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Post by NightlySorrow on Oct 12, 2009 23:23:57 GMT -5
Andrew, but those examples of the death toll at Sunnydale High are pretty small compared to vampires being public to the entire world. It's easy for me to ignore the small stuff in TV shows. And it's just Sunnydale, where I can believe people are in denial and brush off the craziness of the town and move on with their lives.
Sure, there was graduation day with a giant snake and vampires, that's pretty much a huge outing right there, but why I can deal with it is because it's a small town and the info stays there. And it's not as if Sunnydale residents discover vampires and embrace them. They are scared when they find a dead body in a locker, and fear vampires and demons other than a few people.
And it's not the outing of the vamps that is really frustrating to me, it's the public's reaction. I can't buy the idea that society likes vampires that kill and feed on humans, which Harmony basically said on Colbert. So people aren't oblivious to the fact vampires are dangerous and evil.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Oct 12, 2009 23:46:17 GMT -5
I know, and have argued the same thing many times.
But I'm enjoying the story enough to not let it ruin everything for me. Vampires are popular and that's that. Maybe we'll get more explanation, maybe we won't. Despite it all, we seem to be ending up this season pretty much where we have been at the climax of every other season: Buffy and friends up against seemingly impossible odds with no help from the rest of the world.
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Post by NightlySorrow on Oct 13, 2009 0:01:34 GMT -5
It won't stop me from enjoying the comics, but there's certain moments in season 8 I have problems with. I'll be at the comic book store Nov. 4th for issue 30 after work, and that's a long drive out of my way, so I'm definitely a fan regardless of some of my qualms and frustrations.
I notice I haven't really said anything positive in this thread, so I'll say I like how distant Buffy looks and feels in issue 29. She looks fragile, but is still focused enough to deal with the situation in front of her. And I usually don't like depressed Buffy, but it's working for me right now.
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Post by Maggie on Oct 13, 2009 10:33:17 GMT -5
That's just the way it goes. Magic is real, demons walk the earth, vampires are popular now. Just gotta move on. The problem I have with this is that sometimes the things that seem strange are supposed to seem strange. So if we're asked to suspend disbelief repeatedly, it becomes impossible to distinguish between things we're just supposed to buy as is and things that are supposed to raise questions. Did the public just buy the vampires as cool? Or is the fact that they do evidence of global magical manipulation ala Superstar? Have the slayers just switched to guns because that's the weapon at hand and they are now 'helpful'? Or have they crossed a real line by going to war and killing humans that's part of the story? Much of this will be resolved when we see the whole story. We'll know what was supposed to be strange. But that isn't necessrily going to help the fact that (as seems likely) there's still going to be a pile of stuff that seems strange but which the story wants to treat as totally reasonable. I'm still *very* interested in the comics and spend a lot of time thinking and writing about them. I've definitely been shifting to the more critical/skeptical over time, though. And that does make me sad.
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Post by henzINNIT on Oct 13, 2009 10:44:52 GMT -5
The Gods at the end were lame as hell. This arc needs to tie up in a big way in the last issue cause right now... things are happening but it still has the fragmented and unsatisfying feel of the Predators and Prey arc, and I have to say as a massive Oz fan, I've not been all that impressed by his return.
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Post by wenxina on Oct 13, 2009 10:48:56 GMT -5
The Gods at the end were gay-sauce. Did they look very happy to you?
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Oct 13, 2009 10:54:24 GMT -5
I've decided to wait until the season is over, and if I'm then still saying to myself, "that popular vampires storyline was stupid and made no sense," then I'll chalk it up as a flaw... hopefully (presumably) one that won't spoil my enjoyment of the story in hindsight.
You can just assume that magic is responsible... on several occasions we've seen spells powerful enough to manipulate the perceptions of all of humanity. (Superstar, Dawn, Jasmine, Hell-A). But I doubt we'll ever be given that as an official explanation. The writers seem to be trying to sell it as "social commentary" on the gullibility and apathy of the reality-TV-addicted public, but it doesn't work.
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Post by Hallow Thorn on Oct 13, 2009 17:13:39 GMT -5
I hope that magic is responsible and by the hands of Twilight... just like "Superstar", Dawn, Jasmine and Hell-A.... it just has to be .
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Post by pulse on Oct 14, 2009 18:05:53 GMT -5
The Gods at the end were gay-sauce. This arc needs to tie up in a big way in the last issue cause right now... things are happening but it still has the fragmented and unsatisfying feel of the Predators and Prey arc, and I have to say as a massive Oz fan, I've not been all that impressed by his return. Sir, may I ask what you mean by gay-sauce. I haven't read it yet... did same sex gods have an orgy? If so... cool. But thanks for offending me as a gay person if you meant that gods were stupid or lame.
