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Post by Emmie on Oct 20, 2009 0:51:55 GMT -5
I've had this issue sitting on my desk ever since it was released almost two weeks ago and I finally sat down to read it. I really enjoyed it. I even laughed out loud at some parts and was mildly disappointed that Lynch had Angel take off the she-Spike mask before the spell happened (guess he was okay with flirting with that idea, but couldn't really go there, hm? Which I'm okay with. It's a fine line to walk and I think it landed well.)
But I have the complaint that I've had before. Yeah, been there. Done that. Where do you draw the line between being a shout-out to Whedon's past work (BtVS' Halloween) and being a ripoff of that work?
The plot just feels too referential, I'm still left wanting something original. First, referential to his own work, After the Fall, then referential to Whedon's Halloween episode. Admittedly, the whole concept is awesome with having people turn into their costumes at a Comic con. The panel of the superheroes flying at the end was incredibly fun. But it's like a fan watched Halloween and went 'Whoa, that spell was cool! I'm gonna use it for my own story set within the Whedonverse.'
It's like how both BtVS and AtS have memory loss episodes - Tabula Rasa and Spin the Bottle - but they accomplished this in notably different ways. Can I have some original phlebotinum?
One thing I do appreciate is the symbolism for Spike's characterization. He's lost, looking to find his way and falls in line behind Angel. Spike having identity issues is really the story here - that he's first depicted on screen as she-Spike, then loses his identity to the Angel mask at the end. Very clearly we have set-up for Spike's series that will be written by Lynch. And this is the most worthwhile part of the story to me, the meat of the story - Spike's characterization and the way Lynch is playing with his confusion. Which makes me wonder - is Spike really the point of this story? But I guess I'll find out in the next part. Once again, I'm left shaking my head at how Spike is getting the juiciest bits when they should be going to another character (like Spike helping Illyria to remember Fred alongside Wesley when it should have been Wes' final triumph, his swan song before he faded away. I LOVE Spike. A lot. But damn, that was Wes' epic moment and Lynch forced Spike into it when it was unnecessary and frankly, odd, because Spike barely knew Fred compared to everyone else, even Connor knew Fred better than Spike.)
All told, it was an incredibly entertaining read, light and fun. But when I look back, there's nothing for me to chew on and closer examination again leaves me disappointed with the Janus phlebotinum regurgitation - smacks too much of taking the easy way out in terms of plotting and creating the situation. Which is odd - because the Comic Con setting is brilliant, but the return of the Janus statue feels a bit lazy.
It's a light and funny story, but sadly lacking depth. What little depth is there is given over to Spike completely, even having Spike's fanboy Jeremy show up for the show. Where as in Halloween, every character changed into their costume for an important journey about learning to accept themselves as who they are (Buffy as the Slayer, Xander as a guy who can stand up for himself, Willow learning to come out of her shell), here it's only Spike who's going on a character journey of exploration. But this is the ANGEL title so where's the central development for Angel besides him playing the straight man to Spike's hilarity and actual character arc?
I guess I'll find out in Part 2 of the story. Which I will be buying because again, the story was very fun. But I'm still looking to peel back layers here and finding few layers to peel back and in a story about transforming identity, there should be hella layers.
This story worked really hard at 3 things - 1) Spike's characterization, 2) Setting the scene for Comic Con with oddball personalities, and 3) Being funny. And meanwhile, Angel is only there to watch the proceedings while he goes on a wild goose chase after the flaming sword which is apparently vital, but I'm still wondering why I or Angel should care what happens to it. Why does Angel care about the sword besides it being necessary to get him at Comic Con where he can watch all the HI-LARIOUS goings on and witness Spike's identity confusion manifest before his eyes? Angel is the onlooker, the one set apart, not forced to change, immutable. Presumably, he'll save the day as heroes often do, but will he have learned anything from this experience and will the audience have learned anything worthwhile about Angel's character?
I guess we'll see.
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Post by Brian Lynch on Oct 20, 2009 2:39:28 GMT -5
I am going to have a hell of a busy day tomorrow and won't be able to respond, so I'll take the time now. I love that you put this much thought and love into your post, thank you. A couple of notes:
::::Once again, I'm left shaking my head at how Spike is getting the juiciest bits when they should be going to another character (like Spike helping Illyria to remember Fred alongside Wesley when it should have been Wes' final triumph, his swan song before he faded away. I LOVE Spike. A lot. But damn, that was Wes' epic moment and Lynch forced Spike into it when it was unnecessary and frankly, odd, because Spike barely knew Fred compared to everyone else, even Connor knew Fred better than Spike.)
