Tea - Total
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Post by Tea - Total on Feb 21, 2010 9:02:51 GMT -5
I decided to do this subject because i was curious on which character was better for the first and who is basically stronger.
Let talk about the Turok Han first, Turok Han are a race of ancient powerful vampires stronger and fiercer than the regular vampires, so that indicates that their stronger then original vampires. But this vampire, the first ever Turok Han was bad ass and brutal its strength was incredible and it essence of speed matched Buffy's. But Buffy chopped its head off by bobbed wire.
Turok Han, Strength , 8.2/10 speed, 10/10 brutal , 9.5/10 Who did more damage to Buffy, 9/10
Caleb.
Caleb character's is so creepy. His strength is incredible, one punched knocked out Buffy and he was emerged with the original first to grant him stamina durability. Caleb was revived with another power transfusion from the First and immediately knocks Angel unconscious, but this time he failed Buffy sliced him with her scythe.
Caleb. Strength, 9.5/10 speed , 7/10 brutal 8.7/10 Who did more damage to Buffy, 8.8/10
Who was the better villain and who was stronger.
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gumgnome
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Post by gumgnome on Feb 22, 2010 3:10:37 GMT -5
Surely Caleb gets points for serious damage to a core scoob. A villain isn't just made by their strength and speed, personality plays a major part of it. This puts Caleb ahead for me because he actually has one. While the Turok-Han has some cool moves, this is pretty much the only personality it gets what with the no speech thing. Funnily enough, this actually seems enough to confuse the character for me. On the one hand we're told that the thing is ultimately feral and a "crush, kill, destroy" kinda guy (Giles refers to it as the Neanderthal of vampires in a continuation of the bad rep that Neanderthals unfairly get - they were almost certainly culturally and socially very advanced, but that's another argument). On the other hand, it's one of the more martial-arts wielding baddies, with the kind of moves that you would think you would have to learn, rather than being innately gifted. The way it moves reminds me of Ray Park as Darth Maul, which certainly doesn't follow with the feral image. Therefore I give the crown to Caleb, for having a lot more personality and for the confusion over even the limited character that the Turok-Han gets.
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Post by Talkie Toaster on Feb 22, 2010 5:49:10 GMT -5
dont forget that Caleb is very cunning not just monsterous like a turok han
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Tea - Total
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Post by Tea - Total on Feb 22, 2010 7:34:58 GMT -5
Surely Caleb gets points for serious damage to a core scoob. A villain isn't just made by their strength and speed, personality plays a major part of it. This puts Caleb ahead for me because he actually has one. While the Turok-Han has some cool moves, this is pretty much the only personality it gets what with the no speech thing. Funnily enough, this actually seems enough to confuse the character for me. On the one hand we're told that the thing is ultimately feral and a "crush, kill, destroy" kinda guy (Giles refers to it as the Neanderthal of vampires in a continuation of the bad rep that Neanderthals unfairly get - they were almost certainly culturally and socially very advanced, but that's another argument). On the other hand, it's one of the more martial-arts wielding baddies, with the kind of moves that you would think you would have to learn, rather than being innately gifted. The way it moves reminds me of Ray Park as Darth Maul, which certainly doesn't follow with the feral image. Therefore I give the crown to Caleb, for having a lot more personality and for the confusion over even the limited character that the Turok-Han gets. I agree , Caleb character was menacing and dark. And his character is clever and imaginative, Caleb's superhuman body serves as a vessel for the awesome power of the non corporeal First Evil. Which give a hint that he has to be superior of strength then any character who severed the first. First Evil makes him the commander of its campaign of carnage and mayhem which indicates he has leadership qualitys.. I am only saying that the Turok Han did more damage to Buffy then Caleb could of imagined. Buffy quickly figured it out after two fights, the way to beat Caleb wasn't meeting strength with strength. Physically Caleb were stronger then Buffy, but strength isn't everything, there are ways to overcome it.
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Post by gumgnome on Feb 22, 2010 13:32:45 GMT -5
I am only saying that the Turok Han did more damage to Buffy then Caleb could of imagined. How? Fair enough, it beats seven shades out of Buffy, but Caleb leaves a permanent mark on the Scoobies, which counts for more in my books.
