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Post by hitnrun017 on Jan 28, 2010 13:46:33 GMT -5
So no, I'm still not sympathetic to her pathetic self. Seriously? Amy was in the same predicament Willow was in in Season 6, and she didn't have anybody to help her with it. No Buffy, no Giles... just herself. Willow could've helped her, but nope, she slams the door in her face, literally. I agreed with Amy in The Killer in Me, I understood her anger. "She almost destroyed the world, and yet everyone keeps on loving her?" Add to the points Andrew brought up... Redemption might be a tired trick, but Amy deserves it. Probably the most unfairly treated character. I dig her.
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Post by Whedon Fan on Jan 28, 2010 13:47:47 GMT -5
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Jan 28, 2010 14:16:44 GMT -5
Whatever Joss wants to do with her, I'm down with. If she stays heel and gets a beatdown, or turns face and joins Team Good... she'd hardly be the first one to do it, and unlike certain others who shall remain nameless in this thread, she hasn't done anything so terrible as to put her firmly beyond redemption.
The redemption story may be a bit overdone, but it would be nice if somebody succeeded at it this season.
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Post by wenxina on Jan 28, 2010 16:26:24 GMT -5
So no, I'm still not sympathetic to her pathetic self. Seriously? Amy was in the same predicament Willow was in in Season 6, and she didn't have anybody to help her with it. No Buffy, no Giles... just herself. Willow could've helped her, but nope, she slams the door in her face, literally. I agreed with Amy in The Killer in Me, I understood her anger. "She almost destroyed the world, and yet everyone keeps on loving her?" Add to the points Andrew brought up... Redemption might be a tired trick, but Amy deserves it. Probably the most unfairly treated character. I dig her. No, Amy wasn't in the same predicament as Willow in S6. Willow wanted to quit. She resolved to quit. Amy didn't want to. And instead of respecting Willow's wishes, as henz said, she tried to bring her down again. Amy could have had friends. She did early on. But then she went rat. And even before that, she was already dabbling with shady stuff. If she had resolved to quit with Willow, I doubt the Scoobies would have kicked her to the curb. Willow slammed the door on her because she violated Willow's will (yes, karma is a bitch, but that doesn't excuse what Amy did). Not because she didn't want to help her. Willow nearly ended the world, and everyone still loves her. True. But that's because they loved Willow to begin with. Amy never sought forgiveness. Or love. She continues of her warpath of self-righteous magical warfare today. So at this very moment, I really don't care for Amy at all. She was cute in "The Witch"... but after that, witch became "bitca".
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Post by Hallow Thorn on Jan 28, 2010 16:39:20 GMT -5
I’m excited about a bigger Amy storyline next season, it's way over due and with the magic coming to an end and with all the power she abuses. I can see it going
1. Joins Buffy for ‘good’ and die in the process 2. Stays evil, Willow vs. Amy battle and die in the process 3. Twilight kills her... and um, and die in the process
But I think she will try and redeem herself, even in a small way before she is killed.
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Post by Joe on Jan 28, 2010 17:03:26 GMT -5
I’m excited about a bigger Amy storyline next season, it's way over due and with the magic coming to an end and with all the power she abuses. Amy has a bigger storyline next season? It's been confirmed? Also, can anyone find the exact quote where Scott says Amy is more important than we think? I remember it but I can't seem to find it.
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Post by Hallow Thorn on Jan 28, 2010 17:23:07 GMT -5
I’m excited about a bigger Amy storyline next season, it's way over due and with the magic coming to an end and with all the power she abuses. Amy has a bigger storyline next season? It's been confirmed? Apparently. Yeah, a quote would be nice.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Jan 28, 2010 17:33:08 GMT -5
She has a bigger storyline for the remainder of this season.
We haven't gotten any hints at all about what happens next season... and we probably won't, since it would tend to give away things like who lives and who dies this season.
