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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Nov 15, 2009 13:37:46 GMT -5
What is it that I won't see? Do you still not admit that we don't actually see Buffy HOLDING or SUPPORTING the church? We only see her BESIDE the church? I see that Buffy commented on that there were plenty more SLAYERS where she came from. I think it's more likely that she commented on the amount of slayers than her strength. Because afterwards, Twilight talks about the other slayers, not her strength(of course, that could have been him misunderstanding her). And even if she did, all that proved is her cockyness, not that she's stronger than Twilight vampires. You don't KNOW that Angel is faster than Edward, we can only guess that. And my guess, after reading all 4 books, is that Edward is faster. And as I said, I "saw" that it seemed like Angel teleported. I even said that And I'm pretty sure I've said in this thread that Angel has PROBABLY more experience with fighting than Edward. I never said Edward has faced more. So why would you say that I don't see that "Angel has faced things far more powerful and older than Edward"? Which you have no clue off, since you haven't even read all the books and can tell me what Edward has faced or not. Hell, I can't even tell, a lot of his life remains a mystery. And the gifs prove nothing other than that the Buffyverse vampire are strong. They do not prove that Twilight vampires are weaker. Unless you have pics proving that twilight-vampires can't jump from buildings, climb down walls or other things Buffyverse vampires can do, that's not proof. And you are right. This is a hopeless case. You are the one who misunderstands me over and over again, who puts words in my mouth, who assumes he knows things without even reading all the books, and who attacks me personally. Me being a Twilightfan has nothing to do with facts or qualified guesses. Why you would get into this argument at all with a Twilightfan at all is beyond me in case you consider it a waste of time. And honestly, how can you presume to know who's stronger, Angel or Edward, if you hardly know anyhting about Edward? It's like saying you know strawberry tastes better than chocolate without even trying chocolate. Read the books and don't assume I'm worth talking to or not based on what kinds of books I read. That's just plain mean and ignorant. EDIT- The REAL question is in a competition of pouting and broodiness, who wins? I think that competition is much closer... Who wins in a stoic Brood-off?? Haha, good question! I still think Angel is the king of brooding! ;D I think the fact that Edward came back to Bella in book two, while Angel stayed away from Buffy, shows who likes to suffer more, which is Angel. Of course, in case Angel thought Buffy was suffering to much without him, he might have done like Edward and came back. Also, Edward always seemed so condescending, while Angel felt more like filth, so I think Angel's brooding was different. Edward always tried to fit into society, while Angel seemed more unwilling(but Edward always had his family around him, which made him different from Angel). I know I took this question was too seriously, but I'm just throwing it out there. |
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Post by nickclark89 on Nov 15, 2009 13:54:22 GMT -5
I don't attack you, that's the impression that you give me.
A picture is worth a thousand words, and you don't want to see it.
Angel has faced things far more powerful and older than Edward, you don't want see that. Edward (Vultures, shapeshifters...) Angel (Elder demon, fallen higher power, apocalypses... etc.. )
My sister has read all four books, is fan (unfortunately) and she said me that your arguments are super exaggerated.
You call me ignorant, when you compared to Superman with Edward, for Smallville??? Come on!!
Hopeless case.
((It bothers me quite because I can't comment much I am Spanish and my English is very limited to write.))
