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Post by AndrewCrossett on Nov 13, 2009 10:45:19 GMT -5
All indications are that Buffy is going into full-on Supergirl mode during this coming arc (at least), and that's going to alienate quite a few fans who just don't like superhero comics, or think it's a bad idea to apply that genre to Buffy.
As we've seen (even more so recently, with Dollhouse, Dr. Horrible, etc.), Joss is going to tell the story he wants to tell, no matter what, and if that doesn't suit the mass audience, so be it.
There are some people who take the attitude, "Here's the story I want to see, and the more Joss strays from that story, the more it sucks." Others (including me) just decide we're going to let the storyteller tell his story, and trust that it will be a good one in the end. I've never been disappointed yet. I haven't liked every story decision he's made, and I haven't loved every chapter or episode that he's done, but I've never disliked a Whedon story in its entirety. And I'd say season 8 is trending well above average in terms of enjoyability for me.
Buffy can fly all she wants, as long as she flies into a good story.
As for the Buffy-is-Twilight theory, the biggest question mark is, why does he/she remember certain things and not others? If she remembers that a giant Tibetan goddess almost killed her, why didn't she remember she went to Tibet in the first place, and had to rely on Amy to find out?
And why would she hire nimrods like Amy and Warren to be her closest assistants? She knows perfectly well they're both untrustworthy, unstable, and only sporadically competent. If she has enough personal influence to have the governments of the world wrapped around her finger, why couldn't she find better henchpeople?
The only explanation would be, she needs them specifically for some probably mystical reason... maybe because of the personal connections they have with Buffy and Willow? That would explain why she sought them out in the first place, and why she accepts so much disrespect from them... but it wouldn't explain why she's given them genuine responsibilities and relies on them for things like finding the Slayers.
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Post by krazyxxxdj on Nov 13, 2009 13:29:47 GMT -5
As for the Buffy-is-Twilight theory, the biggest question mark is, why does he/she remember certain things and not others? If she remembers that a giant Tibetan goddess almost killed her, why didn't she remember she went to Tibet in the first place, and had to rely on Amy to find out? And why would she hire nimrods like Amy and Warren to be her closest assistants? She knows perfectly well they're both untrustworthy, unstable, and only sporadically competent. If she has enough personal influence to have the governments of the world wrapped around her finger, why couldn't she find better henchpeople? The only explanation would be, she needs them specifically for some probably mystical reason... maybe because of the personal connections they have with Buffy and Willow? That would explain why she sought them out in the first place, and why she accepts so much disrespect from them... but it wouldn't explain why she's given them genuine responsibilities and relies on them for things like finding the Slayers. No, you're exactly right. The TwilightBuffy theory is fulll of holes, that would definitely have to be explained. Maybe because they are both Buffy, TwilightBuffy isn't remembering - because none of this would have happened during HER first linear run through the present day. TwilightBuffy is what instigated these events, the run to Tibet, etc - she wouldn't remember it. Maybe they are a bit mentally connected or empathic, I'm not sure. Just taking a guess from the Q & A answer that was given about them being linked. No TwilightBuffy to cause all of this, how did she get all these powers then? It's very far-fetched to say something else took all of the other slayers (& Willow's) powers and gave them to TwilightBuffy in her own time. But, then again, maybe that's why future Willow was so weak. As for Amy & Warren, my guess would be that she's just keeping them close as so they don't stir up any trouble for her or mess up any plans. She can handle them & knows it. This makes my head hurt. Again, it's just a theory. I really want to figure this out before the reveal - or at least be close. For all i know, it could be a future Xander, back to stop Buffy before something happens to Dawn. It's either going to turn out as --- there were clues throughout this whole thing and we didn't see them, and are going to go WOW WOW WOW --or something totally lame & conjured just to end the story.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Nov 13, 2009 15:02:35 GMT -5
Of course if Twilight is really Harth Fray, he could have sporadic knowledge through his dreams of things that happened to Buffy... maybe he dreamed about the goddess almost killing them, but not about the trip to Tibet.
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Post by nmcil on Nov 16, 2009 0:22:18 GMT -5
Thanks for posting the Intro Superman Cover - much appreciated
Does anyone recall seeing an image very much like The Twiglight Symbol in one of the episodes of the series. I think we have seen this symbol before but I just can't recall in which episode.
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Post by Tea - Total on Nov 16, 2009 7:38:13 GMT -5
So the story is going to be Buffy vs Buffy (twilight).
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Post by Rebecca on Nov 16, 2009 16:41:48 GMT -5
Thanks for posting the Intro Superman Cover - much appreciated Does anyone recall seeing an image very much like The Twiglight Symbol in one of the episodes of the series. I think we have seen this symbol before but I just can't recall in which episode. As far as I know, it hasn't been discussed, or even brought up yet. If you could find what you're thinking of, it would be very interesting
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Post by wenxina on Nov 17, 2009 19:20:07 GMT -5
So, I was rereading "TLWH" this last weekend... and there's a scene where Giles is talking to one of the demons (same race as the ones Buffy and her team slew in the chapel). Behind Giles, there's a glimpse of something that kinda looks like Twilight's chest plate... just without the sign. Don't think it's really anything... but it did make me wonder for a bit.