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Post by hitnrun017 on Jan 28, 2010 17:40:48 GMT -5
Seriously? Amy was in the same predicament Willow was in in Season 6, and she didn't have anybody to help her with it. No Buffy, no Giles... just herself. Willow could've helped her, but nope, she slams the door in her face, literally. I agreed with Amy in The Killer in Me, I understood her anger. "She almost destroyed the world, and yet everyone keeps on loving her?" Add to the points Andrew brought up... Redemption might be a tired trick, but Amy deserves it. Probably the most unfairly treated character. I dig her. No, Amy wasn't in the same predicament as Willow in S6. Willow wanted to quit. She resolved to quit. Amy didn't want to. And instead of respecting Willow's wishes, as henz said, she tried to bring her down again. Amy could have had friends. She did early on. But then she went rat. And even before that, she was already dabbling with shady stuff. If she had resolved to quit with Willow, I doubt the Scoobies would have kicked her to the curb. Willow slammed the door on her because she violated Willow's will (yes, karma is a bitch, but that doesn't excuse what Amy did). Not because she didn't want to help her. Willow nearly ended the world, and everyone still loves her. True. But that's because they loved Willow to begin with. Amy never sought forgiveness. Or love. She continues of her warpath of self-righteous magical warfare today. So at this very moment, I really don't care for Amy at all. She was cute in "The Witch"... but after that, witch became "bitca". She resolved to quit after she almost got Dawn killed. That's a pretty big eye opener that Amy didn't experience. Buffy and Dawn cleaned out everything magic-like to help Willow's temptation, and she also couldn't go to The Magic Box alone. All things that helped her, all things Amy didn't have. Willow was just as big an influence on Amy when she got de-rat-ed. Both were going crazy with magic, both made mistakes. Willow had help to fall back on, Amy had nothing.
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Post by Smashed on Jan 28, 2010 17:54:52 GMT -5
Amy has always always interested me! She's like the Faith to Willow's Buffy. It's very interesting, IMO. I hope Amy survives. If she doesn't I'll be really disappointed. On that note...I'm glad she finally got a boyfriend!
I could see Willow killing Warren (again?) and Amy getting dark on her ass later in season 9.
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Post by wenxina on Jan 28, 2010 18:02:46 GMT -5
She resolved to quit after she almost got Dawn killed. That's a pretty big eye opener that Amy didn't experience. Buffy and Dawn cleaned out everything magic-like to help Willow's temptation, and she also couldn't go to The Magic Box alone. All things that helped her, all things Amy didn't have. Willow was just as big an influence on Amy when she got de-rat-ed. Both were going crazy with magic, both made mistakes. Willow had help to fall back on, Amy had nothing. I'm not saying Willow didn't get lucky. Her nearly killing Dawn was her epiphany. And then she made a choice. I'm sorry Amy didn't get such a drastic eye opener, but quite frankly, it still doesn't make me pity her. Amy didn't have anyone to fall back on because she didn't want to fall back on anyone. She didn't want to quit. That's the fundamental difference I'm arguing here. As I said before, she had a loving father. She would have Buffy and Willow, and everyone else had she chosen to stop. She and Willow could have held each other accountable. But she didn't want to stop. So nope, I'm not joining the pity parade for a character who chose not to change. If she had shown any sign of wanting to change, and got thrown to the side, sure, I'd be a lot more sympathetic. I'd be making the same argument you are right now, that she had no one. But the fact of the matter is, Amy didn't care. And for that, I don't care.
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Post by henzINNIT on Jan 28, 2010 18:16:50 GMT -5
Willow had to ditch Amy to save herself. If Amy wanted to change at any point things would have been different, but all we know of her time after Wrecked is that she went from junkie to villain. I think her existence is in general is to show what could have been with Willow; but as much as we can sympathise with her in their similarities, we have to look at where they differ. Amy's the dark side for a reason. Willow accepted her wrongs and tried to change and Amy blamed those around her and sunk deeper.
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Post by rufio on Jan 29, 2010 1:53:46 GMT -5
Who feels sorry for Amy?! I think she needs to keep on getting darker & darker until we get another mystical blowout between her & Willow. If the writers ARE going to kill Amy-Willow would be the best character to have fight & kill her. If not Willow, then Buffy. Amy's story has been very long & drawn out, which IMO makes it more interesting. It's always been like a little sideshow with her. I'm totally 100& against an Amy redemption. It'd be more interesting to me if she does end up turning into her mother. If her story isn't resolved with Season 8, I'd like to see her carried over to Season 9. Warren & Twilight need to be gone by season 9.
