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Post by Beaumonde on Dec 4, 2009 9:19:45 GMT -5
I don't think they're wearing glasses. It just looks like an ear or a hair to me. They know that putting something like that on the cover will make fans think "GILES!" and it's hard to tell what colour the hair is supposed to be cos of that stupid light.
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Post by BuffyFaithFan on Dec 4, 2009 10:29:29 GMT -5
I can't wait to see who it is! As for the hair, could be just a reflection from the light.
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Neil
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Post by Neil on Dec 4, 2009 11:18:10 GMT -5
Yeah, I don´t see glasses too.
But if it is Giles Joss seems to run out of ideas.
For the whole run on TV he refused to use Giles as a villain (though Anthony Stewart Head always wanted to), but for the comic it´s okay? That would be really lame, no matter what reason Giles would have (like "Buffy, your Slayer-Spell got out of control. Your magic should be banished).
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Dec 4, 2009 11:43:41 GMT -5
If it's Giles it has to be future Giles, since we've obviously seen them in different places at the same time... so we don't really know what might happen in the future to cause this.
To make it a good storytelling decision, there would have to have been foreshadowing... "Giles turns evil for some reason in the future" would just be random and arbitrary. And there has been foreshadowing with Giles, going all the way back to season 3 and his resentment of Buffy's continuing relationship with Angel after he killed Jenny and tortured Giles... continuing on through their increasingly distant and sometimes strained relationship in seasons 6 and 7 and earlier in season 8.
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Post by BenTaylor3907 on Dec 4, 2009 13:32:32 GMT -5
It very well could be Spike. Twilight referenced Buffy splitting Caleb in Chosen in A Beautiful Sunset. The people who were there: Buffy, Caleb, Angel (eventually), and Spike (unknown amount of time). Also, there has been little information on the Spike series. Yes, Spike is way obvious but maybe thats the point So obvious that no one will think its him and then BAM, Spike appears.
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Neil
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Post by Neil on Dec 4, 2009 14:25:09 GMT -5
Good point on Spike and the comment in A Beautiful Sunset.
@andrewcrosset: Please don´t get me wrong, no offense intended, but the foreshadowings aren´t really ones.
Giles having resentments in season 3 is because he cares about Buffy and is afraid, she could get harmed. As Twilight he definetely tried to harm her.
Giles wanting to kill Angelus after he killed Jenny and got tortured was a regular feeling of rage and the desire of revenge. This isn´t necessarily a way to the dark side, because he wanted to stop Angelus as well. (it´s not comparable to Anakin Skywalker killing all the Tusken Raiders because of scorn; more like wanting revenge on the one hand and stop an evil being on the other)
The distant relationship in season six and seven was just because Giles wanted to get Buffy grow up with the drasitc mean of leaving her all alone (season six) and because of his conspiring with Robin Wood (season 7). Between these two events they were still hanging out together, liking and caring about each other
So, to me this isn´t enough for a proper foreshadowing.
Especially the event with Angelus is a lot like killing Ben in the season 5 finale. He does something drastic to save a lot of people.
But he has never turned against Buffy directly. It would be out of character and I think that´s why Joss Whedon was against the "Giles-becomes-the-villain"-storyline.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Dec 4, 2009 15:40:03 GMT -5
Foreshadowing isn't usually obvious until after the fact. Giles *was* very definitely unhappy with Buffy for re-connecting with Angel in season 3. It didn't seem to manifest itself as lasting resentment then, but you would now be able to look back and make a case for it. Your interpretations of Giles' actions and his state of mind might not necessarily be correct.
The point is, if Joss wanted to have Giles be Twilight, there's stuff in his past he could point to and say, "See? The signs were there. I didn't just pull this out of my ass."
It might be out of character for present-day Giles, but Twilight obviously can't be present-day Giles. We don't know how things might have changed in the future. The things Future Dark Willow did weren't in character for Willow either.
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Post by Neil on Dec 4, 2009 16:30:12 GMT -5
But Dark Willow isn´t Normal Willow, so it´s hard to compare the two of them and use them as an example of being out of character, do we agree on that?
And I don´t really see what could happen, so that Giles stops loving Buffy and would accept to harm her.
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Post by richieshag89 on Dec 4, 2009 17:12:51 GMT -5
I know it may be a stretch but does anyone remember in After The Fall when illyria puts spike through one of her time slips or whatever and there is a panel of spike in the future? he has some kind of weird scythe and is wearing different clothes definitely worht taking s second look. I dont know how that would work considering the idw/dark horse drama but still take a look at it
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Post by Neil on Dec 4, 2009 17:16:52 GMT -5
Very interesting!
