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Post by Xander-Shaped Friend on Jan 9, 2010 16:00:11 GMT -5
In "The Left Hand" it kind of seemed like Caroline might've not been a very good person and even though it would be an interesting theme-wise if maybe the original personality getting the body back wouldn't always be the best idea I was still happy that they kind of cleared it up with Caroline having Bennet's safety in mind. Though she used Bennet to get into Rossum, I suspect she did actually like her.
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Post by henzINNIT on Jan 9, 2010 16:56:11 GMT -5
There was talk of Claire being triggered, but I don't get that. Surely she just did what she did to get her final revenge on Topher. She didn't seem triggered at all, and shooting Bennet accomplished nothing.
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Post by wenxina on Jan 9, 2010 17:10:51 GMT -5
We'll see soon enough. Bennett was confident that she'd be able to bring back Caroline. Taking her out would hinder that progress. Not exactly sure what Boyd's agenda is quite yet... it would appear he doesn't want Echo killed just yet, but he tried to prevent the Caroline imprint from being retrieved. Assuming that Whiskey is working with Boyd. All we know about Sleepers come from two Actives, November and Perrin. Perhaps there are more configurations to mess around with, other than zombie-like killing machine.
Next week... ANSWERS!
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Post by henzINNIT on Jan 9, 2010 17:16:06 GMT -5
Mental to think that this timeline is going to be almost entirely wrapped up next week.
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Post by hitnrun017 on Jan 9, 2010 17:31:31 GMT -5
I wonder if Boyd was always planned to be the head of Rossum or something they just thought up to close the series. It's a good question. Should be fun rewatching the series knowing Boyd is an evil mastermind. If the writer's didn't plan it, I hope it doesn't create a bunch of plot holes. There are a lot of Boyd moments in Season 1 that just don't seem Head or Rossum-like. Was not agreeing with some of the Dollhouse's methods just an act? Wasn't Boyd an ex-cop too? Think they've made numerous comments about that. Hope they cover everything in the short 42 minutes they have. |
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Post by wenxina on Jan 9, 2010 17:33:57 GMT -5
Wasn't Boyd an ex-cop too? Think they've made numerous comments about that. Doesn't rule out the fact that Rossum is fabulous at fabricating intricate backstories for its employees. Boyd may, or may never have been a cop. He could just be like Bruce Wayne... smart, super-athletic, and apparently a good shot and an even better actor. |
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Post by Daina on Jan 9, 2010 19:00:19 GMT -5
Wasn't Boyd an ex-cop too? Think they've made numerous comments about that. Doesn't rule out the fact that Rossum is fabulous at fabricating intricate backstories for its employees. Boyd may, or may never have been a cop. He could just be like Bruce Wayne... smart, super-athletic, and apparently a good shot and an even better actor. Boyd's haver really had a solid backstory, and besides, I don't think Joss et al would just decide after all this time that Boyd was evil, and wasn't ep11 already written before Dollhouse got cancelled? Besides, having the character we see as being so moral and upstanding turning out to be pure evil, has Joss written all over it. I'm almost certain Whiskey killed Bennett because she hates Topher, poor poor Topher. I read a theory somewhere about Boyd going undercover because he knew all along about Caroline being capable of handling all the personalities, which is why he let so much slip as her handler and encouraged Echo to rebel. She's an experiment for Rossum, to try and create a technology to allow multiple imprints. That seems to be the most solid idea I've read. |
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Post by lightandmagic on Jan 10, 2010 0:33:28 GMT -5
Oh. My. God. My mind has been BLOWN. I wish I could say more but I desperately need to read for classes. Best twist from a television series ever. Ever.
Depending on these last two episodes, I could really see Boyd being one of the best villians in television history.
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Post by martodd on Jan 10, 2010 5:07:03 GMT -5
I so loved the episode! Dollhouse really is Whedon's version of Alias! And Alias is my favorite show of all times  |
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Post by buffyfan21 on Jan 10, 2010 12:43:13 GMT -5
OMG, this has seriously got to be the best ep yet! Bennett getting shot by Claire! Boyd a bad guy! So did not see those things coming! I loved the nerd love between Topher and Bennett - so cute! And I am absolutely devastated about Boyd being a bad guy b/c I really liked him.  |
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Post by Joe on Jan 10, 2010 15:41:18 GMT -5
Best episode yet! But then, I've been saying that for every new episode since The Public Eye. . Can't wait till next week. I hope I get all the answers I need to be satisfied with the ending. |
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Post by Jaz ♀♀ on Jan 10, 2010 16:59:13 GMT -5
Wow! this episode was crazy good!
I was so stoked to see Claire back! I missed her so much! It was a definite shocker to see her and Boyd together though and her as well killing Bennett.
And damnit, leave it to Joss to have a sweet loving kiss be the last kiss Bennett and Topher to have...the blood splatter of Bennett on Topher reminded me horribly of Tara's on Willow. Sudden and bloody. I was gaping at that scene and completely shocked and i am so sad because i really liked Bennett. GRRR!
Overall this episode was full of shocks and I cannot wait for the next ep....it will be beyond awesome!
Ps: I hate you FOX.
