Hellbound Hyperion
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Post by Hellbound Hyperion on Dec 21, 2009 19:25:32 GMT -5
Just checked. FDW's death scene involved green smoke and green crackling energy. And her eyes glowed greenish... coincidence? Methinks not so much. Awesome sauce? Probably, with more to come. EPIC.I'm too excited for this. And I'll be moving in the week after it comes out, so I won't have to wait too long to buy it!
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Post by Emmie on Dec 21, 2009 19:31:21 GMT -5
I'm salivating at finally getting the payoff from ToYL that some said would never come! Whee!
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Dec 21, 2009 20:27:08 GMT -5
Considering the continuity goofs lately, I have this horrible vision of Joss saying "What? They were captured in the last issue? Why does nobody tell me these things?" Just kidding. I think. But yeah, aside from that bit of strangeness, it's great. So Willow is feeling the aftershock of her future death, it seems. But has she gotten her powers back? And why is it happening now? I can't wait any longer. I must travel forward in time and read the last two trade paperbacks. *pop* ETA: And am I a bad person for thinking something entirely different than what Joss meant by "Doing it with Willow was scary... doing it by myself is weird"? And am I an even worse person for thinking Joss meant for me to think that?
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Post by wenxina on Dec 21, 2009 20:41:23 GMT -5
Yeah... you're a pretty horrible person.
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Post by Emmie on Dec 21, 2009 20:51:30 GMT -5
LOL! I'm pretty sure that we all got the double entendre-ness there. If only Buffy had flashed back to her favorite song growing up, "I Touch Myself."
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Post by Hellbound Hyperion on Dec 21, 2009 22:18:32 GMT -5
LOL! I'm pretty sure that we all got the double entendre-ness there. If only Buffy had flashed back to her favorite song growing up, "I Touch Myself." Or perhaps even "Touch Me" from Rocky Horror Picture Show? ...My gods, what has he done to us?!
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Post by Emmie on Dec 21, 2009 23:25:38 GMT -5
Ford: Well, I was a manly sixth-grader. I couldn't bother with someone that young.
Buffy: It was terrible. I moped over you for months. Sitting in my room listening to that Divinyls song 'I Touch Myself'.
She realizes how what she just said could be taken and casts a nervous look at Xander and Willow.
Buffy: Of course, I had no idea what it was about.
Ford nervously scratches his temple with his finger. Xander just smiles and nods.
--- "Lie to Me" Apparently the Buffster is still unaware of what it's about if we're to go by her lack of ironic tone in the lines from the preview.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Dec 21, 2009 23:51:47 GMT -5
Apparently the Buffster is still unaware of what it's about if we're to go by her lack of ironic tone in the lines from the preview. Well, she's distracted. Man... we now have three sets of preview pages for issues that haven't come out yet. These long delays between issues are gonna drive me mental. (Short drive, I know. Maybe more of a bike ride.)
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Post by Hellbound Hyperion on Dec 22, 2009 0:03:23 GMT -5
Apparently the Buffster is still unaware of what it's about if we're to go by her lack of ironic tone in the lines from the preview. Well, she's distracted. Man... we now have three sets of preview pages for issues that haven't come out yet. These long delays between issues are gonna drive me mental. (Short drive, I know. Maybe more of a bike ride.) It's a breezy walk for me. But don't worry, I'm right there with ya. Buffy's about to get more awesome and the wait is nothing but pure torture. I particularly want to know why Scott didn't answer us a few Q&As ago when we asked about Faith and the Scythe. The classic "no spoilers" came back at us for both, so I wonder if maybe the Scythe has a role in what's going on...? I don't have my #30 on me, so does anyone know if Buffy had the Scythe on her during the battle? Em: I knew what you were referring to, I was just being silly. (And also just now remembering that Amber Benson sang a version of "Touch Me" a little while ago. So there - RELEVANCE TO THE BUFFYVERSE!! ...I need more sleep.)
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Post by Emmie on Dec 22, 2009 0:06:57 GMT -5
Heh! I was quoting for the thread, buddy. Quote-y goodness - there can never be enough. I just thought it was funny how she was unaware of that situation just like how her words are double entendre-y here about Willow and herself. Oh, Buffy. Silly.
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Post by Hellbound Hyperion on Dec 22, 2009 0:08:43 GMT -5
And oh, Joss. Will you never stop writing double entendres? Please? "Sometimes I think about two women doing a spell... and then I do a spell all by myself."
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Post by wenxina on Dec 22, 2009 0:44:45 GMT -5
I particularly want to know why Scott didn't answer us a few Q&As ago when we asked about Faith and the Scythe. The classic "no spoilers" came back at us for both, so I wonder if maybe the Scythe has a role in what's going on...? I don't have my #30 on me, so does anyone know if Buffy had the Scythe on her during the battle? She was holding her Scythe when Satsu shoved her out of the way. Where the Scythe ended up after Palden Lhamo dropped her remains to be seen. I think the Scythe will factor in somehow... it was the link between Buffy and Fray, and for the mystical weapon of the Slayer to be used as merely a plot device to get Buffy to Manhattan so that she could be zapped to the future seems rather trite storytelling. But I guess we'll see. But I'm betting that the "Scythe matters".
