neowhobaz
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Post by neowhobaz on Jan 11, 2010 22:56:49 GMT -5
With the Confirmation of Twilight's identity as Angel by Joss Whedon and Scott allie, and the further confirmation that both the IDW continuity and Dark horse continuity won't mesh in terms of Angel's story I'm curious about what people think will be a part of what leads to Angel's future as twilight from his current stories. I do know that Darkhorse and IDw aren't working together in terms of stories but I get the sense that since IDW knows what will eventually happen to Angel that the writers will be slightly influenced by what directions Angel goes. What does anyone else think about what will happen in Willingham's or the next writers arc to make Angel possibly become twilight? Please keep all posts in this thread in spoiler tags. Even though the title warns against spoilers, some may enter not expecting spoilers for a certain other thing, instead of just Angel spoilers. ANYONE THAT DOESN'T WANT TO BE SPOILED ABOUT ANYTHING, AND I MEAN ANYTHING BUFFYVERSE RELATED SHOULD JUST LEAVE THIS THREAD NOW!
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Post by xmadxscientistx on Jan 12, 2010 0:38:00 GMT -5
Again, please keep all posts in this thread in spoiler tags.
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Post by Hellbound Hyperion on Jan 12, 2010 0:42:07 GMT -5
I guess we need to wait on Joss, then. I'd like to hear what he has to say.
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Post by Wyndam on Jan 12, 2010 0:49:39 GMT -5
I'm certainly interested in whatever Joss plans to say, whether it is about IDW or this entire debacle with the released covers. I don't really get Willingham's second paragraph, as it contradicts what Scott was even saying, so I wish Willingham would have stayed quiet as this entire situation needs to be smoothed over between DH and IDW (namely, Ryall) before the writers get involved. I almost wonder if he's reacting to some other comment that was published or some other information, as his second paragraph just doesn't sync. Either way, this can snowball quickly, which I would absolutely hate as I'd prefer some unity, so we'll see.
Even though both sides have made mistakes, I care about both titles immensely and am excited about my future reading them both.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jan 12, 2010 1:14:30 GMT -5
It looks like some spoiler tags aren't working, even tough they look properly spoiler tagged with
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Post by Hallow Thorn on Jan 12, 2010 1:20:01 GMT -5
I can’t really see how the IDW Angel stories can make this work, Angel is kind of a villain now, he might die, and when DH tell his back story it will only mess up the IDW timeline (well, not if it’s future Angel) If he lives then IDW can tell his redemption storyline. But 'After the fall' was written with Angel as twilight in mind, so that could mean something.
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Post by CowboyGuy on Jan 12, 2010 1:21:41 GMT -5
Do we have confirmation that Brian Lynch knew Angel was going to be Twilight the whole time? If so, that would be insane!
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Post by patxshand on Jan 12, 2010 1:26:12 GMT -5
I hope Willingham comes around. But even if he doesn't, whoever takes over when he wraps up will probably be excited to build up to whatever Joss set up. As a writer, I can see absolutely endless story potential. I wrote a pretty extensive article on what Angel being Twilight might mean for the characters, for us, and for IDW. If anyone is interested in something far too long and picturey to post here, check it out. www.stinkyburgerproductions.com/uncategorized/geeky-reflection-on-the-new-buffy-villain/
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Post by Hallow Thorn on Jan 12, 2010 2:02:13 GMT -5
Do we have confirmation that Brian Lynch knew Angel was going to be Twilight the whole time? If so, that would be insane! I don't think he did, I hope he did tho, but it would be cool to know for sure.
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Post by neowhobaz on Jan 12, 2010 10:37:44 GMT -5
I agree with Pat, I feel like there are so many different possibilities that couldlead up to Twilight from the IDW end of the timeline. Heck if WIllingham hadn't outright said he doesn't coordinate with DH I'd have thought that the whole Angel being kidnapped thing would be the first leg of this with him being brainwashed or cloned or something while he's away. Though now that the cat's out of the bag theres nothing to say it couldn't be shoehorned in down the line.
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Post by Billie Erin on Jan 12, 2010 17:06:17 GMT -5
Slightly off topic but when I first clicked onto this discussion I saw all the text with just "spoiler" written next to it then it loaded the spoiler tags, but I think that's my computer not the thread . . . I guess Joss may just have to say that Buffy was waaaay ahead of Angel (like 2 years or something) in order to give IDW time to play out their storylines. Obviously if it were a future/ alternate dimension Angel who is Twilight then that would solve everything. Joss has said he doesn't want a head-on battle with IDW so I think it'll all be ok. The Angel comics are incredibly popular- they usually sell out faster than the Buffys at my comic shop- it won't be ended or compromised I'm sure
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Post by neowhobaz on Jan 12, 2010 17:21:46 GMT -5
well at earliest the beggining of season eight takes place four to six months after Aftermath/Boys and their toys (In TLWH they said it was a year and half from chosen and chosen took place 19 days before Angel season 5) so theres definetly wiggle room.
