nickclark89
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Post by nickclark89 on Dec 31, 2009 12:34:13 GMT -5
Well, everything is subjective, you're right. Although I still seem overvalued the opinions of the "Twilightfans", very much overvalued (apart of the granite skin, easyly breakable by super strenght, they have the basic vampiric powers, to the proofs I refer.). I read half of the fourth book. It's a bore (How can humanize so much a vampire? , this silly woman (Meyer) ), but Jacob's book is fine, as a fan of the Dhampir Rayne, I'm interested Renesmee.
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Post by The Night Lord on Jan 1, 2010 20:07:01 GMT -5
Even if Edward is faster than Angel, that's all he has over Angel. Angel is over 200 years old and has mastered many fighting types. We've all seen his fighting skills across both shows and they are very impressive. There's hardly anything that Angel hasn't been able to take down. Sure, he may have been defeated in combat quite a few times, but he still came back and won in the end. In a fight between Edward and Angel, Mr. Shiny would have the advantage at first with speed, but then Mr. Broody would eventually get on top of him in terms of hand-to-hand combat
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jan 1, 2010 20:42:15 GMT -5
Even if Edward is faster than Angel, that's all he has over Angel. Angel is over 200 years old and has mastered many fighting types. We've all seen his fighting skills across both shows and they are very impressive. There's hardly anything that Angel hasn't been able to take down. Sure, he may have been defeated in combat quite a few times, but he still came back and won in the end. In a fight between Edward and Angel, Mr. Shiny would have the advantage at first with speed, but then Mr. Broody would eventually get on top of him in terms of hand-to-hand combat I'm not sure you get exactly how fast Edward is compared to Angel. Edwrd could move across states in hours (I wanna say minutes, but I don't dare to without having a specific page to quote). Fighting skills or not, in case Angel just has time to blink before Edward has his fist through Angel's chest, experience or brains won't help. Of course, Edward could underestimate Angel and Angel could have figured out a way to escape and then come up with a way to kill Edward, but what I'm talking about is hand to hand, no way to run, and they both very much want to kill the other one as quick as possible. And let's not forget the skin. While a human can pierce Angel's skin with wood, you would have to get very hard material (diamond maybe) to pierce Edward's. I suppose his strength is also greater than Angel's, since he's faster and has harder skin. I mean, who has hard skin but weak muscles? Oh right, I guess turtles. I really wish I could remember fighting scenes from Twilight better so I could show proofe of Edward's strength. Sorry for repeating myself, but I still hope to convince people with logic (even tough a fewe anti-sparkle people probably call my logic troll logic) Btw, Lord, how much of Twilight did you read? Did you make it pass the sparkles or did you vomit?
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Post by Angel Beast on Jan 1, 2010 21:56:33 GMT -5
Angel I think would be able to dodge Edward's running charge, seeing as he can sense when other vampires are near.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jan 1, 2010 22:08:21 GMT -5
You mean that Angel could outrun Edward if Angel sensed danger? Or plan a attack?
Assuming you mean plan attack; I wonder if Edward wouldn't pick up in movement without heartbeats nearby(which would mean that he would expect a vampire) and be ready for a attack, so they'd be even anyway.
So in a situation where Edward happened to come upon Angel, they'd probably both be prepared to fight. Angel probably more than Edward, since they would both think that the other person was a vampire, but only Angel would think that Edward deserved to die, since in the Buffyverse, almost all vampire are evil and Angel is out to kill evil creatures, while Edward doesn't care all that much about killing vampires, evil or not.
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nickclark89
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Post by nickclark89 on Jan 1, 2010 22:35:11 GMT -5
In the book, never said that they cross the states in hours, even they have to catch planes to move themselves... Much less in minutes, you keep talking about Edward is faster than Angel, when I have amply demonstrated that Angel may be equal or faster ("Blur" vs "Teleportation")..
His skin is made of granite, not diamond. Easily breakable by super strength.