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Post by henzINNIT on Jan 11, 2010 13:02:32 GMT -5
I'm warming to the idea of Boyd's role because I think it'll be really interesting to have him be the face of evil but as caring and devoted as we saw. I don't think he was putting on an act when we saw him risk his life for Echo, and that's a really twisted relationship to have between the hero and the big bad.
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Post by kwithanh on Jan 11, 2010 18:42:59 GMT -5
I'm interested for them to explain Boyd's reasonings behind everything. Why is Echo the one to save them all? How did he know it would be Caroline? Why pose as her handler?
Ack soo many questions!!!
But pretty awesome planning on his part- seems like everything is working out as planned...
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Post by VampSlayer on Jan 11, 2010 19:44:18 GMT -5
io9.com/5444956/the-truth-about-dollhouses-evil-mastermindGreat interview. It says they planned for Boyd to be evil since the early stages of season 2. Hmm, so not always. I hope they've made sure this plot won't interfere with anything in the past. "And I shot Bennett in the head, because it was funny." -_- No. NOOOOOO.  So not funny...
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Post by CourtneyDax on Jan 12, 2010 1:58:03 GMT -5
I think this episode just proves that you simply cannot trust anyone on this show ever. There are seriously more twists than a pretzel on this show! I really think that Whiskey is a sleeper who was programmed to usurp the LA Dollhouse's plans, and I can't believe that there is argument over that fact. The situation happened like this: Whiskey made absolute sure that Bennett was going to fix Caroline's wedge and that there was nothing stopping her, then she shot her in the head. Why she shot her right as Topher was walking in? I really dunno. It might've been a mix of the hatred that Claire feels for Topher, or it was Joss upping the drama by having Bennett's blood spattered all over Topher's face. Either way, it's still completely shocking and sad. I can't even start on Boyd being Rossum. It's just totally mind blowing (no, that wasn't a jibe at Bennett). He's probably the one who changed Whiskey's programming. That's my guess... |
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Post by henzINNIT on Jan 12, 2010 7:04:22 GMT -5
Little disappointed to hear that Dollhouse isn't exactly planned too well. He wrote Ballard's missing brain element in as it wasn't decided at any point? Wow. This episode suffered from similar choppy pacing that affected "Omega". Tim's been on the end of both, maybe he just gets thrown a lot of exposition near the end of the season. I think this episode just proves that you simply cannot trust anyone on this show ever. There are seriously more twists than a pretzel on this show! I really think that Whiskey is a sleeper who was programmed to usurp the LA Dollhouse's plans, and I can't believe that there is argument over that fact. I think there is argument because Claire is already established to hate Topher through and through, so there's a massive motive already in place. She observes that Bennet is one of the only people to bring the humanity and emotional vunerability out of Topher and then dashes the girl's brain out all over Topher's face. That, coupled with the fact that Claire had just lost her chance of love and didn't act at all like any triggered person we've seen, and there's a pretty strong case for the other option I think. |
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Post by The Girl In Question on Jan 14, 2010 17:33:32 GMT -5
I just got done watching this epise and I'm offended. When Bennett made her first appearance, she became my favorite (along with Victor and Sierra). I should have known better because my favorite characters ALWAYS die no matter what kind of story it is (be it a show, anime, comic, book). On top of that, she and Topher finally got the greenlight to become a couple (which I was rooting for and then quickly realized how foolish I was considering what happens to couples in the Jossverse). Just when I was all happy about Bennett/Topher and that it was confirmed Calire and Boyd were a couple all this Bennett-death-Claire-traitor-Boyd-traitor business happens! I'm upset in so many different ways! Grr! Argh! I'd like to comment on what I thought about the overall episode, but I'm hurt right now. |
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Post by wenxina on Jan 14, 2010 20:56:31 GMT -5
Doesn't rule out the fact that Rossum is fabulous at fabricating intricate backstories for its employees. Boyd may, or may never have been a cop. He could just be like Bruce Wayne... smart, super-athletic, and apparently a good shot and an even better actor. Boyd's haver really had a solid backstory I realize that Boyd never had a solid backstory. I'm saying that in the Dollhouse universe, Rossum, or Boyd himself, being great at concocting fabulous backgrounds made up the persona of "Boyd". Made it convincing enough to fool their own employees. Passed all the checks. |
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Post by drusillacakes on Jan 14, 2010 21:35:21 GMT -5
My eyes are bugging out of my head. I just watched this episode now.
Boyd... he's the man. I love the guy, and I still have a hard time believing he's the big bad. If Caroline really was such a threat, why bother letting her live? And while he was Echo's handler, he had so many opportunities to destroy Caroline's wedge. It just doesn't add up for me, but I might have to re-watch to try to piece it all together.
Poor Topher... ugh. It breaks my heart to see him find love and then have it taken away from him. I loved that scene right afterwards between him and Ivy when he makes her evacuate-- "You have a remarkable brain. I think it should stay in your head." She really was a loyal sidekick.
Also, did anyone else recognize Eliza Dushku's beau, Rick Fox as one of the dolls? He was the doll whom they said arrived a week ago and now they're giving back his memory.
I can't wait for this Friday's episode!
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