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Post by AndrewCrossett on Jun 8, 2009 22:11:03 GMT -5
If this happened in the real world, here's how it would go down:
Harmony would get her show, outing the existence of vampires, and it would be a huge hit.
Every other media company in the world would run out into the alleys and graveyards in search of their own vampires. Many of them would be killed and drained, some of them probably on film or live TV.
Even if that didn't stop the trend... the police would certainly know the truth, based on the work of the non-nice vampires that they'd be encountering, and the lengthy backlog of mysterious deaths that would suddenly start making a whole lot of sense. Harmony's show would likely not impress them.
The Department of Homeland Security would probably be very interested to know that there are thousands of bloodsucking vampires living among us, and I imagine they'd mount a pretty exhaustive investigation. Harmony's show wouldn't make much of a dent on them, either.
And there would always be the contrarians... the ones who get labelled "conspiracy theorists" whether they're right or wrong... who would make their own studies and investigations, communicate through blogs and forums and information sites.
So, this premise wouldn't fly in the real world. But this is a fantasy story, and they've probably done enough to make it just barely plausible within the fantasy world, given a little willing suspension of disbelief.
If I were writing the story, I wouldn't be satisfied with the plausibility of it as it currently stands and would feel the need to explain it more. But that's me.
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Post by BlueJay on Jun 8, 2009 22:26:03 GMT -5
I didn't say that what happens in Season Eight would actually go down in our world. My entire post was explaining why a lot of average citizens probably give vampires the benefit of the doubt. And that, I do believe would happen here.
However, I am completely invested in the belief that mankind fears what we do not understand ...Therefore our government would simply nuke 'em(!)
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Post by Nicholas on Jun 9, 2009 22:54:33 GMT -5
It could very well happen in our world!
Look at out world now: MILLIONS of people are going ga-ga over Edward Cullen! Humans have good people and bad people, so why would people think any different when it came to vampires? Sure they could look back and see all the mysterious deaths that would clearly be linked to vampires, but wouldnt those fall under the same category of bad people?
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Jun 9, 2009 23:31:49 GMT -5
If a large segment of the vampire population really has committed itself to not killing anymore, and to giving eager humans what they want... then isn't it true that vampires really are no different from humans? There are "good" humans who behave themselves for a variety of reasons, and "bad" humans who don't.
Some would argue that good is as good does, and evil is as evil does.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Jun 10, 2009 9:29:12 GMT -5
Here's a good review of the one-shot at Comic Book Resources.The reviewer makes an interesting point about the "nothing being open past 9 pm" thing... on the surface it looks like that's just because it's such a hick town that there's no nightlife... but what if things close down at 9 because that's when the vampires take over the streets? Maybe the living people are still experiencing an almost subconscious aversion to the vamps and still know deep inside that after dark is not a good time to be out on the streets.
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Post by wenxina on Jun 10, 2009 9:36:36 GMT -5
Interesting... kinda like Sunnydale in "The Wish". Curfews... maybe they aren't such a bad thing.
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Post by Nicholas on Jun 10, 2009 13:57:35 GMT -5
But for the most part, I dont really think vampires are dumb. They know that this is their chance to be able to get what they want for free. And why kill someone and risk being caught when you can go back to the same person, time and time again for free?
I still think that Twilight has something to do with it. At least a spell or something.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Jun 10, 2009 14:04:58 GMT -5
But for the most part, I dont really think vampires are dumb. They know that this is their chance to be able to get what they want for free. And why kill someone and risk being caught when you can go back to the same person, time and time again for free? I still think that Twilight has something to do with it. At least a spell or something. Vampires vary as much in personality as humans, though, except that they're all pretty much evil. There is probably as high a percentage of dumb vampires as dumb humans, and not all of them... even the smart ones... are going to be interested in playing this little game with humans. A lot of vampires consider the hunt to be an important part of their enjoyment, and a lot of them get off on victimizing helpless, frightened people. A hunter's fun is spoiled if his quarry comes to him and asks to be shot, and a rapist's fun is spoiled if his victim is willing.