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Post by milsonj0 on Jan 12, 2010 18:38:48 GMT -5
I posted this on another forum but was just wondering what you guys thought of it. Not sure if anybody else has mentioned this but... I remembered reading this a LONG time ago. forum.slayalive.com/index.cgi...5&page=1#63799It's a Q and A with Scott Allie, question 6 is about the use of Angel and Spike in Buffy: Season 8. It's seems that a deal of some sort was made allowing Dark Horse to use the Angel characters so Joss could tell his story and in return Joss would be involved with an Angel project - After The Fall. I've always been suspicous of how much Joss was involved with After the Fall and I myself do not consider AtF or the ongoing in anyway canon. On a side not I class AtF in the same arena as the Buffy Origin comic or even the original film. Close, but not the real thing. Here is a link to an interview with Whedon, with a brief discussion on his role in AtF. www.tvguide.com/news/must-be-talking-9439.aspx Just some food for thought.
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Post by Wyndam on Jan 12, 2010 18:44:05 GMT -5
Everyone, if you don't remember to use spoiler tags then I will have to delete this thread. I don't want to keep coming in and adding spoiler tags to every post.
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Post by Randi Giles on Jan 12, 2010 19:02:10 GMT -5
Honestly it's probbaly better if Everything regarding Angel's future in regards to recent events be discuss in thoughs thread. Just cause as of now it really doesn't have anything to do with IDW. Just my two cents Plus it be easier on the mods.
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Post by neowhobaz on Jan 12, 2010 19:24:54 GMT -5
The reason I started the thread was for talk of speculation and idea bouncing in terms of gap betwen IDW an DH so the point is to talk about that and any variations or ideas that have to with that. As far as Talk of the actual reveal was and should be left for the season 8 threads. Those who are here are/should be well aware of the reveal already. Sorry for any confusion.
I do think that even though Joss doesn't have any official involvment with the good people at IDW that he cares enough to understand the ongoing series of Angel is more than just a one off mini series like The Curse or Old friends which is why during the MTV interview on monday, Scott Allie went out of his way to say the two stories would "Jibe" . My guess is DH will leave the gap ambiguous while someone at IDW, when season eight is done or close to done, will manage to find away to bridge the gap.
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Post by balesthebloody on Jan 12, 2010 19:48:16 GMT -5
Maybe this is what Joss and co. will be up to while they take a break preparing for Season 9. Maybe they will set down a set of rules for future writers at IDW. Like "Here is Point A and Point B,how you get there is up to you as a writer. Just follow these guidelines and everything will work out."
I would like see Brian do an arc or two getting Angel to becoming Twilight.
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Post by Marcos on Jan 12, 2010 21:09:06 GMT -5
(SPOILERS ON THE LINK) www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=24393In case not everyone read this, here's a link for an interview CBR did with Joss. He clearly says that the IDW Angel comic is not canon, he has no involvement with it at all since After the Fall. And even AtF cannot be called season 6, 'cause he gave Bryan and IDW the general plot of the season but that was it. He didn't have the final word on the decisions, and had no input on the scripts. So his role was more like a staff writer than of a creator or producer. If this is enough to consider AtF canon, well, that's a personal choice of each reader. From what I understood from this interview, the series after-'AtF' is not canon at all, and have no obligation to follow Buffy s8's storylines. If readers want both continuity to match, so they can make sense, well, from Bill's and Joss' comments, I think it's time to deal with the fact that Buffy season 8 and IDW's Angel series does not belong to the same "verse" since After the Fall's end. IMO, it seems that Joss doesn't really care if Angel's series don't match with Buffy's. For me, personally, every non-canon stuff is treated not differently as I treat fanfiction. Stories of "what ifs", probabilities, not reality (you know what I mean). Some of them are really amazing (everything Bryan pens), but I can't help but choose as the "one true universe" the one in which Joss rules.
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Post by jellymoff on Jan 12, 2010 22:09:50 GMT -5
Peeps- After the Fall is 100% Canon, no matter what your opinion is on the matter. It is not a personal choice of the reader, and the CBR article says nothing to "uncannonize" After the Fall. It is canon, end of story. After #17 and Spike ATF is debateable, but there's not debate about Angel:After the Fall.
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Post by Hallow Thorn on Jan 12, 2010 22:40:59 GMT -5
That was a good read, thanks.
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