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Post by rufio on Jan 3, 2011 16:05:20 GMT -5
What character do you think had the most untapped potential and why? What do you imagine they could've done with the character that they didn't?
Pesonally, I think all the listed characters could've gone some really interesting places had the writers really tackled their stories and if time allowed.
Halfrek in my opinion is the absolute greatest tragedy though. When she and Spike had the moment in 'older and far away'- I only wish (no pun intended) that that story was expanded. Olivia too should definitely have been given more story.
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Post by rufio on Dec 12, 2010 20:15:11 GMT -5
I'm watching 'Him' right now. Hugely underrated episode, especially in the largely lackluster Season 7- this episode is hysterical!!!
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Post by rufio on Dec 12, 2010 19:59:44 GMT -5
I want Spuffy. I love their relationship. Have them living quietly, in hiding almost, out in the country somewhere- maybe with Riley & Sam. There'd likely be tension between them, but Riley's married and they're older now, so it'd be nice to see them all act mature and not have those high school level issues. There could be some others like Leah or Rona living there with them.
I'd love to see Harmony come back into the picture between Buffy & Spike somehow. The comedy she brings to the table will be welcome, but she could also be a formidable foe b/c she knows both Buffy & Spike pretty well. Imagine Harmony gets ahold of Satsu- vamps her and uses her to infiltrate Buffy's inner circle. There'd have to be more to it, like what exactly would Harmony's goal be... how does Spike play in, if for any other reason than simply being Harmony's ex? It could be pretty big, character-wise, to have Buffy fight and have to stake Satsu.
I liked the idea the original poster had of making Xander more Bond-like, taking on random missions- with Buffy giving orders from her home/Headquarters. He could have Dawn and others by his side (maybe Faith and ROBIN- who needs to come back in a big way). Those four- Xander, Dawn, Faith & Robin would make a nice set. Have Xander & Robin bond over saving eachother's lives somehow (xander needs a good guy friend). Dawn & Faith could bond in ways they previously haven't been able to with Buffy & a million other slayers around and all the craziness of Season 8. They could be in N.Y.C. with Vi.
I like the idea of Buffy, Willow & Xander all being separate (with Xander & Buffy still in contact). This is reality: friends drift over time. Willow should be off dealing with her own dramas with Kennedy & Aluwyn- progressing her story towards her fate in the fray universe. Also, bring back D'Hoffryn!!
I'm not sure how Angel is going to work into Season 9. Obviously, he needs to interact with Buffy & Spike at some point- but I don't want to see him redeem himself. Some people are tragic and they need to end his characters story appropriately tragic. Sorry Bangel fans!- it's not 'buffy & angel 4ever!' - Spuffy is where it's at!
I lost track of whats going on in the Angel comics awhile ago but I know Drusilla made an appearance, and I do hope Season 9 ties in with all that's happened in the Angel comics. I'd like to see Drusilla interact with Spike at least once more. I also think it'd be interesting to have her come upon Andrew.
Instead of predictably having Andrew come out of the closet and find some nice hunk of a man to fight evil with, he meets Drusilla somehow. She would vamp him, the same way she vamped William (Spike) who was just as nerdy as Andrew. Then Andrew as a vampire would be totally sexual and wild- a metaphor for coming out and embracing your sexuality. I would love to see this happen.
Drusilla & Andrew could actually tie in with Harmony & Satsu trying to destroy Buffy's circle from within. Imagine Drusilla & Harmony actually working together to bring Buffy & Spike down?!
Now I know why people write fan-fiction.
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Post by rufio on Dec 5, 2010 12:54:37 GMT -5
I understand your point about Joss doing Season 8 and that is what you consider the 'real buffy', but this reboot is supposedly going back to the very beginning of buffy so it's not even comparable to season 8. Like I said earlier, Whit Anderson claims to be a buffy fan, so her script will most likely/hopefully take the original buffy storyline into consideration therefore making the reboot share more than just the name. I mean, I wish they would just make it simple and keep the same characters from the original- Pike, Benny, Merrick, Kimberly, Nicole etc.. they should definitely leave Lothos behind though. It needs a fresh new villain. I stick by my thoughts in my earlier posts about ideas of where they could take it through a trilogy. The world shown in 'Normal Again' would be a perfect opportunity to show a new, darker version of Buffy while still being connected to the original Buffy. I don't know though, even though I imagine that being amazing, in all likelihood it will not happen. I may be singing a totally different tune about this reboot when we actually discover what the plot will be.
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Post by rufio on Dec 4, 2010 15:38:14 GMT -5
"Xander left the group for months to live with Dracula in solitude. I think thats a pretty big reaction to Anya's death. the story has to progress, its completely boring if all the characters do is stand around and mope about all the people they're lost. Angel's whole arc in season 5 was built around the fact that he lost Cordelia (and then Fred) Just because they're not directly mentioned doenst mean the characters actions arent influenced by their loss."
perfectly said sire. still wish cordelia didn't die though.
