Ethros
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Post by Ethros on Oct 20, 2008 15:25:24 GMT -5
Somebody wake me up, I must be dreaming!
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Post by buffyverseforever on Oct 20, 2008 16:43:53 GMT -5
Excellent Best wishes, Scott
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Post by Emmie on Oct 20, 2008 16:47:14 GMT -5
Oh my god! Thank you! Thank you! I'll be running out to buy it during my break at work.
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Post by Emmie on Oct 20, 2008 20:02:29 GMT -5
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Ethros
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Post by Ethros on Oct 21, 2008 8:18:38 GMT -5
I'm gonna use all my will power and not read the preview pages. Its less fun when you get the comic and you've already read a third of it!
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Post by Tyler Austin "tiewashere" on Oct 21, 2008 17:22:39 GMT -5
I'm so excited that it comes out tomorrow!!
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Enisy
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Post by Enisy on Oct 21, 2008 18:32:21 GMT -5
This is looking great. Spike gets the best punchline, in "Brilliant, but only if you promise I'll also be thrown off a scyscraper into crap." Hee. And as can be expected, given my inclinations, I have a real soft spot for the "You think this will stop me? I survived slayers!" -- "I didn't. Yet here we are." exchange. Thanks for that, Brian. (And Spike leaves one group of girls to get stuck with another. It's his curse, heh.) Can't wait for the conclusion of the Angel/Cordelia interaction here: one, because Issue 12, along with You're Welcome, was the most I've ever liked Cordelia's character and her relationship with Angel (both of which generally aren't big favourites of mine), and two, because I still think she's the real deal, despite Angel's apparent reservations. Also, one person on Whedonesque was frowning about the "company softball team" line, but I don't mind upping the stakes when it comes to plans and armies -- we are approaching the endgame here, after all. I like the art, and I'm back to hating the colouring. Meh. I'd love to see the black-and-white versions of Urru's and Mooney's issues sometime; I bet they were a zillion times better than the final product.
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Post by Tyler Austin "tiewashere" on Oct 22, 2008 14:49:18 GMT -5
I really liked this issue. I actually starred at the page for a long ass time when it showed that Spike was staked. I thought it would have been really shocking and well done to kill him off...but of course they didn't. The continuation of the previous issue was really good and I actually felt sad when Cordelia faded from the frame. I love her so much. So Angel's back. I'm not really sad to see Gwen go...but I am sad to see the dragon go. Weird, huh? I can't wait to see the continuation of this issue. Is Fred dead? She's my favorite character in the series and needs a better death than that. No, actually, she already got one. I never really liked her tied in with Illyria like that...didn't really serve a purpose.
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Post by KingofCretins on Oct 22, 2008 14:58:06 GMT -5
Well, that was a very cool issue in most respects. The very good stuff to me is pretty much all Connor driven. Not only him beating Gunn's ass silly, but also how he is so invested in "Cordelia" the dragon, and still protective of Gwen -- he genuinely loves her. It's also how he is in the write place and time to bring it back to Angel. Everything Angel told Kate, and Kate told Connor, Connor now basically tells Angel. I suppose one could have seen that coming, but it is still excellently done. And it ties "After the Fall" into a mythological and philosophical theme that ran through the whole televised series. Excellently pulled off. And I really liked Angel's dealings with Cordelia... although I'd have liked for her to steal another kiss (or for him too). Angel's reasoning was completely valid, and indeed, it feels like his emotions overriding him, love for Connor, not reason, not renewed belief (although Connor's talk helped) that makes him fight. Now, though, we come to my major, fundamental unhappiness. It's been building for a while based on interviews, but it's still going to have felt screwy. Spike shows up (complete with bevy of inexplicably affectionate Slayers?) and Connor needs Angel back on his feet, and we all know this can only go one of two ways. 1. Spike will have to sire Angel. This creates an astounding amount of continuity and mythological problems to solve. Either we'll A) completely ignore the vampire mythology and Angel will spring back to his feet normal and ensouled with his curse and all, B) he'll spring back to his feet completely ensouled sans curse, like Spike, C) he'll spring back to his feet like Lawson, with a sort of penumbral soul and a much harder personal dilemma, or D) he'll spring back to his feet and, after a Darla-like moment of anguish, be Angelus again. I'll say right now, A or B will absolutely destroy this series for me. Both are in complete contradiction to the established vampire mythology of the Buffyverse, and "it's Hell-A" isn't explanation enough, IMO. D creates some storytelling possibilities, but in a crowded story, I'm not sure about a new Angelus arc, especially when the point would be to get him into the fight quickly. Of those four, C is the only one that really takes us somewhere new and interesting in the story from a vampire perspective. But, I'm pretty starkly against