this: Bond: Good books --> Good movie Buffy: Crappy movie --> AWESOME SHOW --> Crappy movie AGAIN! i fail to see the simmilarity.
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Post by hitnrun017 on May 26, 2009 14:43:33 GMT -5
My favorite comment on this so far is from Perez Hilton: "The widely popular TV series (based on a little-seen sh***y film), Buffy the Vampire Slayer, may be making a comeback to the big screen, but without the help of anyone who made it worth watching." Hahahaha. That is great. My favorite remains from io9: "Hollywood wants to remake the original Buffy The Vampire Slayer movie — but darker, with all new characters, and (most importantly) without Joss Whedon. "Do they know who they're messing with?"I love us.
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Post by Just Willow on May 26, 2009 14:46:39 GMT -5
we are pretty awesome, hitnrun! i don't think people can find more loyal fans than Joss fans. (well, Harry Potter fans run a close second)
woot! 800th post!
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Post by somethingblue27 on May 26, 2009 14:48:13 GMT -5
No joss? no will? no xander?no spike? no dawn? no giles? no smg?! then NO MOVIEEEEEEEEEEEE. Unless it's a season 8 or post season 8 or inbetween seasons 7 0 8
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Post by AndrewCrossett on May 26, 2009 14:49:20 GMT -5
The best analogy I can think of is still James Bond; created by Ian Fleming, he's Fleming's baby, and only the Fleming novels are offical canon. But the films and expanded universe novels are still absolutely wothwhile parts of the franchise. The Bond series grew beyond Fleming, and there's no reason Buffy can't grow beyond Joss. But Ian Fleming volutarily sold the film rights to Broccoli & Co., and enthusiastically supported the films, even making casting suggestions. If Joss looked at the script of this movie and gave his blessing to it, then I'd be fine with it, frankly. It might still suck, but it's existence wouldn't offend me. Buffy can grow beyond Joss, and has... it's called the Expanded Universe, and it exists a) with Joss's blessing and b) strictly apart from canon. There's no canonical Buffy without Joss's involvement, and there should be no commercial Buffy at all without his approval. I'm confident Fox will uphold that.
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Post by CowboyGuy on May 26, 2009 14:53:00 GMT -5
What's the point in doing the movie though? We have the official story straight from the source, with Joss' Season 8.
Any new project will not be relevant IMO, unless it comes from Joss Whedon. And I wonder where he is on this? Why haven't we had a comment from him, ugh!
What is this, bad news day? A Buffy-less Buffy Reboot, and Prop 8 is upheld in my state. Hate life, and wanna cry!
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Post by hitnrun017 on May 26, 2009 14:55:30 GMT -5
The best analogy I can think of is still James Bond; created by Ian Fleming, he's Fleming's baby, and only the Fleming novels are offical canon. But the films and expanded universe novels are still absolutely wothwhile parts of the franchise. The Bond series grew beyond Fleming, and there's no reason Buffy can't grow beyond Joss. Well the Bond movies are very self-contained and have barely anything to do with one another.... well, except the Connery films and OHMSS, but continuity issues GALORE! And with Bond we are talking over 40 years of movie history, that can't be compared to Buffy in any way. There have been many directors and writers in the Bond movie franchise, with Buffy we have one man's brain: Joss Whedon. Ian Fleming had a large part in making the movies, and the movies after he passed away stayed true to the previous. With this Buffy reboot, we are talking no Joss at all.
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Post by sagewoman on May 26, 2009 14:55:54 GMT -5
Crap - I just wrote a brilliant response and it disappeared. So here is the gist of what I was writing - it may not be as brilliant as it was the first go around.
First of all - we must remember to respect the individual posting regardless of whether we agree or disagree with what they said (Yes, I know I am repeating Wyndam - but I was writing it befire he posted so I am still going to say it).
As for the highly emotional posts - whether for or against - this is the place for them - where else are we going to vent? We need to be able to say what we think and not be afraid of being ridiculed for it. Who else will listen to us complain --offer another point of view--cry with us--plead patience--start a petition--just vent??
I agree with Amber that we need to get more information.
I disagree with Amber on many of his other opinions - such as about SMG and her acting skills. I recall an interview with James Marsters where he said that it was SMG's level of professionalism and preparedness that made him up his game. It was her abilities that made him extend himself to do an even better job - and I think his acting on Buffy was extraordinary.
I cannot envision a "Buffy" without Joss or the other scoobies. But, I will wait to learn more.
I did not think I would like the Sarah Conner Chronicles if Linda Hamilton wasn't Sarah. I watched because of Summer Glau. And, found that I could adjust to a brunette Sarah who was not Linda Hamilton.
I saw Thunderball in 1961 and didn't think anyone could top Sean Connery - but I really liked Pierce Brosnan and love Daniel Craig. So the Bond franchise seems to be okay.
I'm not sure who I would like as a writer for the movie - as the only stories I have enjoyed have been by Joss, his Buffy and Angel TV writing team (and Emmie of course - I think she could do a bang up screenplay).
So, I have a lot of doubts, but am willing to wait and learn more.
Please keep posting!
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