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Nov 15, 2009 14:19:35 GMT -5
I don't attack you, that's the impression that you give me. In case you tell me that I'm not worth talking to, you're attacking me, not my opinions. Those pictures do say words, but not the kind of words needed for this dicussion. Tell me what I'm missing in these pictures. Have you read the parts about the shapeshifters and the Volturi? So you can be absolutely sure they're more powerful than what's Angel faced? And how can you be so sure Edward hasn't faced things that aren't mentioned in the books? I'm saying that it's likely that Angel has faced worse things. I can even say I would bet a thousand bucks he has. But that doesn't matter since we don't know if Edward was faced with the same obstacles, he wouldn't survive them just like Angel did. So even tough experience matters, it's not everything, since we can't tell you would fight the monsters the better way. In that case, she's welcome to argue with me, since she would know more. What exactly is it I exaggerate? (And now you are attacking my taste again, since you make it sound like being a Twilight-fan is bad, when you have no idea WHY we like the books.) Did you forget the part where I wrote my comparison was faulthy? "I admit, comparing Edward's strength to Superman was silly, considering that all I know about superman I learned from a few season of Smallville. And it seems like superman is way stronger. I should have used another comparison." I wrote that in my first reply to you. And now you are calling me a hopeless case, which is also a attack on my person, and close to name-calling, which is not the way to have a healthy discussion. I guess I shouldn't blame your for being a bit rude, since your English isn't the best, but I wanted to point out that you weren't acting the best(as you might have noctied, my English isn't the best either). |
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Post by nickclark89 on Nov 15, 2009 14:49:17 GMT -5
Those pictures do say words, but not the kind of words needed for this dicussion. Tell me what I'm missing in these pictures. How I going to explain you an image? It's common sense, simply. Have you read the parts about the shapeshifters and the Volturi? So you can be absolutely sure they're more powerful than what's Angel faced? And how can you be so sure Edward hasn't faced things that aren't mentioned in the books? I'm saying that it's likely that Angel has faced worse things. I can even say I would bet a thousand bucks he has. But that doesn't matter since we don't know if Edward was faced with the same obstacles, he wouldn't survive them just like Angel did. So even tough experience matters, it's not everything, since we can't tell you would fight the monsters the better way. So at this point we agree. In my opinion (Not proofs ) Edward wouldn't survive because their universe is much less hostile than Whedonverso. In that case, she's welcome to argue with me, since she would know more. What exactly is it I exaggerate? (And now you are attacking my taste again, since you make it sound like being a Twilight-fan is bad, when you have no idea WHY we like the books.) Did you forget the part where I wrote my comparison was faulthy? She is 14 years old, she couldn't hold a conversation in English with you, I can barely do it myself. Is exaggerated your opinion about the strenght and speed of Edward, when he never have overpassed to Angel. (A tree o large branch( In the first book Edward just uprooted a large branch), whatever, is wooden... Angel can destroy it.) What it mean faulthy? EDIT: Defective?? "I admit, comparing Edward's strength to Superman was silly, considering that all I know about superman I learned from a few season of Smallville. And it seems like superman is way stronger. I should have used another comparison." I wrote that in my first reply to you. For that I put it in past time. And now you are calling me a hopeless case, which is also a attack on my person, and close to name-calling, which is not the way to have a healthy discussion. I guess I shouldn't blame your for being a bit rude, since your English isn't the best, but I wanted to point out that you weren't acting the best(as you might have noctied, my English isn't the best either). I apologize if you felt offended, but at no time have I insulted you. I feel it is a hopeless case because the proofs and experiences of Angel are irrefutable. don't put words in my mouth  And you keep giving me the impression of being a fangirl, and surely I will give you the impression of an ignorant fanboy of Buffy/Angel (You yourself have called me that) ---> Read the books and don't assume I'm worth talking to or not based on what kinds of books I read. That's just plain mean and ignorant. |
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Nov 15, 2009 15:02:30 GMT -5
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Post by nickclark89 on Nov 15, 2009 15:17:09 GMT -5
I've told you that the pictures aren't proof, but you haven't told my WHAT they prove. In case you disagree, explain why you disagree. Otherwise I can't understand what you're trying to say with the images. The images and gifs are themselves proofs. The problem is that for you isn't valid when are more than evident. I'm sorry, I don't understand that sentence. How is it exaggerated? Well, you exaggerate his strength very much. Just that I have never said that Angel can't destroy wood, you misunderstood me. What I meant when I mentioned that Edward can uproot trees, is that I know Edward can rip up trees, which proves how strong he is, but from what I've seen of Angel's proof of strength on the Tv-show, he wouldn't be able to do it as easy as Edward. That is however just a guess.Yep... exactly... Not mean that he can't do it. He can support a massive rock wall over 2 tons. (And that was before Connor to help him.) faulthy=wrong As in I admited that I was wrong in comparing Superman to Edward. aaaah  Sorry, I don't understand that either. >_< Verb -> I put -> Time in past. A person who overestimates his idols. |
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Nov 15, 2009 15:22:16 GMT -5
Okay. Some things are clearer, but the language-barrier is just too big for us to take this conversation anyfurther. No offence.
I'm not sure if I would call you a fanboy. Not only because it's an insult, it's basically name-calling, but also because I wouldn't say that you overestimate Angel, you just don't know enough about Edward to compare, which is what I'm trying to say when I call you ignorant.
What's ironic about all of this is that I actually have no clue what Bella sees in Edward. I think he's kind of a douche.