And this is pretty random, but I've thought for a long time that Giles would make a badass villain-as a vampire. If season 9 is going to be the end all of the buffy saga (no movie :/...), then I think Giles as a Vamp King would be sick. Drusilla could come sweeping back into the buffyverse- turn Giles & wreck havoc in buffys life. Giles knows Buffy better than most people. He'd be the hardest person for her to fight since Angel/Angelus probably. And even though it would make me sad on a certain level because i LOVE giles- I think it would be fitting conclusion. & I can see the writers playing it out like buffy loosing a parent in a way & having to really grow up.. Not to say that she hasn't really grown up alot these past 2 seasons because she definitely has.
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Post by VampSlayer on Jan 29, 2010 1:54:44 GMT -5
I think it would be a great character arc for Amy if she tried to redeem herself and joined Buffy's crew in season 9 for some reason. Remember when Amy wasn't evil? She was cool! I'd like her to get back to that. I agree SO MUCH with this!
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Post by Tea - Total on Jan 29, 2010 6:26:45 GMT -5
I hope the First is revealed as amy mother. It could happen ..
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Post by juniorwatcher on Jan 30, 2010 11:28:05 GMT -5
I agree with the Willow turning Amy back into a rat thing. But how exactly is Amy more important than we think? Is she the one that gave Angel/Twilight these new fangled powers? Will she be casting the spell that sends magick away from our dimension? PLEASE SPOILER TAG ANYTHING TO DO WITH TWILIGHT'S IDENTITY IN THREADS THAT DO NOT NECESSARILY PERTAIN TO HIM
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Post by alex_krycek on Feb 1, 2010 1:57:18 GMT -5
Who feels sorry for Amy?! I think she needs to keep on getting darker & darker until we get another mystical blowout between her & Willow. If the writers ARE going to kill Amy-Willow would be the best character to have fight & kill her. If not Willow, then Buffy. Amy's story has been very long & drawn out, which IMO makes it more interesting. It's always been like a little sideshow with her. I'm totally 100& against an Amy redemption. It'd be more interesting to me if she does end up turning into her mother. If her story isn't resolved with Season 8, I'd like to see her carried over to Season 9. Warren & Twilight need to be gone by season 9. And this is pretty random, but I've thought for a long time that Giles would make a badass villain-as a vampire. If season 9 is going to be the end all of the buffy saga (no movie :/...), then I think Giles as a Vamp King would be sick. Drusilla could come sweeping back into the buffyverse- turn Giles & wreck havoc in buffys life. Giles knows Buffy better than most people. He'd be the hardest person for her to fight since Angel/Angelus probably. And even though it would make me sad on a certain level because i LOVE giles- I think it would be fitting conclusion. & I can see the writers playing it out like buffy loosing a parent in a way & having to really grow up.. Not to say that she hasn't really grown up alot these past 2 seasons because she definitely has. i agree. i am totally down for a battle between amy, much darker then we've seen and willow. i think redemption is out of the question for amy. but the question is, how do you stop a witch? would they simply make her a rat again? this seems like a lame, but fitting idea. i think if willow and amy duke it out (in a means to wrap up amy's character) they should do something better. she could be redeemed by trying to double cross twilight if he negs on her clemency deal. or perhaps willow could plain stop her in a binding spell. but could willow kill another witch? does witch fall under the monster category in buffy's book? would a witch be an acceptable human target for a slayer? could this be an issue between buffy wanting to kill her and willow wanting to save her?
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Post by Eric on Feb 1, 2010 3:12:53 GMT -5
Amy does seem to be motivated by not much besides her own desires, so I don't think it would be out of character to side with the Scoobies if Twilight betrays her. I wouldn't like it if she became a full fledge Scoobie, though. I don't think she make a good Big Bad either. Actually, what I'd like to happen is for her to be betrayed by Twilight, side with the Scoobies and when Twilight is defeated seek redemption with Willow and company only to flake out in Season Nine when it's more convenient. I think that could be kinda funny.
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Post by Tea - Total on Feb 11, 2010 6:54:41 GMT -5
I want the first to come back to show its potential, i think it would be an interesting read.
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Post by misterkent on Feb 14, 2010 6:40:58 GMT -5
I like Amy as a recurring Little Bad, but not the Big one - BtVS only had a few recurring villains that didn't get promoted as Spike and Dru did. Ethan and Amy were the only two that really stuck, so it'd be nice to see amy still alive at the end of Season 8. As for a Big Bad for Season 9, I don't want it to be anyone we know, and I don't want the identity to be a mystery (of course). Perhaps a female Big Bad - a Slayer would be nice
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