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Post by VampSlayer on Dec 12, 2009 15:20:15 GMT -5
Omg, I love this new cover! It's one of my favorites so far!
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Post by Wyndam on Feb 3, 2010 21:54:04 GMT -5
This will be out in two weeks (on February 17) according to IDW's e-mail newsletter.
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Post by winterdreamer on Feb 3, 2010 21:58:09 GMT -5
I'm really looking forward to this issue.....want to see what 'shenanigans' Gunn & Spike are getting up to. =P
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Post by Billie Erin on Feb 16, 2010 10:16:07 GMT -5
Was there no preview released for this issue? If so I wonder why not . . .
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Post by Hellbound Hyperion on Feb 16, 2010 11:58:12 GMT -5
Was there no preview released for this issue? If so I wonder why not . . . There's still time, the day's only just begun! That said, I'm perfectly okay with not getting a preview. I like to be surprised when it comes to comics.
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Post by jellymoff on Feb 16, 2010 12:19:29 GMT -5
Was there no preview released for this issue? If so I wonder why not . . . There's still time, the day's only just begun! That said, I'm perfectly okay with not getting a preview. I like to be surprised when it comes to comics. Bam! www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/1002/16/idwfirsts.htmSince when did vamps regenerate?
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Post by hitnrun017 on Feb 16, 2010 12:31:39 GMT -5
Well uhh... can't say I liked anything in those 6 pages besides the last panel. Really hoped the quality would pick up after the improvement of last issue, but this was just... bad. Very bad. Mythology breaking bad. I can't hear any of the three characters saying those words. Did this Spike and Gunn thing have anything to do with the story? I was excited to see their scenes together for some deep character stuff, not this nonsense.
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Post by wenxina on Feb 16, 2010 14:16:40 GMT -5
You know what happens when there's way too much text on a page of art? The casual reader just zones out and reads everything on a totally superficial level. At least, that's what I did. But just because a character says "bloody" a lot, doesn't mean it's Spike. Oh well... as for regeneration... I'm pretty sure that breaks canon, since Spike's hands were amputated by Dana, and then were sewn back on, and he had to wait for his nerves to heal before he could do much of anything.
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Post by BenTaylor3907 on Feb 16, 2010 14:42:24 GMT -5
Yeah, I thought the whole amputated limb turning into dust and the regenerating was complete bull-crap. Did Bill Willingham even watch the series? And Spike saying "And I still think Gunn is a dirty traitor..." is that in regard to Fred's demise? Yeah, the lost panel was pretty boss. I hope Illyria kills that guy who set Angel up since we all know Angel doesn't have the stones to kill him.
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Post by winterdreamer on Feb 16, 2010 15:26:58 GMT -5
Ok...I'm pretty forgiving with stuff, but WTF? Um, I'm thinking the writer needs a refresher course in established vampire physiology. The whole severed limb thing is faintly ridiculous, thats waaaaay to big to just forget about. How did it not get caught during editing? Did nobody on staff remember Damage. (and here me, thinking it was a pretty memorable ep.)
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Post by bovy on Feb 16, 2010 15:47:51 GMT -5
It doesn't seem to breake canon to me, it rather suggests that something weird has happened to Spike. His exact words are: "..I almost preferred it back when my severed limbs didn't dust and I could get them sewn back on". That's the Dana-incident in season 5. So, until futher proof is presented, Willingham isn't guilty of Crime Against Continuity yet IMO.
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Post by winterdreamer on Feb 16, 2010 15:52:42 GMT -5
It doesn't seem to breake canon to me, it rather suggests that something weird has happened to Spike. His exact words are: "..I almost preferred it back when my severed limbs didn't dust and I could get them sewn back on". That's the Dana-incident in season 5. So, until futher proof is presented, Willingham isn't guilty of Crime Against Continuity yet IMO. oh.....well I feel a bit silly now. That does sound better...though, you have to wonder about Spike's luck if he's lost enough limbs lately to have such a ho-hum reaction to it.
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Post by wenxina on Feb 16, 2010 17:18:21 GMT -5
It doesn't seem to breake canon to me, it rather suggests that something weird has happened to Spike. His exact words are: "..I almost preferred it back when my severed limbs didn't dust and I could get them sewn back on". That's the Dana-incident in season 5. So, until futher proof is presented, Willingham isn't guilty of Crime Against Continuity yet IMO. I caught that too, but, as far as I know, Spike's just a regular ol' vampire with a soul. Nothing special about him other than that. Perhaps we're about to get some kinda big revelation, but Gunn didn't seem fazed by it either, which indicates that it would be something that he already knew. But seriously... back to the preview for a sec... way too much text. Why is Spike suddenly being written as some kinda verbose action hero wannabe? If it were Spider-Man, I'd perhaps just shrug, but by his own admission, Spike doesn't think very much and is mostly about acting. Which is what the text is telling me, but my point is, Spike isn't the guy to be thinking about how he's not thinking and just acting. He just does it. And in the hands of a good artist and writer team, that could be achieved without the damn wall-o'-text in just about every panel.
