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Post by Emmie on Oct 27, 2009 20:16:30 GMT -5
Okay, shirtless Topher definitely needs to be in the DVD extras!
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Post by Hellbound Hyperion on Oct 27, 2009 20:40:20 GMT -5
Okay, shirtless Topher definitely needs to be in the DVD extras! Can I just say... YES?!?!?
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Post by drusillacakes on Oct 27, 2009 21:42:59 GMT -5
Watched it again Just wondering though, why didn't Topher send Sierra back with some ninja in her cocktail? I was so frightened for her, and it felt like he was sending her in unarmed. Even though she proved that she could handle herself, wouldn't he expect that Priya would in serious danger?
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Post by Hellbound Hyperion on Oct 27, 2009 22:18:00 GMT -5
Watched it again Just wondering though, why didn't Topher send Sierra back with some ninja in her cocktail? I was so frightened for her, and it felt like he was sending her in unarmed. Even though she proved that she could handle herself, wouldn't he expect that Priya would in serious danger? I think that was part of the point - he doesn't fully understand what it's like to suddenly wake up and realize what your body has been doing for the past year - Priya cracked, and Topher feels responsible for what happened. He also said, back in the Dollhouse, that he didn't expect Priya to go back to Nolan after she regained her original self; Priya says "I would've gone anyway. I had to confront him."
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Post by misterkent on Nov 1, 2009 3:52:53 GMT -5
One of the notes scratched into Echo's floor door was "Sierra loves Victor" or something similar This was an awesome episode, I watched it twice in a row I loved that moment where Adelle says to Topher that he is amoral - that was a beautiful, sad scene, a bit menacing even (though she wasn't judging him, she said). I missed a lot of the first season, but Victor's flash "Indian moment" in the shower was new information, was it not? I wonder if the war flashbacks have something to do with him becoming an Active.
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Post by Hellbound Hyperion on Nov 1, 2009 4:41:19 GMT -5
It was alluded to in "Echoes" as well. I dunno if it's entirely related to why he became an Active, but it is definitely a part of his former life. ETA: "Indian moment"? That was a wartime flashback. (I get what you're saying in context of the scene, but it sounded odd at first glance because the flashback clearly shows military uniforms and chaos, not anything related to Hinduism and/or Native Americans.)
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Post by elenasaur on Nov 1, 2009 22:31:30 GMT -5
Just saw the episode. It was intense, and I thought it was really, really good. I loved getting more of the back story on Sierra, because in previous episodes we've gotten hints, and now we actually get to see the big picture. I hope they don't ax the show before we get to find out more about the other characters, like Victor, or before see Dr. Saunders again.
I love the whole moral debate surrounding the Dollhouse. I wish I could write my college essay on that, because then I would actually have something to say.
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Post by worldofshrimps on Nov 3, 2009 10:15:22 GMT -5
Some of the things written on echo's bed/pod: attic is bad where is Caroline shoulder to the wheel ghosts victor loves sierra baby isn't mine blue skies my son killed me There was also something about Topher and a some other phrases I couldn't make out. Here's someone who figured out more: community.livejournal.com/blank_dolls/346018.htmlI can't be certain but I think something else I noticed was something to do with "mountains" under the one that read 'ghost' Absolutey amazing episode! The, Epitaph One and episode 2X03 (can't remember name) have been my favourites so far!
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Post by Hellbound Hyperion on Nov 3, 2009 13:29:43 GMT -5
It says "Mountains are safe." Here's a snapshot of Echo's glass (I bought the episode on iTunes, hence the controls displayed)
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Post by hitnrun017 on Nov 3, 2009 18:04:47 GMT -5
I really think the mountains will become "Safe Haven". We know nothing about them, except that they are in Caroline's mind, as we saw in Needs. Guess that part stayed with Echo.
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Post by Xander-Shaped Friend on Nov 5, 2009 18:30:25 GMT -5
I really think the mountains will become "Safe Haven". We know nothing about them, except that they are in Caroline's mind, as we saw in Needs. Guess that part stayed with Echo. That's the most interesting and thought provoking thing I've read all day...which actually kind of pathetic.
