patxshand
Ensouled Vampire
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Post by patxshand on Aug 11, 2009 19:20:32 GMT -5
EMMIE: VERY NICE on the Excalibur theory. I'd love that.
This is the first time I've liked the Jeanty cover better than the painted on in a while. Jeanty's cover is pretty good, though is that Oz or Andrew? C'mon. But yeah, about the painted cover. Why is Buffy's face so realistic but her hair and body so cartoony? It just looks weird and awkward.
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Post by Rebecca on Aug 11, 2009 19:29:04 GMT -5
Well, the glowy stake kinda reminds me of "A Beautiful Sunset" where the empowered girls were all glowy. Since the girls are supposed to be de-magic-ed by this point, perhaps it's symbolic of reclaiming the power within? I sure hopeso. The idea that Buffy would go without her powers is like suppressing half of you. I never thought that is a really good idea. Perhaps this whole venture to Tibet will answer Buffy's #26 question: "Did we do the right thing empowering all these girls?" with the answer of "YES. NOW GO KICK SOME BUTT."
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Post by wenxina on Aug 11, 2009 19:39:31 GMT -5
Pat: It's quite obviously Oz. For one, that's exactly the way he was drawn in #27, which isn't saying too much, but then again, the hair is that reddish-brown.
Rebecca: Here's what Jeanty said about the identity of the blue demon/god thing:
If she's gonna be delving that deeply into Tibetan history, and presumably folk lore, the demon thing will probably play a large part in setting Buffy back on the right path. And hey, I don't think anyone ever assumed that Buffy's run-and-hide idea was a good one. She's tried that before and it failed miserably. And it seems that #31 will further expand on Buffy's hero journey, or at least that's the impression I got from Jeanty's answers.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Aug 11, 2009 19:57:57 GMT -5
Based on the way Georges was talking about what happens to Buffy in this issue, and looking at that Hughes cover... the idea is really starting to take hold of me that Buffy is gonna get vamped.
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Post by Emmie on Aug 11, 2009 20:00:30 GMT -5
The way Buffy's hand is turned makes it look like she's beckoning the stake down at her chest - "come closer" (if she were trying to stop the stake her hand would be splayed outward) - while her face is looking on in horror. Seems like the idea of Buffy's power betraying her, her power turning on her.
I don't think Buffy will be vamped. Like ever. That's a fanfic creation. I don't think Joss would ever go there.
Pat, regarding Oz on the cover - look at the expression. That's an Oz expression. Thoughtful, narrowed eyes. Lips pursed and musing. Andrew is more wide-eyed and quirky. With Jeanty, his art tells a character's emotions more than perfect likeness. But the likeness is good enough for me to get both here.
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Nicholas
Descendant of a Toaster Oven
One Good Scare
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Post by Nicholas on Aug 11, 2009 20:29:55 GMT -5
What if Buffy becomes a vampire!? That would sure be a huge twist!
And I absolutely love the first cover, LOVE IT. It actually looks like the original BUFFY, the girl with the stake. Its wonderful.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Aug 11, 2009 20:51:14 GMT -5
I don't think Buffy will be vamped. Like ever. That's a fanfic creation. More so than Giant Dawn, Buffy with another woman, or a Xander/Dawn romance?
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Post by Emmie on Aug 11, 2009 20:57:44 GMT -5
I don't think Buffy will be vamped. Like ever. That's a fanfic creation. More so than Giant Dawn, Buffy with another woman, or a Xander/Dawn romance? Those are incidental compared to vampire Buffy. Seriously, "Breaking Dawn" is the direction Buffy is going towards? Vamping Buffy would be tantamount to destroying the Slayer character. Unless he wants to do a reverse like in IWRY and turn back time to undo it. He's not going to go there. While Angel and Spike snuck in as good vampires, Joss created vampires in his verse to be metaphors for evil. I just could never see him tossing Buffy down that well. Not in canon.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Aug 11, 2009 21:14:45 GMT -5
Okay, let's sum up what we know so far about the climax of issue 30...
* Something very big and very bad happens to Buffy.
* This is "transformative" in nature to her character.
* It's so big and important that Joss actually volunteered himself more work in his insane schedule to deal with it right.
* The event is going to make many fans very angry.
* A lot of that anger will stem from the fact that, as Scott put it, many fans don't like major change.
* The Brad Meltzer arc that follows will be "revelatory."
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Post by Emmie on Aug 11, 2009 21:19:28 GMT -5
* Something very big and very bad happens to Buffy.
* This is "transformative" in nature to her character.
* It's so big and important that Joss actually volunteered himself more work in his insane schedule to deal with it right.