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Post by rufio on Dec 4, 2010 13:08:57 GMT -5
I haven't even read the issue yet and I know that Giles dies! Oh well, I guess I've just always been one for spoilers. I LOVE Giles! How can you not? He's funny and a great character- totally the rock of the scoobies. Not to mention he was a hot badass when he was young. The scooby gang is all grown up now though, so it does seem like a natural point for his character to depart (gotta keep the drama going somehow). It should be interesting to see how the characters develop without his presence, because even though he wasn't physically there too much in Seasons 6 & 7, he was still just a call away.
Willow being without magic is brilliant. Bringing it back to season 1 Willow. Connecting to the fray storyline 200 yrs. in the future where willow says she's not human, I'm speculating that she could be a vengeance demon of sorts like Anya & Halfrek?? Would be a perfect time to bring back D'Hoffryn and mentions of Anya.
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Post by rufio on Dec 3, 2010 16:38:15 GMT -5
good points midwesternwatcher. The resurrection story line seemed totally on point. The timing was appropriate for character & story development. The later seasons naturally got darker. They couldn't forever stay in the high school setting - they had to enter real life, and real life can be super dark. I think the direction the story has gone (even in season 8) is very realistic- for a fantasy show based in reality.
I think the resurrection story line was extremely interesting and well executed. It was clearly only Willow who was hell bent on bringing Buffy back. Evey one else was just roped in in the end. This speaks volumes about Willows character and her relationship with Buffy.
Although I love and appreciate the lighter side of Buffy, I respect and am more interested and the darker elements. It is more true to life thanks to the writers stepping away from what made the original film flop- it was too light, cheesy etc.. This is why I think the idea of the animated Buffy series would be so amazing. Being aimed more for children- it would capitalize on the lighter side of Buffy. Plus, we would get more stories to enhance the earlier seasons of Buffy and would have stories that wouldn't work on the live action t.v. show.
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Post by rufio on Dec 2, 2010 20:36:40 GMT -5
don't you think we should reserve judgement until we find out what exactly they are doing with the story? at least wait until we know what the plot is going to be before you jump on either side of the fence. Whit Anderson might have come up with a really great idea/angle for the new Buffy. Hopefully the Kuzuis learned from their mistake in the past with the original. Maybe Joss will throw his 2 cents in eventually and affect the final product. Sure my optimism might make me more disappointed in the end, but I can't help but be happy. To anyone who believes that fans who support the reboot are immature or traitors or whatever: just b/c I'm not stuck up Joss's ass doesn't mean I'm not a true rabid buffy fan. I started watching when I was 13 at the start of season 4 and watched continuously until the series finale. I started reading Season 8 right from the beginning as well. The concept of Buffy the Vampire Slayer transcends Joss's involvement, even if he is the creator. Sorry, but the more Buffy the better! I just really hope the reboot is spot on.
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Post by rufio on Nov 29, 2010 2:35:56 GMT -5
Anya definitely takes the cake as the best comedic character.
Possibly my favorite funny line is from Anya in her exchange with Dawn in 'once more, with feeling'
Dawn: Oh my god you will never believe what happened in school today! Buffy: Everybody started singing and dancing? Dawn: I gave birth to a pterodactyl. Anya: Oh my god, did it sing?!
The way Emma Caulfield delivered that line, and Anya being dead serious about it make it so funny!!
Harmony also makes me laugh out loud a lot.
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Post by rufio on Nov 29, 2010 2:27:43 GMT -5
A few friends at school were talking about it (during season 3). I didn't tune in until the start of season 4, just to see what the hype was about. I had no idea I'd be sucked in so hard and obsessed with it still 10 years later.
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Post by rufio on Nov 29, 2010 2:20:02 GMT -5
The original movie is not so bad. It has it's strengths- mainly the comedy. Kristy Swanson made a perfect Buffy (even if she was maybe a bit too butch at times). She delivered a lot of Buffy's lines pitch perfect. Every scene with Buffy, and her girlfriends is funny. The script is just as funny and witty as the show. Some great black comedy moments. It may not be 'citizen kane', but it isn't completely lacking in entertainment value. The worst parts of it are how the dramatic, horror aspects were not as serious & scary as they needed to be. The action/fighting sequences are mostly lame and it's embarrassingly dated at times. But this is all what makes it a cult classic today!
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Post by rufio on Nov 27, 2010 23:28:17 GMT -5
I'm very positive about the reboot, although I'm also nervous. I understand people freaking over Joss not being involved b/c that makes the chances of it sucking way higher.
This scriptwriter, if she is as big a buffy fan as she claims to be, better not piss all over the mythology of the original movie and the show.
When I first heard they were rebooting it, i figured they were sticking to the original movies story line, but just updating it-which was a cool idea in my opinion. Then I heard they were planning to make a trilogy of movies & that made me even more excited! The first movie would be just a reinterpretation of the original movie. The second and third movies could show what happened in between the original movie and the show. Then, the new movie would compliment the original movie & show.
Now I hear that it's going to be totally different than the 92 movie and the show? Now I'm nervous. What in the world could this writer Whit Anderson have thought up?? The only alternative story line I can imagine is if they explore the world shown in the season 6 episode 'Normal Again' where Buffy was in a mental institution. That has potential to be amazingly dark, violent, raw and intense. It would be a whole different dimension with lots of new character & story possibilities, but it'd still be buffy and actually compliment the show.