Angel becoming a vampire again anyway, so while I know most will love it, and it's not anything Brian or Joss has to apologize for, I'm bound to be disappointed by any way they do it. A couple other continuity issues revamping him right now would raise are that vampires don't come back right away, and we would be ignoring completely the other possibility which is... 2. Angel will spontaneously regenerate as a human. We've had this foreshadowed for a while. The Slayers keep coming back. Gunn's vampires apparently have been coming back. Spike just came back. It all happens in that building. Ostensibly, as soon as Angel "dies", whatever mojo is going on in that building that turns into a no harm, no foul training zone will kick in, and he'll be back on his feet, still human. I hope this is what happens, of course, but I'm not optimistic. But, seriously, it absolutely *must* be dealt with in the story if it's not what happens. We can't have Spike just spontaneously UNDUST, show up talking about how easy it is to not be dead in Hell-A, and then re-vamp Angel without the story even addressing why he didn't just... get better, can't we? I really, really hope this is what happens with Angel. The set up seems to be there. All the revamping stuff could be a mislead. I'm hoping. As to the rest of the issue... I like Gunn as a villain. I like his emotional shifts, his arrogance, but also how he suddenly feels like he's been screwed over, and then suddenly he sees his opportunity and goes for it. Apparently, his visions told him he'd be killing "Fred"? He did have a chance in Chapter 9, though, didn't he? Regardless, at least we know she's not invulnerable in Fred mode. And we know how Illyria gets out. The bad news is I have to assume that the real Fred is well and truly gone at this point if she was ever really there at all Cordy the dragon... a noble death. Gwen... if she's dead, which she may well be, I was impressed with it emotionally, but I have to say, we never really learned what the hell was going on there. She hopes Charles was right, but right about *what*? We've never really gotten more than hints of what he thinks he can accomplish, and nothing of how he convinced Gwen of it. She was willing to betray Connor to achieve it (and willing to die to protect him, awwwwww Gwonnor). But she also seemed to think Gunn had some great vision that would either A) save her, or B) make it worth it, and we haven't gotten that at all yet. It's just confusing. Overall, it's a very good issue. Issue #12 didn't work for me nearly as well as it did for others, but Issue #13 definitely was better. I'm not comfortable yet about where things are going with Angel's human or vampire status, and that it can all be settled without continuity errors of the mythology (easily avoided by not revamping him!), but the emotional impact of the story, especially Connor, Cordy, Angel, and Gwen in this issue, protect the fun and excitement this series brings to the table.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Oct 22, 2008 15:05:39 GMT -5
*sob*
Still waiting for issue 12 from time & space toys.
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Joe
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Post by Joe on Oct 22, 2008 15:24:48 GMT -5
I think I can get the issue tomorrow!
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Post by Tyler Austin "tiewashere" on Oct 22, 2008 16:49:57 GMT -5
Will Spike bring the Slayers he saved over to Buffy in Season 8?
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bullseye
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Post by bullseye on Oct 22, 2008 19:53:18 GMT -5
In angel #13 when spike is fighting those 3 slayers, he gets dusted. So how is he alive and apparantly friends with the slayers in a few pages? ??
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Post by spaddel2710 on Oct 22, 2008 20:22:11 GMT -5
And what happens to fred/Illyraía in this issúe? What was on the last page?
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Post by Tyler Austin "tiewashere" on Oct 22, 2008 20:41:22 GMT -5
And what happens to fred/Illyraía in this issúe? What was on the last page? I think to release Illyria (on the cover for the next issue) Gunn had to kill Fred.
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patxshand
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Post by patxshand on Oct 22, 2008 21:54:47 GMT -5
In angel #13 when spike is fighting those 3 slayers, he gets dusted. So how is he alive and apparantly friends with the slayers in a few pages? ?? People can't die in "hotel de Gunn." There's an enchantment or something. Notice, the slayers Gunn's been killing in like, every issue? All the same chicks, over and over.
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Post by Brian Lynch on Oct 22, 2008 22:42:08 GMT -5
But that big demon is nailed to the wall in Hotel De Gunn. He died there.
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patxshand
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Post by patxshand on Oct 22, 2008 23:18:56 GMT -5
Hm.... interesting. Could it be the specific room that they slayers were in?
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Post by Brian Lynch on Oct 23, 2008 0:18:11 GMT -5
You never know. You...never...know.
I tried to say that all Shatner-like.
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Post by CowboyGuy on Oct 23, 2008 6:24:59 GMT -5
You never know. You...never...know. I tried to say that all Shatner-like. Oh BL, we love it when you post! I guess you really do never know. Or maybe YOU know. Or maybe not. Haha.
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