* The event is going to make many fans very angry.
* A lot of that anger will stem from the fact that, as Scott put it, many fans don't like major change.
* The Brad Meltzer arc that follows will be "revelatory." All these points are satisfied with Buffy losing her Slayer powers though. But hell, I'm a Spuffy shipper. If Buffy becomes a vampire, that's just one more reason for them to be good for each other. I can see how the idea would be advantageous, but I fail to see it working for the future of BtVS. Buffy the Vampire Slayer would become Buffy the Vampire who's-probably-not-a-Slayer
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Aug 11, 2009 21:27:12 GMT -5
All these points are satisfied with Buffy losing her Slayer powers though. But doesn't it look like that's going to happen before issue 30? To all the Slayers, it seems. The solicitation for 29 makes it look an awful lot like all the Slayers' powers are more than suppressed... they're lost. It would qualify if Buffy loses her powers forever... and ever, never to get them back in a season-ending reset. That from now on she'll be "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" only in that she's a woman named Buffy who slays vampires. I proposed that a few days ago, and I think it would fit well with Joss's humanist beliefs... that the battle should be won by Buffy, not by a bunch of magical powers using Buffy as a platform. The problem is, most fans would assume it's just temporary, like Angel and Willow turning evil or Buffy dying. That would certainly lessen the impact.
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Post by Wyndam on Aug 11, 2009 21:44:15 GMT -5
I absolutely love Hughes' cover. So fantastic. Jeanty's is great too. For a second I thought Joss was going to introduce the Gibborim into the Buffyverse. I wonder what Buffy is doing with her other hand in the Hughes cover. Almost looks like she's trying to fend off the stake. Looks to me like she is taking a defensive stance, stake held high and ready to strike, and her right hand close and ready to block an attack. I really am in love with that cover.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Aug 11, 2009 21:51:53 GMT -5
Well, it's pretty clear she's up against vampires at some point in #30.
Twilight himself, maybe?
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Post by hitnrun017 on Aug 12, 2009 0:00:46 GMT -5
Reading AndrewCrossett's theory that Buffy gets vamped reminded me of something that was posted here, and I finally found it (originally posted by Paul): cultureconundrum.wordpress.com/2009/02/19/buffy-and-angel-foilers/Basically it's a list of spoilers that appeared on the internet when Buffy/Angel was still on the air, and one of them involved Spike vamping.. err, siring Buffy. Probably just a rumor, but if it was a plan Joss actually came up with and scrapped, maybe he's decided to revive it. Personally, I think it'd be pretty cool to see.
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Post by diabeticdude202 on Aug 12, 2009 2:12:30 GMT -5
Sorry. I don't think Buffy should be vamped. I mean, yes, great plot twist, but a bit too far for me. I mean we've had characters become demons, and characters get souls, but vamping the main character is just ... a big no no in my book. I love Jeanty's cover. I think it symbolizes that the Scoobies will be broken by what has happened, either the revelation of Twilight, I don't know. I like the other cover, but I really, really, really, really, really, really, really MISS JO CHEN! lol
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Post by diabeticdude202 on Aug 12, 2009 3:58:10 GMT -5
Oh and with the first cover, people are saying it looks as thought the theory of her being vamped, but I don't see it as that. It looks as though she's a bit overdramatic here, like holding the stake up as if to say "This holds the power to our survival" as if her saying before, "The stake is not the power" suddenly took a big change ... because she is powerless.
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Post by CowboyGuy on Aug 12, 2009 4:30:18 GMT -5
Her right hand just looks posed in a fighting stance, to me.
I think that since it's pretty obscured by the snow, the main point is the look on her face as well as the stake itself. If by Issue 30, she has found a way to de-power herself (by the description that's what it sounds like) then maybe this is her getting her powers back. The stake and her hand are both glowy.
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Post by diabeticdude202 on Aug 12, 2009 4:56:46 GMT -5
True. As if she is getting impowered once again. Welcoming the magic, finally, after trying to lessen the magic for so long; like now that Twilight is here, she embraces the power to stop him!
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Aug 12, 2009 7:46:15 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure we're not gonna like whatever happens to Buffy in this issue, and I'm pretty sure the less we like it, the happier Joss will be.
It's gonna make us mad... remember?
Anyway, it's just a theory.
Maybe Buffy gets killed permanently in #30, and issues 31-40 are just a series of panels showing her body slowly decomposing. We keep reading, certain that sooner or later something will happen or she'll stir back to life, but she never does.
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cutiepatootie
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Post by cutiepatootie on Aug 12, 2009 8:04:21 GMT -5
The day Buffy becomes a vampire is the day I swan dive off the nearest building
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