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Post by Wyndam on Dec 22, 2009 0:56:05 GMT -5
I wonder... since Buffy has lost her Slayer abilities and has gained these new ones, can she still be classified as a Slayer anymore? If not, then what claim can she make for the Slayer Scythe? She found the Scythe (finders keepers...) and has been the one to primarily wield it, but from now on... should she? Will she even need a physical weapon with her new abilities? For all we know she could be strong enough to just rip off heads as opposed to slicing them off, or just carry a demon a mile into the air and let go, etc.
So should the Scythe go to Faith then? I'm assuming, of course, that all of the other Slayers will get their powers back. While Buffy will still be in charge, Faith would be the new "Slayer in Charge" in a sense.
Something fun to think about, although I am definitely not against Buffy flying around with that Scythe causing demon-slaying mayhem.
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Post by Hellbound Hyperion on Dec 22, 2009 1:12:10 GMT -5
Well, maybe... but wouldn't that sort of be re-treading the Caleb arc of Buffy S7? I just don't see how it would work out story-wise, unless Joss has something planned for Faith as well that we just haven't caught onto yet. I also think a major Faith development would be a tough sell, since she virtually disappeared after No Future For You until her one-shot appearance in Predators & Prey arc. (Unless there was something else super-important about Faith's arc that we just don't know is important yet. Once again, I don't have my books on me - they're at school! - so my analysis skills are a bit limited at the moment.)
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Post by wenxina on Dec 22, 2009 1:13:42 GMT -5
I don't know if Buffy's Slayer abilities have been replaced by these new powers. The new powers could just be additions to her already extensive repertoire. Super Slayer just sounds really similar to Super Saiyan, and now I'll just wait for Andrew to make that Dragonball reference.
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Post by CowboyGuy on Dec 22, 2009 1:42:40 GMT -5
Faith might get killed off, methinks.
She had some shine in NFFY, some stuff was set up between she and Buffy, but as of Retreat they seem to have found some common ground. I think Faith will either play some role we have yet to even fathom, she'll be killed off heroically and we'll get that Buffy/Faith payoff moment of understanding, or she'll be sidelined like she already kind of has, and will be in Season 9.
Of the three options I prefer the third. I'd rather focus on the core characters, the whole Twilight reveal and agenda, and the inevitable twist. I don't want Faith to be killed off and I hope that doesn't happen. Wouldn't it be interesting if the girls aren't re-powered, but must instead make a real choice to be a Slayer again? I wonder if Faith would choose to be a normal woman.
ETA on Willow: It does feel jarring. If Buffy is in hiding, how is Willow not captured? Did Buffy land at the same monastery? It looks quite deserted. Oz has battle wounds so it can't be a flashback. GAH! Just so many questions! Is everyone rescued? If not, how can Super-Buffy leave them as Twilight's captives? Maybe that's part of the plan now?
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Dec 22, 2009 9:18:40 GMT -5
I assume Buffy's rescue of her friends will be covered in a flashback at some point during the issue, although that seems like an odd choice to me... almost like the outcome of that epic battle, where dozens of young girls lost their lives, can just be glossed over like it didn't happen. I think Buffy has her Slayer powers now... and possibly the powers of all the other Slayers and Wiccans. She got them back due to her physical contact with Remati during the battle. Whether she'll be able to redistribute those powers back to their rightful owners or not is an open question. Unless the goddess carried Buffy some distance, the Scythe should have been right near where she woke up... possibly buried in snow. (I can't remember... in the Apocalypse flashback in "Fray", does she have the Scythe?) Sigh... I already have 5 questions for Scott, and I haven't even seen the new issue yet. ETA on Willow: It does feel jarring. If Buffy is in hiding, how is Willow not captured? Did Buffy land at the same monastery? It looks quite deserted. Oz has battle wounds so it can't be a flashback. GAH! Just so many questions! Is everyone rescued? If not, how can Super-Buffy leave them as Twilight's captives? Maybe that's part of the plan now? I don't think Buffy is hiding, at least not from her friends. I think she just said she's hiding the fact that she can fly. All of Buffy's friends seem to have already been rescued, since Willow tells Oz that " We'll leave." And because Willow was clearly one of the captives. It's also mentioned that Buffy's people still have some of Twilight's wounded in their care... so Twilight was in a position to take prisoners, but not to retrieve his own wounded? Yeah, I don't think any of this can be made to make sense until we've got the whole issue in our hands (at least).