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Post by BenTaylor3907 on Nov 19, 2009 13:37:44 GMT -5
Just watched this episode. Adelle looks so much better with long hair. I did not expect "Sierra" to kill Nolan Kinnard. Knock him out, yes. Shank him, no. I was happy that Topher and Boyd helped in disposing of his corpse. Its very tragic how Priya (is that how you spell it?) ended up in the Dollhouse. Whoop! Whoop! Keith Carradine is in the house! Topher definitely reminded me of Adam Hann-Byrd from Jumanji (young Alan) when he had blood smeared on his face.
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Post by wenxina on Feb 25, 2010 20:31:27 GMT -5
For those who want to own a copy of Priya's painting, but couldn't afford the $6900 price tag of the original, a more affordable version can now be yours. If you'd like to pre-order a print, click HERE. Only 200 will be printed, and they go for $180. The prints measure 20 by 32 inches, and will ship the first week of April.
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Post by wytchcroft on Feb 26, 2010 1:21:13 GMT -5
For those who want to own a copy of Priya's painting, but couldn't afford the $6900 price tag of the original, a more affordable version can now be yours. If you'd like to pre-order a print, click HERE. Only 200 will be printed, and they go for $180. The prints measure 20 by 32 inches, and will ship the first week of April. sigh. i wish!
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Post by PJ on Feb 26, 2010 9:10:10 GMT -5
why does it still have to be so expensive? I think im going to just have to copy and paste it to my documents, and print it out on photo paper.
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Post by wenxina on Feb 26, 2010 9:44:09 GMT -5
Well, it's not a poster... the print is of higher quality, and it's being printed on high quality artist paper. $180 may seem high, but I've a feeling that it's pretty standard of art prints of that size in the same quality.
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Post by PJ on Feb 26, 2010 14:48:33 GMT -5
true, i would buy it if it wasn't that expensive because it's an amazing piece, but i just don't have $180 dollars to spend you know? EDIT: wow! it's my 800th post!
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Post by Eric on Feb 26, 2010 20:06:34 GMT -5
This is why I want money. D:
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Post by joxerlives on Nov 13, 2010 18:57:09 GMT -5
BELONGING
The good; Very good mislead at the start, you keep trying to figure out the nature of Sierra's assignment. Nice to see Adele with long hair again. Some great acting from Dichen in her madness.
The bad; If Kinnard has used the LA Dollhouse before in his seduction of Priya isn't he worried anyone will remember her?
Best line; Kinnard;(of Priya) "I'm a collector, you're the real deal" (collector of what exactly?) plus Topher; "I'm not the bad man" (as we shall learn)
Packing heat; nope Echo;8 Boyd; 8 Dominic; 9 Sierra; 4 Victor; 3 Ballard; 10 November; 1
Echo kissage; 4
Kinky dinky; Of course you can't go to Venice Beach to film and not have a couple of shapely bimbos in bikinis wander across the screen. Plenty of both straight and gay sex at the art exhibition 'chill out room' along with a few lines of coke. Note that among the pictures in Kinnard's drawer is a picture of Sierra in a schoolgirls uniform.
Capt subtext; Note how tactile Adele is with Topher, hinting at the mother/son like relationship we saw in Epitaph One.
Notches on the Dollhouse bedpost; definitely Kinnard for Sierra Echo; 4 definite, 2 possible November; 1 Ballard; 1 Victor; 1 Adele; 1 Sierra 1 definite Topher; 1 possible
How'd they get away with that? Boyd and Topher butcher Kinnard and dissolve his body with acid. Yeessh! The whole Sierra/Kinnard fight and Topher's disposal of the corpse is incredibly bloody and brutal, to judge by the commentary it was even more visceral in the first cut, must have been the full Evil Dead 2. More needles, you know some of us suffer trypanophobia Joss.
This weeks fantasy; Sierra is essentially her original personality of Priya but in love and devoted to Kinnard.