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Post by Paul on Nov 17, 2009 20:43:31 GMT -5
All indications are that Buffy is going into full-on Supergirl mode during this coming arc (at least), and that's going to alienate quite a few fans who just don't like superhero comics, or think it's a bad idea to apply that genre to Buffy. As we've seen (even more so recently, with Dollhouse, Dr. Horrible, etc.), Joss is going to tell the story he wants to tell, no matter what, and if that doesn't suit the mass audience, so be it. There are some people who take the attitude, "Here's the story I want to see, and the more Joss strays from that story, the more it sucks." Others (including me) just decide we're going to let the storyteller tell his story, and trust that it will be a good one in the end. I've never been disappointed yet. I haven't liked every story decision he's made, and I haven't loved every chapter or episode that he's done, but I've never disliked a Whedon story in its entirety. And I'd say season 8 is trending well above average in terms of enjoyability for me. Buffy can fly all she wants, as long as she flies into a good story. Karma. I particularly like that last sentence. I've never really worried about direction of Buffy. I've always trusted that Joss knows the character, and what should be done with her, whether others like it or not. Many (including SMG if the hearsay is to be believed) disagreed with Buffy's S6 arc, but in the long run it made her a deeper, more three dimensional character and I applaud Joss for that courageous development. Likewise, with Season Eight, the actual plot never worries me. Buffy can fly now? Cool, let's see how that goes. While I have issues with the pacing and execution of certain areas, I'm sure the overall direction for the character will be solid. As for the merging of genres, to complain about superhero/comic book elements being introduced to Buffy is ridiculous. Buffy was always a comic book superhero... she just happened to be on TV. She was based on Kitty Pryde (who, as it happens, can fly) and has been compared to Spider-Man and Wonder Woman. Both Buffy and Angel became increasingly more comic booky as the shows progressed (Dark Willow anyone? Connor?), and the transition to actual comic books has been pretty natural IMO. Who cares if Buffy can fly, loads of superheroes fly. I agree with Andrew that some people have very narrow views about what Buffy "should be"... I think some would rather it was nothing but a gothic teen romance, since perpetual Buffy/Angel/Spike shipping seems to be the only aspect many people care about (not on this board, but generally in the real world).
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Post by wenxina on Nov 17, 2009 21:15:07 GMT -5
Off-topic... can Kitty Pryde actually fly? I thought her mutant ability was to "phase" through anything... something about modifying her molecular density so that she can pass through solid objects. And also alter the molecular density of just about anything that she touches, limited only by energy constraints.
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Post by Paul on Nov 17, 2009 21:26:50 GMT -5
Off-topic... can Kitty Pryde actually fly? I thought her mutant ability was to "phase" through anything... something about modifying her molecular density so that she can pass through solid objects. And also alter the molecular density of just about anything that she touches, limited only by energy constraints. She can walk on air molecules or some nonsense which allows her to levitate... basically technobabble for flying. The comics and other media aren't always very consistant in their portrayal of this ability though, it's one of her lesser known powers.
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Post by CowboyGuy on Nov 17, 2009 21:38:59 GMT -5
Off-topic... can Kitty Pryde actually fly? I thought her mutant ability was to "phase" through anything... something about modifying her molecular density so that she can pass through solid objects. And also alter the molecular density of just about anything that she touches, limited only by energy constraints. While phasing, she does not physically walk on surfaces, but rather interacts with the molecules of air above them, allowing her to ascend and descend, allowing her to seemingly walk on air. Otherwise she would always just phase into the ground due to gravity! So she can, in a sense fly.
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Post by wenxina on Nov 17, 2009 21:43:55 GMT -5
I guess that does kinda make sense. Thanks.
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Post by CowboyGuy on Nov 17, 2009 22:03:21 GMT -5
As for flight being so out of left field...I beg anyone complaining to simply watch Buffy all over again, and remember other silly things such as: - Computers with demons in them, that come alive in a mechanical body
- Puppets that have souls
- Inca Mummy girl
- Praying Mantis teacher!
- Hyena people!
- People being turned to rats
- Robots made for sex
- Buffy has also been able to read minds!
- Buffy has also been able to stop bullets and turn missiles to doves
And that isn't even all of the comic-y things from the actual show. Simple flight isn't that big of a stretch of imagination, really.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Nov 18, 2009 13:24:17 GMT -5
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Post by wenxina on Nov 18, 2009 15:23:26 GMT -5
So Meltzer's run is back to 4 issues now? Interesting. Thanks for the find... nothing really new, but I think anything to tide us over will be appreciated. Wonder what the great geek moment is... Buffy dressed as Princess Leia? That's a fanboy classic.
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Post by rogue11 on Nov 21, 2009 12:41:01 GMT -5
see that guy on the cover with Buffy squashing the train, the guy in the front...... Is that supposed to be Like Joss Whedon or one of the other people involved in this project?
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Post by Rebecca on Nov 21, 2009 12:48:59 GMT -5
Those three people are believed to be Joss Whedon, Georges Jeanty (penciler), and Jo Chen (cover artist). I think this remains to be confirmed by Georges, however.
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Post by Emmie on Nov 21, 2009 13:15:14 GMT -5
Those three people are believed to be Joss Whedon, Georges Jeanty (penciler), and Jo Chen (cover artist). I think this remains to be confirmed by Georges, however. Not quite - it was confirmed by Allie that it's Joss Whedon, Georges Jeanty and then Scott Allie.
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Post by Rebecca on Nov 21, 2009 15:56:15 GMT -5
Oops. I saw the question posed (but not heard back from) in Georges' Q&A, but I guess not Scott Allie's Q&A.
ETA: Just came back from reading Scott's most recent Q&A, and the previous, and I can't find any mention of it. Could you give a quote, Emmie?
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Post by Emmie on Nov 21, 2009 16:03:26 GMT -5
Hee! Yeah, if you look closely at the cover, you'll see the hair is kinda more cork-screw curly like Allie's compared to the straight hair of Chen's. Plus, to me, the body has a lean masculinity to it.
This actually wasn't in a Q&A, though. Scott answered through an email and I posted that in this thread earlier when the discussion just started.
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