I think Spike really loved Fred. They bonded really quickly on the show, she worked tirelessly to bring him back to his original state when he first appeared. And the fact that Wesley told George to use Spike's thoughts of Fred was pay-off for much of ANGEL:ATF and SPIKE:ATF. It was built in since issue 2, and we were building towards it. Wesley and Fred's love was pure and perfect and ultimately heartbreaking, and I don't think it was undermined by Wesley suggesting Spike's thoughts be included. Again, we took great pains to set that up.
Bottom line, Wesley wanted to save Illyria and the world, and he did so, knowing it would be at the cost of his own existence.
:::::::All told, it was an incredibly entertaining read, light and fun.
That is literally all BOYS AND THEIR TOYS is supposed to be. Not a deep examination of anything (though, yes, we set up some SPIKE series stuff, and dip into Angel's psyche some). It is only supposed to be entertaining. A pallet cleanser after DRUSILLA and a nice little jaunt so I could say good-bye.
Finally, Angel didn't turn into Spike because I wanted to keep our lead our lead. And if Angel turned into Spike, he'd never see how Spike sees him, which is a big part of it.
Thank you, up and down, for reading and for caring. I love reading your thoughts on the issues.
EDIT: Jeepers, upon reading this, I did not express myself well. Forgive me.
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Post by Emmie on Oct 20, 2009 3:13:40 GMT -5
Sorry, I know you'll probably not have time to read this, but ah well... I think in the end I'll just have to (gracefully, I hope) disagree about Wes. With Wesley's final act before walking off into the sunset, well, that emotional moment to me would have perfectly encapsulated Wes' journey. But mostly, I think it was Wes' last act, his last way to help save the world. And I believe it was more Wes' than it will ever be Spike's no matter how much Spike loved Fred for the short time he knew her. That while Spike and Wes are equal in many ways to Illyria in importance (though I still favor Wes here also), I think there's no question that Fred was to Wes what Buffy was to Spike or Angel (the closest comparison I can think of). That the way Wes saw Fred for the last 3 years of her life, being in love with her, working to save her many times, even having to swallow his attachment when she was unavailable - well, it dwarfs the time that Spike haunted W&H as a ghost and then when he basically left the building by episode 8 and barely stopped by to even visit Fred. I think, as Wes was going to be saying his final goodbye, he deserved to have that moment be fully his own just as he deserved to be alone with Fred when she died in his arms and became Illyria. Now if Spike had actually stayed with Illyria post- After the Fall, I could view it as Wes passing on his sense of guardianship and helping Illyria find her humanity with Spike, but Illyria goes her own way with Gunn instead, so there was no symbolic passing of the torch there. Which only makes me wish more that it was Wesley's moment alone. That there's a poetic beauty to be found there that resonates more powerfully than the somewhat jarring inclusion of Spike. Just as he lost Fred in his arms to Illyria in A Hole in the World, he finds a way to restore a part of Fred within Illyria - that was Wes' journey, something Spike became a part of once Illyria was around, but when it comes to Fred - it will always be more Wesley. That Wes had earned this moment - that it was a fitting way to say goodbye to him. *** You know, you're restoring my hope here about Angel because I can see a lot of potential in him reacting to how Spike sees him. And I really appreciate that consideration and I hope that maybe there's some realizations for Angel to come to grips with... I think sometimes it's hard for me to read something in the Whedonverse and just go "light and fun" and that's it. I was having a discussion on another board about this and saying how even with "fluff", in this 'verse there is so much meaning there. Like with Smile Time, the meta about FOX execs - "You don't mess with the nest egg!" - and the character relationship development. A lot of heavy lifting going on there, veiled in metaphor, during 44 minutes of Angel being a puppet. So it's hard to let go of this expectation for meaning behind the set-up, for symbolism and intertwining character development. But really, thank you for sharing this bit about Angel for the next issue. I couldn't see where it was going, while I had a good read on Spike, so it helps qualm some worries there. I think for a few fans, myself included, there's been some worry about Angel's story. The sense that he's disappearing for a bit in his own title. There's a sense of entropy with the ensemble of AtS breaking free and Angel at its center seeming to be a bit lost. I admit, for the most part I have trouble emotionally connecting to Angel in a meaningful way recently and I haven't really since the end of After the Fall. One fan actually said they almost hoped Angel was Twilight just so there would be a clear direction for Angel's journey, some oomph to his story which has seemed to wander since the end of After the Fall. I did enjoy it. I hope that you can tell that underneath the thinky thoughts above and criticism. You had me laughing and smiling throughout - I just want to be able to take something meaningful away from the story also. To say, here's the heart of this story - cherish it.
