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Post by NightlySorrow on Feb 5, 2010 22:49:16 GMT -5
Hellbound, sadly there's a lot of those "things" in the comics. I always forget to check the Q&A's since they moved them, thanks for the reminder.
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Post by wenxina on Feb 6, 2010 1:28:14 GMT -5
Faith is a complex issue. Technically, going by what we know, Faith was the Slayer who carried the Slayer line with her, pre-Scythe spell. Since then, who knows how things work. However, Buffy has always been recognized as the Slayer. Not just a Slayer. Even the First addressed her as such, through Caleb, when he told Shannon to deliver a message from him to the one and only, "accept no substitutes" Slayer. He meant Buffy of course. It was Buffy who pulled that Scythe out of solid rock. Perhaps Faith could have done the same, but fact remains, it was Buffy. Buffy is the figurehead of the Slayer Army. Buffy is also the one who hasn't given up yet. Faith on the other hand, kinda hung up her stakes at the end of "NFFY". Plus, in #26, she pretty much had enough of fighting and death, and in #28, in her heart-to-heart with Buffy, she sounded relieved to be free of her Slayer powers, saying that she wasn't strong enough to be what she needed to be to continue fighting. While some may feel that this is Faith being shafted, it should be noted that Faith was never a leader. She's a fighter, but not a leader. And given the fact that she's one of Twilight's three significant captives, I don't think her story is over just yet. I'll agree that Faith has been quite badly handled since her return in "Retreat" (actually, her initial return in "Safe" was horrendous), but that was one arc. There's hope that Meltzer will write her decently, though she was kinda caricature-ish in #32.
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Post by Hallow Thorn on Feb 6, 2010 3:29:50 GMT -5
Best part. Terminator preview, I hope Kyle's friends die soon, the female one like the woman at the start of T1 and the other guy, just soon. Anyway back to Buffy lol, kind of cheesy yet again. I can't wait to see what is in store for Giles, Andrew and Faith. I have never been a '1000's of Slayers' fan but so many dead did not make me happy but I love where they are going with this. (I hope no Aussie slayers died lol)
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Post by juniorwatcher on Feb 6, 2010 14:25:46 GMT -5
can someone please message me and recap everything from this issue for me.
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Post by DorothyFan1 on Feb 7, 2010 8:20:44 GMT -5
This is actually a very good question. Because Buffy is getting stronger it's possible it's taxing her immune system to the point of collapse. Twilight is in effect killing Buffy by giving her what she wants...power.
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Post by shaz on Feb 8, 2010 14:19:53 GMT -5
Exactly! I don't think the story will take this angle though, it's more focused the negative effects of so many Slayers...but it is worth considering. Buffy's new powers are being compared to Superman, but he was not human. Buffy is human (debatable demon part aside) and I'm really concerned that it will take its toll on her.
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Post by martodd on Feb 10, 2010 2:50:57 GMT -5
I instantly loved that issue, loved everything about it! I’m probably on my own about this, but I really think this issue was better then the previous one. There were SO many comic-book allusions, it felt amazing, just like a nerd-heaven And I too hope Faith will get more focus. She was okay in this issue, but still, she deserves more. But why don’t you like her return in Safe? I loved her issue there.
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Post by wenxina on Feb 10, 2010 8:12:13 GMT -5
And I too hope Faith will get more focus. She was okay in this issue, but still, she deserves more. But why don’t you like her return in Safe? I loved her issue there. "Safe", IMO was just horrible from all aspects. The writing was amateurish, at best. The last time we saw Faith at that point, she had matured considerably, and had decided on a new purpose in life. The Faith we saw at the end of "NFFY" was not present at all in "Safe". Instead, we had a very simplistic portrayal of Faith as a rather sulky Slayer, instead of one that was supposed to play social worker to troubled Slayers. And instead of being the equals that they talked about in "NFFY", Giles is back to being the disapproving patriarchal figure, who actually has to silence Faith on occasion. And then the art... the art was just terrible all around. Richards does this thing with flying trash and that little tendril of hair all the time. It's supposed to simulate movement, but it's dated, and it just gets old after a while. The entire issue was uninspired, and even the coloring had issues. I mean, that green tentacled monster was just boring to look at... and the color was so flat there, it wasn't even really fit to be published. So, yeah, that's the summary of my issues with "Safe". If you go back to the board for the discussion of Faith, I'm sure I go into much more detail there... and Emmie takes even more issue with the writing. Or, my full review is posted HERE.