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Post by The Girl In Question on Oct 15, 2009 15:14:29 GMT -5
The Gods at the end were gay-sauce. This arc needs to tie up in a big way in the last issue cause right now... things are happening but it still has the fragmented and unsatisfying feel of the Predators and Prey arc, and I have to say as a massive Oz fan, I've not been all that impressed by his return. Sir, may I ask what you mean by gay-sauce. I haven't read it yet... did same sex gods have an orgy? If so... cool. But thanks for offending me as a gay person if you meant that gods were stupid or lame. I'm assuming when he says gay-sauce it is the equivilent to lame-sauce (which means lame). Which leads us to the discussion in the thread "You're So Gay." o.0 And if gay-sauce (or any kind of sauce) meant orgy then...ew....
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Post by Darth Rosie on Oct 15, 2009 23:17:30 GMT -5
This board is one of the friendliest places on the internet I have encountered, and I would find it sad if the use of gay as lame continued even though many people of different orientations have already stated that they feel uncomfortable and/or insulted.
As to the issue - I'm still waiting for mine. The mail is so lame.
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Post by Hellbound Hyperion on Oct 15, 2009 23:30:57 GMT -5
Somehow my subscription orders through my LCS (local comics shop) didn't go through, so they have to repair communications between themselves and Dark Horse/IDW before I can get my Buffy/Angel fix. So I'm also waiting on this issue.
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Post by Paul on Oct 15, 2009 23:46:07 GMT -5
This board is one of the friendliest places on the internet I have encountered, and I would find it sad if the use of gay as lame continued even though many people of different orientations have already stated that they feel uncomfortable and/or insulted. I don't think what henz said was offensive at all. Yes, using "gay" as an insult is mildly insulting, but he didn't mean it in a homophobic context at all so I think it's overreacting to get offended by it. It's a common use of the word... I'm gay myself and I use "gay" and "fag" as lighthearted insults all the time. Get thicker skin and chill out. As Darth Rosenberg says, this site is one of the nicest, friendliest places on the internet (it's because we're Buffy fans... Buffy fans are better than normal people) so I don't think we need to worry about genuine homophobia around here.
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Post by Rebecca on Oct 15, 2009 23:50:42 GMT -5
The point is, folks, that people have stated that they are offended. Let's just not use it, k?
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Post by henzINNIT on Oct 16, 2009 12:34:46 GMT -5
Sorry. Retraction
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Post by wenxina on Oct 16, 2009 12:47:12 GMT -5
Duly noted and appreciated.
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Post by weredog on Oct 18, 2009 22:40:42 GMT -5
A little tardy with the issue purchase but I finally swung by the ol' shop for it. A very solid issue! Jeantys penciling still amazes me. The fact he's drawing over a dozen characters, nine of which date back to the tv series, and does so successfully is pretty outstanding in my books. His Dawn could use a lil more consitistency in her facial characterisitics, but if you look at his Buffy, Willow, Xander and Giles (amongst many) are great. I love the panel of Buffys closeup with the narration "they're all going crazy with happiness". She is badass.
As for the plot that Espenson brought up, it was well executed. Loved tye balance of action and dialogue. A really nice pace that felt like this was war. Which leads me to the content. I think it was a little too much. The speech montage in the first couple pages feel a little regurgitated from season 7. Another war? This one is for real this time? Okay... Oz and Bay were better in this issue. They didn't feel like Mr and Mrs Expedition, as they did in the previous issue. Dawn and Xander: you know what, this drama feels organic to me. The bathing scene from the second issue is now given a new outlook. There ARE seeds to this relationship (whatever it is). I dig it.
More to say but this iTouch is giving me a cramp in my eyes
Interested to know what's next.....
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Post by rogue11 on Oct 18, 2009 23:26:19 GMT -5
some people use gay as an insult because they are ignorant and cant think of anything more interesting to say. As a person who is gay, if you're really ok with who you are then it shouldn't bother you too much. I get if it does, but some people are just fools. Just feel good about who you are and these debates wont be necessary.
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Post by wenxina on Oct 18, 2009 23:45:47 GMT -5
It doesn't necessarily ruin my day to hear the comment, but as this is a forum dedicated to some of the most gay-friendly shows that I know of, I would say that that standard should be upheld in discussion. As has already been pointed out, some members are uncomfortable with the cavalier usage of the phrase, and that itself should be reason enough not to use it. How you conduct yourself outside the forum is entirely up to you.
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Post by SlayerLV on Oct 19, 2009 1:10:24 GMT -5
I finally got my issue the other day and I have to say I actually liked this one. I thought it was great that Xander and Dawn showed their relationship in public. The only thing I wondered was where the baby was during the battle, I would've thought that he would've been with Bay somewhere safe but she was out in battle also.
I have to give this issue a 8/10
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