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Post by vampireinrug on Jun 10, 2009 15:42:59 GMT -5
No way would that happen in the real world. It's a stretch that it's happening in the Buffyverse, there's absolutly no way the real world would be fooled just because of Harmony's TV show and the "ga-ga" over Edward Cullen.
As others have said, suddenly all those neck-trauma deaths over the years will start making sense. Even if your initial reaction is to give the vamps the benefit of the doubt... to suggest that there are bad vampires just like there are bad humans... the difference is that the "criminal" vampires would be massively overrepresented, and the slightest bit of research would uncover that.
Then you've got the fact that vampires can't touch a cross or bible. That alone is enough to put the church against them, and if the church forms an opinion on something you can bet there'll be thousands ready to agree.
Then you've got the fact that apparantly the Buffyverse government already knows about, and doesn't like vampires ever since WWII.
Look at how human being put up barriers so that we can judge each other. Race, religeon, sexuality... anything can be used as a means of seperating "them" and "us". Think how much people would freak out if an entire seperate species had been living among us in secret for thousands of years.
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Post by Hallow Thorn on Jun 27, 2009 4:00:46 GMT -5
I don’t usually get the single issue but I really wanted this one... it was excellent, I enjoyed this issue out of most of the of Season 8.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jul 3, 2009 0:21:22 GMT -5
This was a interesting insight to a vampires mind. In one panel May has sex with Jacob, not asking permission before getting started, in the next Jacob thinks about killing his mom and finally he says that drunk drivers kill people, not vamps. Not sure if Jacob's morals went to hell before or after he died, but it seems to be a common theme with vampires. They embrace the evil so quickly, sometimes even forgetting what humans call right and wrong. They think evil if their birthright and that they're "people" too. Like with Harmony; Still wanting to be friends with Cordy, even tough she tried to kill her.
The last page was beautiful, both artwise and character-wise. I read the last lines as Jacob, as he said, daring to want more, to finally get Alex, to dear to feel.
Vampires aren't just monsters. They're part human too, and a few of them might even be decent people(if they have access to willing-to-be-feed-on people).
That's one of the things I love about Buffy. It's not always white and black.
That said, I think Jacob needs to be slayed.
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Post by cutiepatootie on Jul 8, 2009 17:05:14 GMT -5
I really liked how Jacob considered killing his mom so casually, it brought the reader's attention back to fact that Jacob is now only a demon inside a human shell.
And I would still stake a vampire even if they chose not to kill - see above sentance. Also, Jacob proved that they will still kill when they're angry, which is something that cannot be allowed to walk amongst mortals.
Finally, I can totally imagine the vampire craze going through my school, so it's not so hard to beleive it could happen in the Buffyverse too.
Do you think that at the end of Season 8 the public will be back to vampires = bad?
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Jul 8, 2009 19:55:48 GMT -5
Do you think that at the end of Season 8 the public will be back to vampires = bad? That's an interesting question. There's a distinct possibility vampires won't exist in this world anymore at the end of the season. But if they do... I think the public's love affair with them will be over, but the time they spent in the open means they'll never be seen as Halloween monsters again. It may be that many of the vampires like the idea of having a symbiotic relationship with humans rather than a parasitic one. If nothing else, it's safer. We may explore the question of whether the lack of a soul necessarily makes one evil. After all, having a soul doesn't guarantee a person will be good. My theory is that soullessness doesn't equal evil... it just results in a default sociopathic state. Soulless creatures don't have any natural inclination to think that anything is more important than their own wants and needs. But like human sociopaths, that can be corrected. It's hard, but it can be done. Drusilla said that vampires can love... they just can't love well. It's an open question whether pre-souled Spike truly loved Buffy... but there's no question that he wanted to love her... and that in itself may constitute a confused form of love. We won't be going back to the old status quo, that's for sure.
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Post by rmw on Jan 11, 2010 20:54:50 GMT -5
Just a random thing here, but I really liked the cover of this issue, especially the use of the pomegranate in the background. Those things bleed all over the place when you cut them open. Last time I had one, I was like..."Cool! It looks like that one comic cover!"
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