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Post by Paul on Oct 20, 2009 11:01:05 GMT -5
Emmie, I completely 100% agree with you about Spike stealing Wesley's thunder. I always felt that should have been Wesley's big heroic moment, and Spike being there as well kind of diluted it. Yes, Spike loved Fred, but so did a lot of people in the series. That moment shouldn't have been about Spike at all; he already had his own spin-off title, can't Wesley have just one moment to himself?
Karma for your in-depth and honest review, btw.
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Post by henzINNIT on Oct 20, 2009 11:29:35 GMT -5
I didn't mind the familiarity of the Janus bust in this issue at all. This is all a bit of fun, and I thought it worked as a nod to fans and saves us from too much exposition. Besides, as previously mentioned, the episodes Tabula Rasa and Spin the Bottle are the same thing. I don't think coming up with unique situations for the same effect did anything to hide that, I just forgave it because of where it took the characters.
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Post by neowhobaz on Oct 20, 2009 11:37:24 GMT -5
Emmie: I agree with you to a degree about the Wesley/fred moment in that it should have been Wesley's moment but I don't regret the way Brian handled it. It wasn't a blatant slap at Wesley...more like a slight brush off. But with the whole Spike charicteriztion thing i think thats going to pay off in the next issue only because alot of it was set up for the next issue. Even though it's going to be Spike as Angel we'll see how Spike thinks of Angel without bias or facade in that way and more importantly I think we'll see how Angel see's himself when we realize that Spike's actions as him wont be in a mocking way but in a more looking up to a big brother way.
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Post by VampSlayer on Oct 20, 2009 16:26:53 GMT -5
Great posts, Emmie. I agree with you a lot, but not in other areas. I think Wesley offering to use Spike's memories was brilliant. It showed that Wes knew how much Spike felt for Fred, even though he himself did as well. Wes was willing to share "his moment" with Spike, and that is truely amazing if you ask me. I tried to post my feelings about this, but I'm not sure if I managed to get them onto my screen right... xD
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Post by Emmie on Oct 20, 2009 16:33:36 GMT -5
Emmie, I completely 100% agree with you about Spike stealing Wesley's thunder. I always felt that should have been Wesley's big heroic moment, and Spike being there as well kind of diluted it. Yes, Spike loved Fred, but so did a lot of people in the series. That moment shouldn't have been about Spike at all; he already had his own spin-off title, can't Wesley have just one moment to himself? Karma for your in-depth and honest review, btw. Thanks, Paul! Neowhobaz, I think it all boils down to this - which was the more powerful storytelling choice? Wesley and Spike or Wesley alone saving Illyria by helping to restore her humanity before he left the series for good. Was it necessary for Spike to be involved? No, it was not. Would it have been more emotionally powerful, more symbolic of Wes' journey and a more fitting end while saying goodbye to Wes' character if he had done it alone without Spike? Yes, it would have. That's why I think it should have been done this way. Including Spike didn't make the moment better but in fact sucked away meaning from something that could have been an EPIC moment. Why include Spike? It felt, in the end, like the story was working with the idea of 'Why not include Spike?' and didn't realize that that's a backwards way to approach the moment. It would have been more powerful without Spike involved for Wesley, his final heroic act and a statement on how he viewed his love - Spike muddied the waters. And it was unnecessary to include him - he didn't strengthen the scene but weakened it. When a character is making a story weaker, remove him from the moment. There was a reason that A Hole in the World had Fred and Wes alone - it made for more powerful drama. There was a reason that Shells ended with Illyria alone with Wes at the end - it made for more powerful drama. It's about truth of the moment. Spike weakened that storyline by his inclusion and it's especially bittersweet and unfortunate because Wes' connection to Fred and Illyria was INTENSELY private and complex (Wes is intensely private - remember Angel's surprise on discovering Wes and Fred were together at Fred's bedside in the hospital - "Wes and Fred? I didn't know.") - and it should have been his alone before he walked off into the sunset. It's like how Joss had Xander alone on top of that