I just need read 200 pages to finish the last book, and I still see the basic powers of vampires ... And especially a blind devotion to Twilight.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jan 1, 2010 23:27:11 GMT -5
In the book, never said that they cross the states in hours, even they have to catch planes to move themselves... Much less in minutes, you keep talking about Edward is faster than Angel, when I have amply demonstrated that Angel may be equal or faster ("Blur" vs "Teleportation").. His skin is made of granite, not diamond. Easily breakable by super strength. I just need read 200 pages to finish the last book, and I still see the basic powers of vampires ... And especially a blind devotion to Twilight. I won't repeat my arguments regarding Angel's strength, specially since I don't see what you could disagree with regarding those arguments. But I want to correct you. The vampire's skin is not made of granite, it's as hard as granite. And I never said it was made of diamond, I said that to break the skin, you would need a really hard material, like for example diamond, while the buffyverse vampires' skin could be pierced by a weaker material, like for example wood. As seen on the show, a human could kill a Buffyverse vamp with a stake, but in the book it's clearly stated that it would take a lot more than human strength and a stake to kill Edward (that is assuming that the buffyverse humans are as strong as Twilight humans. Maybe Twilight humans are weaker than the Buffyverse humans? We've been talking about the vampire's compared strength, but maybe we should consider the humans strength too? )
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Post by Angel Beast on Jan 2, 2010 0:21:16 GMT -5
With humans I don't see Xander, Cordy, Gunn or Fred killing Edward. Maybe Wesley, Willow, Tara, Anya or Giles could since they know how to use magicks. Willow could flay Edward. Aside from Angel, Spike, and Buffy I wanna see Glory fight Edward. Of course for Edward to take notice she'd have to brain drain Bella.
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Post by nickclark89 on Jan 2, 2010 0:58:26 GMT -5
But I want to correct you. The vampire's skin is not made of granite, it's as hard as granite. And I never said it was made of diamond, I said that to break the skin, you would need a really hard material, like for example diamond, while the buffyverse vampires' skin could be pierced by a weaker material, like for example wood. My apologies, misreading, you're right. Humans (Not Joss-vampire) would need to hunt hard materials. And it's true what you say, the skin is hard as granite. About humans ... Meyer has a perspective of them too weak ... Although in general terms in both universes are the same. (Although there are levels, it can't compare the weak Bella with the strong Gunn.) We have seen human killing vampires, but I've already talked about the incongruities in this regard, Xander vs Harmony for example, compared with Harmony's fight against the vampire in the fifth season of Angel.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jan 2, 2010 9:21:11 GMT -5
I think that in Xander and Harmony's fight, she simply forgot she was a vampire and had inhuman strength and fought like a little girl, lol, but she could have ripped his head off.
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Post by nickclark89 on Jan 2, 2010 9:24:21 GMT -5
hahaha Well, even though she had forgotten her super strength, his power is there, she should at least have let unconscious, is more humor than seriousness
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Post by Billie Erin on Jan 2, 2010 13:09:41 GMT -5
I love the DVD commentary for that scene- it's so funny
On the main topic: Angel would win because Edward is just no match for him emotionally and intellectualyl despite his (some may say) superior abilities (faster, can read minds, doesn't become medium-rare vampire when the sun comes up . . .)
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Post by Billie Erin on Jan 2, 2010 13:11:23 GMT -5
"There's no Edward Cullenus" . . . so funny
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Post by The Night Lord on Jan 4, 2010 0:22:42 GMT -5
Let's just throw this one in for fun: Illyria. Eddy stands no chance
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Post by Angel Beast on Jan 4, 2010 13:54:26 GMT -5
One punch from Illyria and Edward is done, finished, game over.
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Post by Tea - Total on Jan 11, 2010 8:00:16 GMT -5
Buffy vs Edward ,he still doesn't have any Chance.
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Post by Randi Giles on Jan 11, 2010 10:57:17 GMT -5
Let's just throw this one in for fun: Illyria. Eddy stands no chance He really doesnt't
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Post by Tea - Total on Jan 11, 2010 11:08:13 GMT -5
Try Glory. Wow he really doesnt have the chance.
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Post by SpikeObsessed on Jan 31, 2010 21:54:39 GMT -5
Okay, that video made me laugh so hard I couldn't breath. Karma to who posted it. Now I skipped a lot of this because I was lazy and didn't feel like reading it all, so I'm going to make my points. Edward- Fast
- CAN READ MINDS
- Hard skin
- A bit over-confident
- Easily distracted (if Bella was there, anyway)
Angel(us)- Strong/Powerful
- Experienced
- Ruthless
- Cunning
- Determined
I'm sorry, but even though Edward can read minds, I still think Angel(us) has the upper hand. There is NO WAY he could beat Angelus. Angel, then maybe. But Angelus is an expert and has blinders on when fighting. Nothing can stand in his way. The only ones who can kill Twilight vampires are werewolves and OTHER VAMPIRES. Angel is another vampire, so he could tear him apart and set him on fire. But Edward still had super speed and could stake him in a second. If it was just Angel or Angelus in an empty room with Edward, Edward would die. Especially if it was Angelus. Then again, it's just my opinion.
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Post by The Girl In Question on Jan 31, 2010 23:36:58 GMT -5
^^In Buffy, vampires' minds can't be read anyway so that power is utterly useless in this case.
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