What do we think of the client? Adele hits the nail on the head, loathsome scum. Essentially the Dollhouse is a high tech brothel (although not every assignment features sex), whatever you think of prostitution it's the choice of the actives to go there. They're all consenting adults, doing it for money and other benefits, Caroline to avoid going to jail, Mellie to help her get over her grief, Victor to presumably help him recover from his traumatic wartime experiences . However we now learn that Sierra ISN'T a volunteer, she's there because the man who couldn't have her despite all his wealth and influence pumped her full of drugs and then had her brainwashed into his submissive concubine. She's a slave pure and simple and what he does to her is rape. And Rossum is quite willing to let this continue. Thankfully Topher isn't.
Total number personalitites; Victor and Echo are a couple of highbrow art fans hired to make Kinnard look good Echo; 28 Sierra; 12 Victor; 10 November; 3
Total dolls; 8-Echo, Sierra, November, Victor, Mike, Tango, Alpha, Whiskey
Addy is a bit British; She tells it straight, describing Kinnard as a 'raping scumbag' but still serves him tea with a smile.
Topher is a bit geeky; He does resemble Shaggy, zoiks!
Subverting the Hollywood cliche;
Bondage; Sierra tied up; 1 Ballard; 1
Knocked out; Echo; 2 November; 1 Sierra; 1 Victor; 1 Topher; 2
Kills; Sierra/Priya kills Kinnard with a steak knife to the heart Sierra; 3 kills Echo; 3 November;1
Dolls injured; Poor Sierra nastily knocked around.
Happy hookers;
Know the face? Clyde Katulas, one of those actors you see everywhere on TV. Here he plays the doctor at Pirya's mental hospital and played a very similar role on the Buffy ep 'Nightmares' 12-Whedon alumni-Mark Shepherd-2 (Dollhouse/Firefly), Amy Acker-2 (Dollhouse/Angel), walking action figure-2 (Buffy/Dollhouse), Eliza Dushku-3 (Buffy/Angel/Dollhouse), Jim Piddock-2 (Angel/Dollhouse), Gregg Henry-2 (Dollhouse/Firefly), Alan Tudyk-2 (Dollhouse/Firefly), Felicia Day-2(Dollhouse/Buffy), Alexis Denisoff-3 (Buffy, Angel and Dollhouse), Kristoffer Pohala-2 (Dollhouse/Angel), Stacey Scowley-2 (Buffy/Dollhouse) Clyde Katulas-2 (Buffy/Dollhouse)
Guantanamo; . Fanfic;
Missing scenes;.
Reminds me of;
Whedon cliches; Rich and powerful famillies who cover up the evil deeds of their wayward sons. Top security installations which aren't secure at all. Loving self-sacrificing mothers who risk all for their children.
Breaking the programming; Echo can now lie and keeps a journal. Victor is already becoming more assertive although he decides he doesn't want to be the leader.
Questions and observations; Directed by Jonathon '2 takes' Frakes of Star Trek fame. Very much the ep where Topher's conscience comes to the fore and Adele realises that Rossum truly are evil, she just hasn't picked sides yet. We're told that Dr Saunders is a permanent imprint on Whiskey. Does that mean she'll not be restored to her original personality at the end of her contract? Echo refers to Topher as 'Shaggy', can anyone tell me what Adele mouths to Topher afterwards? Topher can 'cure' schizophrenia? I suspect it's reasons like that why Adele became involved with the Dollhouse in the first place. Very little Echo in this ep and no Ballard (can't afford him according to the commentary). Sierra confirms her love for Victor both in her blank state and her Priya personality and they cuddle at the end, awwwww! Poor Sierra, sexually abused by this guy AND Hearne. No wonder she wants to continue as a doll in order to forget. Topher outside the Dollhouse, actually we see him twice, at the mental hospital and at Kinnard's house.
Marks out of 10; 8/10, Topher takes a moral stand and it's nice to see. The rotten underbelly of the Dollhouse/Rossum comes to the fore.
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