However dark it is & different it is from the original movie, they better not lose the valley girl motif in the beginning or it truly will just NOT be Buffy for me.
As for who will play Buffy, I'm not even a Harry Potter fan, but I feel like Emma Watson would make a great Buffy. She's the right age, has the right look & character quality- that balance of innocence/strength that Buffy needs. She would surely bring the same element of class to Buffy's character that SMG did. If they do go ahead and make it a trilogy, I kind of doubt Emma is going to be eager to get into that after making 8 Harry potter movies, but I'd still like to see her as Buffy & feel like she has the acting chops. It'd also be interesting to see her shed her british accent to sound like a valley girl. Amanda Seyfried may work as well, but she has enough going for her. I think I'd rather see an unknown actress inherit the role of Buffy. & Kristen Bell? No no no. EMMA all the way!!!
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Post by rufio on Sept 1, 2010 17:17:54 GMT -5
I should just reserve judgement until I have the concluding issues in hand, but the master? really? Like we needed ANOTHER character thrown in Season 8- & so damn close to the end!? I assume Joss & co. have had this planned, but @ this point, i'm disliking s8 more than i ever have . I mean, there is too many damn characters that really don't seem to serve much purpose and an all around cheesiness- I dealt w/the forest creatures but wtf is with the bug crew? I've been w/it since the beginning, so of course i'll get the rest of season 8, but I'm really hoping joss pulls it together and makes it all worthwhile in the end.
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Post by rufio on Aug 14, 2010 23:48:45 GMT -5
o yeah, i knew i was forgetting at least one. 'birthday' should be an option instead of 'billy'. 'expecting' is also a really funny one. it's definitely a good story/metaphor for casual sex.
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Post by rufio on Aug 14, 2010 21:27:14 GMT -5
Yeah Lilah was amazing. It sucked that she got killed off, but I think it was a nice move on the writers part to cut her out right before the gang moved into Wolfram & Hart. It makes the first four seasons of Lilah working there seem more mysterious & intriguing. Although, she may have added a nice element to Season 5 while the gang was at W&H. I thought Eve as Lilahs replacement was seriously lame. Eve was not a very intriguing character in my opinion.
Season four is the most amazing season in my opinion. Aside from Cordelias shenanigans this season, it is the strongest in terms of story intensity. I think the Beast & Jasmine are excellent villains, even though the story became convoluted. Cordelia is really one of the best characters in the verse and they could've done SO much with her- in the end, it is a really disappointing end for a beloved character. I mean, couldn't they have hid CC's real life pregnancy and worked the story a little differently, without destroying Cordelias character in that way??
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Post by rufio on Aug 14, 2010 21:18:55 GMT -5
My favorite is Rm w/a Vu. It is the funniest and has the best story! Love phantom dennis!
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Post by rufio on Jul 11, 2010 1:41:22 GMT -5
no PJ, I love 'restless' as well. I think it's one of the only episodes that is virtually flawless. As for epic, it doesn't quite match up to 'the gift'... all the finales had their epic moments- 'grave' and 'chosen' i guess really are more epic overall than 'becoming', 'graduation day' and 'prophecy girl' b/c of the pacing and the action, but i think they have a certain cheapness to them that came w/a lot of the episodes in season 6 and 7. The show seasons 1 - 5 has a certain aura to it that I think left when they went to UPN somehow. 'The gift' was perfect- quiet in certain spots, action-packed in others and perfectly written/paced the entire episode. 'Chosen' could've lived up to it if it didn't feel rushed! There were so many SLOW points in mid-season 7 and then the end feels rushed!? That was poor planning on the writers part I think. I guess 'Chosen' really is if not #1, the #2 most epic. I just think 'the gift' is a better episode overall.
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Post by rufio on Jul 5, 2010 23:15:18 GMT -5
We can't forget about Willow Vs. Glory in 'Tough Love' -- Buffy jumped into that one as well, so it became even better!
And every fight w/Faith is awesome b/c faith is so. I especially love when faith confronts buffy & willow in 'this years girl'- the actual physical fight wasn't that amazing, but the tension and exchange of words made it brilliant.
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Post by rufio on Jun 15, 2010 1:32:57 GMT -5
Of course it doesn't matter. I identify with buffy in her societal role; male or female- she was an outcast and felt unable to change herself or her circumstance. & i love her because she's so spunky & good hearted deep down & can kick ASS
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Post by rufio on Jun 15, 2010 1:27:52 GMT -5
it would have to be cordelia. no other character was utterly destroyed like hers was. if cordy didn't end up dead after the whole jasmine-possession ordeal, I think I could deal better. I actually LIKE the jasmine storyline- and it was cool to see evil cordy and have her be possessed, but why'd she have to die in the end?!? She totally should've been there with the gang when they moved into Wolfram & Hart- she could've been in the public relations department! *Sigh*-- but there's no re-writing it at this point :/
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