hill when Dark Willow was trying to destroy the world and he used his "yellow crayon" speech. Or how Buffy was alone when she killed Angel in Becoming. Those became iconic moments, defining emotional drama for this 'verse. And Wes' final moment with Illyria could have joined them in this power - all the components of epic were there - but Spike dragged it down. And I hate that because one of the hugest complaints about BtVS Season 7 and AtS Season 5 was that Spike was stealing other stories thunder. I never thought it was true. But in this scene, it's 100% absolutely true that Spike stole Wes' thunder and Wes had barely gotten to do anything through AtF the series on his own. Wes alone saving Illyria could have stood up next to Buffy killing Angel, Buffy stabbing Faith in Graduation Day, Angel slitting Connor's throat to save him in Home, Xander saving Willow with the "yellow crayon", Wesley saying goodbye to Lilah alone before he cut off her head (again, he's intensely private). The moment could have been epic. It fell short. It's disappointing. Like Paul said, Spike had his own mini-series, he had plenty of time alone in the spotlight. Wes, on the other hand, a much beloved character, deserved this moment to shine finally before walking off stage and Spike was the peg forced into the square hole. VampSlayer, Wesley being able to share this moment with Spike - again, why is that necessary? It's a more poignant, emotionally dramatic and meaningful moment to have it be Illyria and Wesley at the end, just as it was in the beginning when Illyria was reborn. The symbolism and symmetry of that is pretty undeniable. And giving Wes such an epic sendoff is almost necessary to justify bringing him back. Because as a writer, how do you top his final scene in Not Fade Away? Seriously. Lynch actually came close to earning Wes' return, but Spike's inclusion marred it for me. I'm left wondering - why did Wes even have to be there? What did he actually get to contribute that made it worthwhile to bring him back versus the epic quality of his death scene in Not Fade Away? If it had been Wes alone that helped Illyria, Wes' return would have been earned. Yes, of course, they needed Wes back for this - his last heroic stand. But instead, including Spike makes Wes experience interchangeable with Spike's - and that's not the case. Wes' connection to Fred was special and more intimate that what Spike had with her. But by including Spike, Wes becomes fungible, someone easily replaced by Spike - so again, why was it necessary to bring him back? If Wes alone could stop Illyria, his return would have been earned. Sharing his final gift with Illyria, the gift of humanity, the gift she'd sought to understand from him when she lost her ambition to rule the world and instead sought out Wes in order to fit in this new world. THAT - that would have made me cry. Instead, when I first read the scene I thought 'Why is Spike being included?' I guess Spike earned his inclusion with the line "Care Bear Love Stare" - but I'll take epically heartwrenching over funny any day. EVERY day. It could have been such a beautiful moment. It could have been epic in the truest sense of that word. Care Bear Love Stare sharing between Wes and Spike pales in comparison to the depth and power of what could have been if Wes alone had acted. It could have been a moment that stood the test of time, something that twisted your heart and made you remember it many years from now. Instead, it's a bit disappointing and kinda forgettable - the emotional power wasn't there. Not the way it was there when Connor died the issue beforehand. I didn't mind the familiarity of the Janus bust in this issue at all. This is all a bit of fun, and I thought it worked as a nod to fans and saves us from too much exposition. Besides, as previously mentioned, the episodes Tabula Rasa and Spin the Bottle are the same thing. I don't think coming up with unique situations for the same effect did anything to hide that, I just forgave it because of where it took the characters. I think you missed my point, Henz, as I was the one who pointed out that Tabula Rasa and Spin the Bottle were similar BUT they didn't rip each other off. The similar effect was created with an original line of phlebotinum. Using the statue of Janus was just the easy way to go and in storytelling, originality gets you points, not borrowing plotlines from other stories. The one exception being if you borrow a story and improve upon it because the original was done poorly, but that's not the case with Halloween. They say every story has already been told before, but the key to storytelling is to make it feel new. Reusing the statue makes it an obvious repetition and that's a weakness. An unnecessary weakness.