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Post by Paul on Feb 10, 2010 9:12:21 GMT -5
And I too hope Faith will get more focus. She was okay in this issue, but still, she deserves more. But why don’t you like her return in Safe? I loved her issue there. "Safe", IMO was just horrible from all aspects. The writing was amateurish, at best. The last time we saw Faith at that point, she had matured considerably, and had decided on a new purpose in life. The Faith we saw at the end of "NFFY" was not present at all in "Safe". Instead, we had a very simplistic portrayal of Faith as a rather sulky Slayer, instead of one that was supposed to play social worker to troubled Slayers. And instead of being the equals that they talked about in "NFFY", Giles is back to being the disapproving patriarchal figure, who actually has to silence Faith on occasion. And then the art... the art was just terrible all around. Richards does this thing with flying trash and that little tendril of hair all the time. It's supposed to simulate movement, but it's dated, and it just gets old after a while. The entire issue was uninspired, and even the coloring had issues. I mean, that green tentacled monster was just boring to look at... and the color was so flat there, it wasn't even really fit to be published. So, yeah, that's the summary of my issues with "Safe". If you go back to the board for the discussion of Faith, I'm sure I go into much more detail there... and Emmie takes even more issue with the writing. Or, my full review is posted HERE. I don't hate the art quite as much as you (but I do find it bland) but otherwise I agree with everything you said. "Safe" was rubbish, it felt like one of the old non-canon Dark Horse Buffy comics.
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Post by Midnight Butterfly on Feb 10, 2010 12:33:22 GMT -5
Good issue, not one of my favorites though.
I completely agree that what Buffy is going through is not only cool, but worrying. Not only is it killing other slayers but as was mentioned before, Buffy is human. I don't think Buffy can posses this power forever, in fact it may prove too much for her sooner than we think. Also, Buffy's increasing power could kill Faith, right? Just like it can the other slayers
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Post by martodd on Feb 10, 2010 12:55:26 GMT -5
Wow, I didn’t know the issue was that much hated… Actually “Predators and Prey” was my second-favorite story ( I pretty much hated something or a lot of things in “The Long Way Home”, “Wolves at the Gate”, and “Time of Your Life”). I used to read the comics just for myself and didn’t know what other people think of the stories at all. “No Future for You” was the only story I instantly loved and even it has some low parts around the ending, in my opinion. “Predators and Prey” was the first arc that really hooked me up and I also thought that “Retreat” was quite good, that’s why I decided to check what other people thought of Season 8. So I guess my opinion differs rather drastically from the opinion of the majority readers. I think I would read more about the old issues Back to the current issue – do you think Amy and rest of the “ex”-villains are telling the truth about Twilight?
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Feb 10, 2010 13:06:04 GMT -5
Good issue, not one of my favorites though. I completely agree that what Buffy is going through is not only cool, but worrying. Not only is it killing other slayers but as was mentioned before, Buffy is human. I don't think Buffy can posses this power forever, in fact it may prove too much for her sooner than we think. Also, Buffy's increasing power could kill Faith, right? Just like it can the other slayers I don't think the power is killing Slayers directly... but I think it may be manipulating people to kill Slayers and thus consolidate the power. I didn't hate "Safe" as much as some... I thought it was a pretty pedestrian filler issue. I don't mind Faith's portrayal in #32. It shows how Faith not in control of a situation still = scared Faith, which still = angry Faith. I kind of like how she pulled her punch on Andrew so as not to really hurt him. It shows how she's not into hurting people anymore, but she hasn't turned into a powder puff either.