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Post by wenxina on Dec 22, 2009 10:03:48 GMT -5
I assume Buffy's rescue of her friends will be covered in a flashback at some point during the issue, although that seems like an odd choice to me... almost like the outcome of that epic battle, where dozens of young girls lost their lives, can just be glossed over like it didn't happen. Well, if the issue really does get into Buffy's head, flashbacks may be appropriate, since we'll then be dealing with what all those deaths meant to her. I think Buffy has her Slayer powers now... and possibly the powers of all the other Slayers and Wiccans. She got them back due to her physical contact with Remati during the battle. Whether she'll be able to redistribute those powers back to their rightful owners or not is an open question. Well, Willow seems to have gotten her own mojo back it seems. But I don't know if Buffy's physical contact with Remati/Palden Lhamo actually gave her power back. Circumstantial evidence would indicate so, but goddesses were picking up girls and tossing them everywhere... none of those girls got their power back. Buffy's special, so perhaps... But seeing as how Willow got her magic back, I'm just saying that the physical contact could be a red herring. Unless the goddess carried Buffy some distance, the Scythe should have been right near where she woke up... possibly buried in snow. (I can't remember... in the Apocalypse flashback in "Fray", does she have the Scythe?) Unless the Scythe was taken away as spoils of war. If Twilight's people really wanted to take down the Slayers, capturing the symbol and source of their power would be appropriate. At least that's the way it always is in movies dealing with mystical artifacts. In the Apocalypse flashback, assuming that it's Buffy, the girl is holding what looks to be a generic axe. Considering Moline designed the Scythe, if that was what she was holding, it would've been more similar looking.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Dec 22, 2009 10:24:36 GMT -5
Well, Willow seems to have gotten her own mojo back it seems. But I don't know if Buffy's physical contact with Remati/Palden Lhamo actually gave her power back. Circumstantial evidence would indicate so, but goddesses were picking up girls and tossing them everywhere... none of those girls got their power back. Buffy's special, so perhaps... But seeing as how Willow got her magic back, I'm just saying that the physical contact could be a red herring. When I asked Scott if the contact with the goddess was what gave Buffy her powers, he said something like "that's a good guess, but they won't figure it out for a while yet." Assuming Willow got her powers back (and I don't know if this light show indicates that) it's more likely unconnected with the goddesses, but with the magical backlash of her future death finally coming down the timeline and hitting her, with unknown consequences. It's also a possibility that Buffy's arrival on the scene just then had something to do with it. Unless the Scythe was taken away as spoils of war. If Twilight's people really wanted to take down the Slayers, capturing the symbol and source of their power would be appropriate. At least that's the way it always is in movies dealing with mystical artifacts. But since Buffy should have been right near the Scythe, it seems odd Twilight's people would take it and not find Buffy herself lying there, and take her as well. In the Apocalypse flashback, assuming that it's Buffy, the girl is holding what looks to be a generic axe. Considering Moline designed the Scythe, if that was what she was holding, it would've been more similar looking. I think Karl Moline based the Scythe on the prop Joss had... IIRC, he had the Scythe and thought it would be cool to integrate it into the story. I'm 100% certain that's Buffy in that "Fray" scene. Bear in mind that if Twilight has the Scythe, the Slayers are finished (or their powers are, at least). He'll just reverse the spell at his leisure (like the Tokyo vamps were going to do), and that's the end of that.
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Post by wenxina on Dec 22, 2009 10:45:27 GMT -5
Assuming Willow got her powers back (and I don't know if this light show indicates that) it's more likely unconnected with the goddesses, but with the magical backlash of her future death finally coming down the timeline and hitting her, with unknown consequences. It's also a possibility that Buffy's arrival on the scene just then had something to do with it. That was my guess, from a few posts back. About Willow getting her powers back. But by the same method, Buffy's power could've been returned, not by contact with Remati, but by FDW's death rippling backwards in time. Hence the red herring bit about contact with Remati. Could be, could be something else. But since Buffy should have been right near the Scythe, it seems odd Twilight's people would take it and not find Buffy herself lying there, and take her as well. Unless Buffy, or the Scythe was moved after the fact. Just saying, if she doesn't have it, it could either be lost, or with Twilight. I think Karl Moline based the Scythe on the prop Joss had... IIRC, he had the Scythe and thought it would be cool to integrate it into the story. I'm 100% certain that's Buffy in that "Fray" scene. Bear in mind that if Twilight has the Scythe, the Slayers are finished (or their powers are, at least). He'll just reverse the spell at his leisure (like the Tokyo vamps were going to do), and that's the end of that. Regardless of whether or not the Scythe was an original Moline design, the fact remains that the axe in the hand of the girl/Slayer did not look at all like the Scythe. At least not in my copy of the TPB. As for Twilight reversing the spell... well, time is of the essence. In order to go global, he's need a giant gemstone thingamabob, and a witch powerful enough to do the spell. Amy may do... I'm still not convinced that she's anywhere in Willow's league. So until he gets all his ducks lined up for a mass depowerment of the world Slayer population, there's still time to take it back. Just like they did in "WatG".
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