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Post by kaleidoscope on Oct 20, 2009 23:45:58 GMT -5
For Illyria, the more memories that could be put in her mind, the better - especially now that Fred's memories had been purged from her as she returned to her original form. Now, she has the memories of not just a tender lover, but of a loving friend as well. Angel, Gunn and Cordy who were also loving friends were not available or not in the right space for the transfer.
As for whether the moment would have been better if Wes's memories alone had been used, it's a personal thing. For me, it became more beautiful because of Wes's incredible genorousity that he would include Spike in this act. It harked back to the scene in a previous issue, nine or ten I think where they had tentatively discussed Spike's feelings for Illyria-Fred. Again, it's all a peronal thing, no absolute wrong no absolute right.
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Post by Emmie on Oct 24, 2009 10:28:48 GMT -5
Well, in terms of no absolute wrong or no absolute right - subjectively I still maintain that drama draws more power form moments between individuals. I know there's been much explanation and fanwank made from not including Angel in the Fred-memories moment, but that wasn't made explicit (or even implicit) within the story so it's always jarring to me.
Sharing moments - sure, good. But again, Spike barely had any memories to share of Fred in comparison to Angel, and Angel's experience is again less in terms of Wes because Wes was always watching Fred so attentively.
And I'd have to wonder, since it's an incredibly arduous task for Betta George to take memories from a mind and force them into a resistant mind, that wouldn't it have made more sense for the focus to be just between two people - Wes and Illyria? It borders on making George all-powerful here. If he were going to struggle through this, it seems like quality of memories from one person who knew Fred the best mattered more than quantity of memories from two people, one of whom only knew her for a very short time. That and the fact that emotionally, Wes' opinion seems to have always mattered more to Illyria than anyone else's, even Spike's after she spent time with him in Hell. Wes is the one who can emotionally upset her. So again, it doesn't add up to me completely.
If Wes weren't about to walk off screen forever, if Wes hadn't been there at Illyria's birth alone, if Illyria hadn't been there at Wes' death in Not Fade Away alone, if they hadn't made such a strong connection together that dwarves all other connections - then I could accept the scene the way it is.
But because Wes was brought back, his return needed to be made worthwhile. This was done properly enough with Cordelia - we got LOTS of Angel and Cordy connecting one on one. That was absolutely not the case with Illyria and Wesley, arguably the most important relationship at the end of Season 5 besides Angel/Connor and Angel/Spike. There are a lot of good things about After the Fall - but it failed to live up to the nature of the Wes/Illyria relationship; it seemed like it gave up on highlighting it after Illyria turned back into Fred in #5 and we diverged into First Night. There was the one scene with Illyria gathering Wes' body but after that, it just fell off. This moment could have been a powerful statement for Wes and Illyria - a relationship that's always been about them connecting on a mental and emotional level. And because that was the basis of their connection, it didn't matter that Wes had no corporeal body.
Speaking of which, a huge missed opportunity would have been Illyria wondering why Wesley could not "get back in it" (the way Anya had done in The Body); why couldn't he return to his mortal body or if it were too damaged, she should have wondered what new, healthy body he could inhabit instead. After all, she was reborn in Fred's body. If she truly wanted Wesley back, that would have been her continued line of thought. Instead - Wes/Illyria is dropped. And it feels like Spike is shoehorned in when instead his place was at Angel's side (always picking at Angel) more than Illyria's, or how about continuing the relationship that had started with Spike and Connor?
So many relationships are dropped or weren't explored. I find myself reading and wondering why no satisfying Wes/Illyria, Spike/Connor, Gwen/Connor? I'd have happily traded all of First Night for some new development of all these relationships. I think that space could have been better used to deepen Wes/Illyria or if the goal was Wes/Illyria/Spike, to deepen that and give it stronger thematic meaning. If the triangle was intended, then it would have helped to have more Wes/Illyria to show him passing the torch before Wes actually relinquishes it, to have more Wes/Illyria development to show how Wes must pass the torch, why he would start to pass the torch. Because again, their connection was intellectual and emotional - it had nothing to do with his physical presence.
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Post by Brian Lynch on Oct 24, 2009 12:41:25 GMT -5
Aw man, I thought this was more BOYS AND THEIR TOYS discussion.
I hope future writers pick up on the relationships you discussed.