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Post by Whedon Fan on Feb 10, 2010 13:20:49 GMT -5
It was very good but I'm glad we are getting to the "oh what is the consequeces of this=bad part" of Buffy gaining these extra 'powers' just like in season 3 when Buffy got the asp-ect of the demon and could read peoples minds. Question though: If Buffy is getting her powers from other slayers, fair enough the extra strength and should be able to m ove quicker and jump higher. . those are the normal 'powers' of a slayer but why can she fly? If she is getting the powers from the dead slayers. It doesn't fit really. (well it does in the fact tyat it is another no budget, do what we want thing) and I don't really have that big a problem with it I just think if you are going to do it and come up with a reason why It should fit better than his. Keeping it short today, over all really liked the issue but looking forward to next months waaaay more. Season 8 - Twilight Part 1: Issue 32: 8/10
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Post by cutiepatootie on Feb 10, 2010 14:42:54 GMT -5
I'm still having trouble with all these Slayers dropping like flies. Buff is as tough as nails, how come all the others are dying so easily? And you can't attribute this to lack of experience, or lack of defence, I mean, if Buffy and Satsu, two slayers, can take out an entire military base, surely a squad of Slayers can handle a mob, guns or no.
EDIT: I just realised how poorly structured this sentence is ;O;, bad English student, bad!
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Post by Billie Erin on Feb 10, 2010 14:54:26 GMT -5
I'm still having trouble with all these Slayers dropping like flies. Buff is as tough as nails, how come all the others are dying so easily? And you can't attribute this to lack of experience, or lack of defence, I mean, if Buffy and Satsu, two slayers, can take out an entire military base, surely a squad of Slayers can handle a mob, guns or no. Then again Buffy was always heralded as being one of the most durable slayers what was it that Spike said? . . . something like "they're beginning to think you're invincible" and I mean Spike killed two slayers, and much as I love Spike he isn't that dangerous and a slayer who could be killed by him afetr just one fight probably doesn't hold a candle to Buffy
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Post by wenxina on Feb 10, 2010 14:57:00 GMT -5
Buffy and Satsu had the element of surprise on their side; the military base was not expecting their weapon to backfire (literally), and it was chaos. On the other hand, these Slayer squads are being taken out by organized groups, probably with superior weapons. No Slayer carries a gun, was Buffy's motto, and it's unlikely that the girls all over the world had access to guns. Slayers are not invulnerable to major injuries. Buffy nearly died when a bullet came close to hitting her heart (saved by Dark Willow), and was even quite badly injured when impaled by her own stake in "Fool for Love" (I think that was the ep). And it's not clear as to whether these marauding Slayer lynchers are human... we know that Twilight has demons doing his bidding too.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Feb 10, 2010 15:06:42 GMT -5
Buffy and Satsu had the element of surprise on their side; the military base was not expecting their weapon to backfire (literally), and it was chaos. On the other hand, these Slayer squads are being taken out by organized groups, probably with superior weapons. No Slayer carries a gun, was Buffy's motto, and it's unlikely that the girls all over the world had access to guns. Slayers are not invulnerable to major injuries. Buffy nearly died when a bullet came close to hitting her heart (saved by Dark Willow), and was even quite badly injured when impaled by her own stake in "Fool for Love" (I think that was the ep). And it's not clear as to whether these marauding Slayer lynchers are human... we know that Twilight has demons doing his bidding too. The attackers may even be powered by Slayer magic themselves... if the magic is actively trying to eliminate the "excess" Slayers and consolidate their power back into one place. (I've got this bit in my teeth and I'm not letting it go. )
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Post by cutiepatootie on Feb 10, 2010 15:15:07 GMT -5
Mmm valid points all of you, but it still feels wrong that all these girls are dying so easily. I guess Buffy is just a hard act to follow and I'm comparing them all to her. To the superior weapon point I agree, although again with Long Way Home, there was significant bullet dodging. I suppose what I'm just saying is, there's gotta be SOME Slayers who have survived. Come on! Andrew, nice theory. Although I hope that's not the case. I think I'm of the minority of those who actually like the increase of Slayers, and like I've said, I really wish Buff would of gotten her act together earlier on and did a sweep with all the Slayers and eliminated vampires, who we know are indefinately evil. Although, then there'd be no plot and no fun
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Feb 10, 2010 15:20:37 GMT -5
I think I'm of the minority of those who actually like the increase of Slayers, I like the Slayer army too, but Joss only creates nice things so he can smash them with a hammer.
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Post by cutiepatootie on Feb 10, 2010 15:26:29 GMT -5
I like the Slayer army too, but Joss only creates nice things so he can smash them with a hammer. Yep, that's true. Ah, another minority, Satsu for the total win! I think the mass Slayer cull has hit me hard because I thought the idea of the squads was really neat. The spin-off posibilities were practically endless.
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