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Post by Wyndam on Feb 16, 2010 17:23:24 GMT -5
Aren't the thought bubbles an after the fact sort of thing? Connor is making everyone write reports, so Spike's "thoughts" aren't what he's actually thinking during the moment he's fighting the demon's. If you take them away, and only look at what is happening during the scene, we don't know what Spike is thinking, and he's just hitting stuff and arguing with Gunn.
As for the leg thing... I agree with bovy that it seems like something has happened to Spike, as Willingham references "Damages" and obviously knows what has happened in that episode. I'll wait until I read the full issues until I pass judgement on that.
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Post by wenxina on Feb 16, 2010 17:31:44 GMT -5
Yes, they are... but point remains... too much text. Spike's report would've been along the lines of "Found our man. I jumped on the bastard. Gunn wanted to figure out another angle. Probably smart, since I lost my bloody leg. Damn, that smarts!" Not the freaking dictionary and thesaurus. And my point was that Spike doesn't think. He just "does". Spike would have just been hitting stuff and arguing. Not being all Hemingway. Actually, Hemingway-ish prose would be better suited for Spike. Sparse, direct, to the point.
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Post by Hellbound Hyperion on Feb 16, 2010 18:28:36 GMT -5
I have to agree with Xi here. Spike has always been contrasted by his inability to screw around. Especially with regards to language. He picks his favorite words, throws them out, then bites a few people and leaves. There's no need for all this mumble-jumble word-salad blah-de-blah.
And regardless of character, too much text is killer. Even Spidey has his limits - Dan Slott nailed Spidey every single time in his recent Gauntlet run. This much text is overkill. Comics are a visual format, Bill - stop killing your (brilliant and talented) artists!
As for continuity - I'll wait. Context may be needed here.
ETA: I apologize for my overkill use of the word "kill" in kill the second kill paragraph. It's a kill thing. I'm kill sorry.
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Post by Paul on Feb 16, 2010 19:27:54 GMT -5
The overly-verbose dialogue is a problem I've noticed with Willingham's writing. All the characters talk perfect English like Giles or Wesley, it makes them sound completely out of character.
I think Spike's grudge against Gunn is highly exaggerated as well. In #17, he casually talks about how betrayal is no reason to kick someone out of Team Angel. Also, wouldn't he be especially forgiving towards a former evil vampire?
Crappy preview, my optimism for Willingham's run is fading. He just doesn't get the characters at all.
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Post by Emmie on Feb 16, 2010 23:53:59 GMT -5
Not looking good. I can't even manage the energy to go into detail, but I've "liked" Xi's and Paul's analysis. And while there might be an argument that there's a context for Spike's condition, um when did that change? Is this something that's just being introduced now in a preview in a way that makes it seem confusing?
If it is a plot point, Willingham crammed the page with too much of his attempts to make Spike and Gunn funny with the "wall o' text".
And was there a dig at DH in there? Gunn giving the official line of: "That we cooperated with each other, worked together and used teamwork to solve the crisis" when in reality they weren't working together at all.
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Post by zamolxis on Feb 17, 2010 2:59:37 GMT -5
And was there a dig at DH in there? Gunn giving the official line of: "That we cooperated with each other, worked together and used teamwork to solve the crisis" when in reality they weren't working together at all. Nah, they just make it to 'jibe' together! See, Spike lost a limb but it grew up again so DH could play with him like nothing happened! And why are all of you complaining he doesn't sound like Spike? Maybe he just lost his mind also and it grew up another one, or another personality! This s#ks big time
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Post by kaleidoscope on Feb 17, 2010 3:47:02 GMT -5
Spike's had alot of dialogue in the first three issues of this series, but what's emerging isn't a nuanced, balanced character, but a bit of a caricature. Spike is a womanizer, Spike doesn't like anyone (even Connor or Gunn it appears)Spike is rash to the point of idiocy... I can't say that Spike doesn't behave rashly from time to time, or that he doesn't like women etc, but the characterization here in #30 is played heavily for comic relief as it was in #28 to the degree that it does the character a disservice, imho. I'm not really sure about the writing for Gunn either. Both Spike and Gunn seem like jerks here. On a positive note, I did like the last panel and the art !
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