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Post by Emmie on Oct 24, 2009 14:33:32 GMT -5
Aw man, I thought this was more BOYS AND THEIR TOYS discussion. I hope future writers pick up on the relationships you discussed. Discussion tends to go non-linear sometimes. I was kinda hoping other fans would want to discuss it.
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Post by Paul on Oct 24, 2009 16:53:07 GMT -5
So many relationships are dropped or weren't explored. I find myself reading and wondering why no satisfying Wes/Illyria, Spike/Connor, Gwen/Connor? I'd have happily traded all of First Night for some new development of all these relationships. This is a criticism I've leveled at After the Fall before... there's several new relationships introduced that go nowhere. Spike and Spider seems important at first, and gets a fair bit of panel time in S:AtF, but there's no conclusion... Spider doesn't get any resolution as a character and I wonder why she was created in the first place. Hopefully Brian will do something with her in the Spike ongoing, if only to justify her existence. More important... Spike and Connor. Connor says outright that Spike's like an uncle to him, but they barely interact. Aside from that lovely Dynamic Duo scene in S:AtF, there's very few scenes of the pair alone talking. Spike later takes credit for "raising" Connor, but it all happened off-panel. Similarly, we're supposed to believe that Connor and Gwen are in love, but they have no intimate scenes together. When Gwen betrays him, the emotion of the scene doesn't ring true at all because they've just been lumped together, with no attention paid to their relationship at all. Frankly, some fan fiction pairings have more chemistry than those two. Feels like we're just being told these relationships exist, and not seeing them play out for ourselves. Discussion tends to go non-linear sometimes. I was kinda hoping other fans would want to discuss it. I like it when threads go on tangents, sometimes it's nice to let the conversation flow naturally. Some forums are ridiculously strict about that, dishing out bans for off-topic posts.
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Post by Emmie on Oct 24, 2009 19:39:26 GMT -5
Discussion tends to go non-linear sometimes. I was kinda hoping other fans would want to discuss it. I like it when threads go on tangents, sometimes it's nice to let the conversation flow naturally. Some forums are ridiculously strict about that, dishing out bans for off-topic posts. Haha! Yeah, well you'll never have to worry about that here. I proudly support and engage in tangential discussion. ;D
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Post by Hellbound Hyperion on Oct 29, 2009 12:59:06 GMT -5
After four months of waiting for Diamond to fix their damn software so my LCS could get the Angel books, I broke down and cheated on my LCS to get Angel #26. I'm that desperate. I definitely like the fun story, but I also understand the restlessness that's coming from those of us here on the forum who analyze stuff that the Angel books haven't been in new territory for a while. Still, at least we know starting with #28 that a new story will be starting up, and besides, I like fun one-off stories every so often. I liked the issue, especially the last panel. My favorite moment, though, is the Angel-Spike dialogue where Angel is laying down the rules of engagement and then, in captions, saying what Spike will actually do. Spoke a lot to his character.
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Post by Wyndam on Dec 20, 2009 11:11:38 GMT -5
Also, while the repetition of the "Halloween" thing bothered Emmie, I loved it. Of all the things Joss is so, so amazing at, the one things he is bad at is consistent mythology. From vampires facial hair to nature of Hell and Evil and souls... a lot of it is inconsistent. Which is why I love the fact that the same object is being used again, because it just makes the 'verse--in my opinion--seem realer. To me, it always seemed false when something so big and important would be mentioned by Giles or discovered in research, and then never mentioned again. One of my favorite parts about that issue was that they were using the same method "Halloween" used. Wanted to bring this its proper thread, because this is how I feel as well. Saying it makes the 'verse "realer" is the best way to describe it, as that is exactly what it does. It's always refreshing to see mythology revisited.
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Post by VampSlayer on Apr 7, 2010 3:10:26 GMT -5
Went back, and read this...
Was anyone else shocked with Jeremy's personality? If my memory serves me right, he did not act like this in Hell. Here, he is very clingy to Spike, whereas I never saw him like that in AtF. He seemed like a attempt at remaking an Andrew-like character in this issue. Jeremy just was really different, imo; I really, really liked him in AtF, but felt as if this was a completely different character.
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Post by The Night Lord on Apr 7, 2010 4:03:45 GMT -5
^ Agreed. I was gonna bring this up after first reading the issues, but forgot all about it. Jeremy in this 2-parter is very different from Jeremy in S:ATF, something which annoyed me
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