Okay, he has some reedeming qualities, but he's kinda ... yeah.
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Post by nickclark89 on Nov 15, 2009 15:38:22 GMT -5
Okay. Some things are clearer, but the language-barrier is just too big for us to take this conversation anyfurther. No offence. hahahaha xDDD Well, my english is clear enough, don't? I'm not sure if I would call you a fanboy. Not only because it's an insult, it's basically name-calling, but also because I wouldn't say that you overestimate Angel, you just don't know enough about Edward to compare, which is what I'm trying to say when I call you ignorant. For my opinion, "fanboy" is not a insult, is a description. I may ignore the remaining 3 books (I have them earrings, I don't like starting something and not finish it) but what I've seen on the first book is the typical abilities of a vampire. And uprooting trees isn't a feat magnific. And my sister tells me that Edward isn't over that Angel ... The book is viewed from a human perspective, not supernatural. What's ironic about all of this is that I actually have no clue what Bella sees in Edward. I think he's kind of a douche. Okay, he has some reedeming qualities, but he's kinda ... yeah. LOL!  |
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Post by jellymoff on Nov 15, 2009 15:41:45 GMT -5
Astronauts vs. Cavemen?
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Post by nickclark89 on Nov 15, 2009 16:53:46 GMT -5
Something like that, good metaphore |
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Post by The Night Lord on Nov 16, 2009 2:57:15 GMT -5
Ai, ai, ai, this is just crazy, this conversation. Me, I'm siding with Whedonverse vamps. They're at least somewhat closer to the vampires we know in folklore that have been around for centuries: death by sunlight, stakes and fire, repelled by crufixes, have FANGS, etc. Twilight vampires I feel are an insult on vampire folklore
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Nov 16, 2009 3:29:25 GMT -5
I also prefer the Buffyverse vampires, but that doesn't mean they can't kick ass.
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Post by exogenesis1203 on Nov 22, 2009 12:03:48 GMT -5
let's be logical... it really consider on the situation
a. angel was just walking on the street looking for damsel in distress, and he spot mr.sparkle
then he think he is just a normal vampire and go straigh ahead to dust him.
I think Edward might win the first fight, due to the fact that Edward will not die from staking, I think the situation might be quite similar to Buffy vs Turok-Han for the first time
Certainly, Edward is no where as powerful as those ancient vampires, but what made Turok-Han had the upperhand was the element of surprise that it doesn't has those vampire weakness
But after Angel went back and do some research, he'd slice Edward into pieces within minutes and burn him to dust(well given that if Angel didn't try to drive a wooden stake through his own heart after reading Twiligh during his resrach)
On the other hand... if Edward met Angelus or if Edward was holding someone Angel care for hostage...
Edward would be dead quite soon....
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Nov 22, 2009 12:19:10 GMT -5
Certainly, Edward is no where as powerful as those ancient vampires, Even those in Chosen, that seemed weaker than the first one we saw? I mean, the non supernatural people, Dawn, Xander, Robin, Giles, Anya & Xander could kick those guys asses, and I'm very sure Edward could take on every one of them, individually or as a group (maybe not if they had time to prepare). So naturally, if Edward could take the humans, he could take the uber-vamps. |
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Post by The Night Lord on Nov 23, 2009 0:26:39 GMT -5
I remember seeing Dawn kill three Turok-Hans with sunlight. The rest of those guys you've mentioned only fought Bringers, not Turok-Hans
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Nov 23, 2009 8:45:53 GMT -5
My bad, you're right, I completely forgot that there were bringers too. I would have to re-watch the episode to see if any humans actually fought with the Turok-Hans.
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Post by The Night Lord on Nov 24, 2009 1:12:17 GMT -5
As far as I can remember, only the Slayers fought the Turok-Hans. The humans fought Bringers
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Post by nickclark89 on Nov 24, 2009 21:24:12 GMT -5
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Post by The Night Lord on Nov 25, 2009 1:07:31 GMT -5
Huh? Are you saying that neither of the above three vamps have the power to take on a Turok-Han? Yeah? Edward I can image being ripped to shreds by the Turok-Hans, but I do remember Spike being able to hold his own until he went all sunshine-y
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Post by nickclark89 on Nov 25, 2009 8:06:39 GMT -5
Is my opinion Maybe if they is join, maaaybe would take one Turok-Han (Without the pendant) hehe |
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