It could be an interesting explanation for Spike being Twilight.
It might be just me, but I have the feeling that the black Twilight face has blonde curls.
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Post by Hallow Thorn on Dec 4, 2009 17:32:54 GMT -5
Where is all the Cordelia love? How is Cordelia relevant to this? What the hell? it was a side joke because of 'President of the "We Hate Cordelia Club"! if you read the posts above me you would know, I was just trying to join in on the joke.... sorry for posting, I will never try and join in again.! Anyway, I like AndrewCrossett point of showing the signs of were in the past (of the tv show) Giles could of had his turning points of evil. ----------------- For below: I was not going to start a new post about this. I can't help the time difference and the 'stale' joke was only two posts down and I wanted to join in. but will do. (sorry about my 'tone', bad week )
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Post by wenxina on Dec 4, 2009 17:48:20 GMT -5
Next time, quote it... the time difference thing makes it a little difficult once the joke's gone stale.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Dec 4, 2009 17:54:01 GMT -5
But Dark Willow isn´t Normal Willow, so it´s hard to compare the two of them and use them as an example of being out of character, do we agree on that? And I don´t really see what could happen, so that Giles stops loving Buffy and would accept to harm her. Dark Willow is the same person as normal Willow. There's no reason something similar couldn't happen to Giles. I agree our Giles wouldn't just decide to try and destroy Buffy one day without something happening to trigger this. Something happened to make Willow try to destroy her best friend... maybe the same thing that made Giles do the same. It would be emotionally hard to see Giles brought to such a state, but it was hard to see Willow brought to such a state too... in ToYL, and in season 6... and it was hard to watch Angel looking at Buffy through her window and laughing at her tears after he killed Jenny. The fact that it will be hurtful makes it *more* likely Joss would go that route, not less likely. Not saying I necessarily think Twilight is Giles... but I think it's a definite possibility. He's one of my top suspects.
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Post by Neil on Dec 5, 2009 15:08:13 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree.
To me, Giles was for a very long time the prime suspect, especially, as you state out, because it´s so hurtful.
But while I thought that it always felt out of nowhere (well, you brought good points that it´s not completely out of nowhere), I started to wonder.
So, that´s why I hope and go along with the theory, that it´s a future Spike, which would fit in so many ways (especially because he´s immortal). And richieshag89´s point about Spike in the future with a scythe could be a good link between After the Fall and season 8 as well, especially because Joss was having his input on After the Fall. Like a little moment that gewts a lot more significance when you know the whole picture.
That´s why I would like to see this happening, instead of Giles. But that´s just me.
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Post by wenxina on Dec 5, 2009 16:29:16 GMT -5
Y And richieshag89´s point about Spike in the future with the scythe could be a good link between After the Fall and season 8 as well, especially because Joss was having his input on After the Fall. The axe Spike was carrying was NOT the Scythe. It's been confirmed by Brian Lynch that it isn't.
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Post by Emmie on Dec 5, 2009 18:53:43 GMT -5
How is Cordelia relevant to this? What the hell? Thorn, no need to take this personally with Wenxina. I'm sure you noticed that several other people were confused by your post. So while you're going "what the hell?" because everyone expressed confusion there were a bunch of members and probably even more lurkers going "what the hell does Cordelia have to do with this?" But hey! Let's all try to not go "what the hell?" to each other.
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Post by Neil on Dec 5, 2009 19:22:47 GMT -5
Sorry wenxina. I just read relied on richieshag89´s post. Not every volume of the After the Fall series has been published in germany and I haven´t seen the picture with Spike holding it.
So, where´s it in?
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Post by wenxina on Dec 5, 2009 20:02:08 GMT -5
Sorry wenxina. I just read relied on richieshag89´s post. Not every volume of the After the Fall series has been published in germany and I haven´t seen the picture with Spike holding it. So, where´s it in? It's in AtF #4. So that should be in the first volume, I think. It very superficially resembles the Scythe from afar, but even if it was supposed to be the Scythe, it's a poor rendering, since most of the iconic details are missing.
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Post by Neil on Dec 5, 2009 20:03:58 GMT -5
Thank you!
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Post by richieshag89 on Dec 6, 2009 4:30:27 GMT -5
never said it was THE scythe, i knew it wasnt. but it is a similar scythe. It almost looks like an evil version of the scythe. but again its probably unrelated just worth considering
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