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Tea - Total
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Post by Tea - Total on Feb 22, 2010 14:48:41 GMT -5
I agree, Caleb did leave a permanent mark on the Scoobies, taking out Spike and Faith easily, and killed two potential.I agree he left a devastating effect on them especially the scene when Caleb porked Xander eye out. But Buffy got back up from one serious punch by Caleb and blasting him across the room with just two swings in the face. To me the first Turok Han did more damage to Buffy.. But for the whole team i agree Caleb did some damage.
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Post by VampSlayer on Feb 23, 2010 0:34:59 GMT -5
Caleb, for sure. ;D
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Post by buffyfan21 on Feb 23, 2010 13:13:04 GMT -5
Caleb all the way! He was a great villain, plus I just really love Nathan Fillion.
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Post by Randi Giles on Feb 23, 2010 18:38:51 GMT -5
Caleb for me. Turok-han was just a mindless monster.
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Post by Tea - Total on Feb 25, 2010 14:10:23 GMT -5
The Turok Han was an primordial vampire expression of a animalistic "killing machine", which i found bloody scary.
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Feb 27, 2010 2:03:36 GMT -5
If you're judging just by "damage done to Buffy", then Caleb still comes out ahead, because of the psychological hurtin' he put on her. The trap he led her into caused her a big-time case of self-doubt, and got everyone else to lose confidence in her, too--badly enough to replace her as the group's leader. She gave up, and if it hadn't been for Spike's pep-talk, she might've stayed out of the fight, permanently...
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Tea - Total
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Post by Tea - Total on Mar 6, 2010 13:50:36 GMT -5
If you're judging just by "damage done to Buffy", then Caleb still comes out ahead, because of the psychological hurtin' he put on her. The trap he led her into caused her a big-time case of self-doubt, and got everyone else to lose confidence in her, too--badly enough to replace her as the group's leader. She gave up, and if it hadn't been for Spike's pep-talk, she might've stayed out of the fight, permanently... I totally agree, Caleb left a emotion permanent effect on the scoobies,his character is dark and menacing. But after two fights, Buffy had the upper hand she used her essence of speed and she also used her environment to out smart Caleb.Buffy was right after all, she didn't need a team to back her up she could handle herself just fine and she succeeded.
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Post by Jezebel Jinx on Mar 12, 2010 12:07:12 GMT -5
I went with Caleb.
While the Turok-Han is a pretty strong villain I saw them as more of the crush-kill-destroy type of demon. They don't have a plan but they want to kill people.
Where Caleb is different than the Turok-Han, he's cunning and unassuming. He doesn't look like someone who would gut you in a heartbeat, he's dressed as a priest which would put many people at ease immediately. I think that kind of villain is far scarier than the crush-kill-destroy type demon.
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Post by Eric on Mar 12, 2010 13:46:44 GMT -5
I went with Caleb.
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Tea - Total
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Post by Tea - Total on Mar 13, 2010 9:03:09 GMT -5
I thought Caleb was darker then the Turok Han. I only appreciate the turok Han for because we finally have a look at an ancient vampire.
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Post by elenasaur on Mar 13, 2010 13:18:51 GMT -5
I feel like Caleb was worse. The turok-han was scary and everything, because it was ancient and powerful, and yada yada yada. Caleb was different and scarier because he appeared human. He wasn't some mindless animal. He taunted the scoobies as he destroyed them, and added mind games to the mix.
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Post by Billie Erin on Mar 13, 2010 17:02:32 GMT -5
Caleb because he is capable of thinking things through and making plans . . . it'sthe classic cavemen vs astronauts debate lol
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Post by Tea - Total on Mar 14, 2010 6:19:37 GMT -5
But people you should consider , Buffy out smarted him by using her essence of speed and the environment around to get answers. Buffy succeed and got her goal........... The scythe. I think it should shown us statement explaining that the first(Turok Han) one was some sort of champion or alpha male of its species.
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Post by slayerthorn on Mar 19, 2010 0:10:24 GMT -5
I picked the Turok Han because it was harder to kill than the average vampire and was much more animalistic. It didn't have to think about killing the potentials or trying to kill Buffy, it just did it naturally. I think that puts it at an advantage over Caleb.
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Post by emanuele on Mar 19, 2010 13:14:51 GMT -5
If it's not infused with The First Evil, Caleb is actually lame
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