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Post by tamara on May 15, 2010 3:27:10 GMT -5
This might be answered else where, and I might be kind of dumb for not understanding. But I was curious about how Season eight and After The Fall/Aftermath line up? Now that Angel is in both books especially, I'm a little lost about the timeline. I like things to be chronological, so I'm not sure whether I should be taking it as one coming before the other, or just separating them completly in my mind. Joss is involved in both so even though they are under different publishers, they kind of have to sync up a little, I would think? Sorry if there is a discussion about this elsewhere, if so maybe someone could just point me there, and delete this. Thanks
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Post by Hellbound Hyperion on May 15, 2010 4:24:03 GMT -5
You would think. But it is not so. IDW is not obligated to follow what's happening with Angel and Spike's stories in Season Eight, nor is Dark Horse obligated to follow Angel's story in IDW's main title (heck, IDW itself has a hard time following what's happening in IDW's main title - but that's just me complaining again ). Joss and/or Scott Allie had stated in the past that the intention was to connect After the Fall (which was co-plotted by Joss and was the only contribution Joss made to IDW's title) to Season Eight. Whether that is actually the case remains to be seen. And yes there is discussion about this elsewhere. We're all worried about it. You are not alone.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on May 15, 2010 9:46:13 GMT -5
AtF took place in the split second after the end of "Not Fade Away" (except for the last couple of issues, which take place in the days immediately following that).
Season 8 starts up some months after that... exactly how many is not specified.
During those few months, Angel had to fall under the sway of Twilight, create a persona, agenda, and large worldwide organization, and gain the trust and cooperation of most, if not all, of the world's governments.
I doubt we'll ever be shown a clear link between the two series, or that AtF will ever be referenced in any explicit way in season 8.
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Post by henzINNIT on May 16, 2010 7:10:09 GMT -5
After the Fall is over in an instant, leaving a few months for Angel to get up to all kinds of bizarre shenanigans (including as many non-cannon IDW Angel stories as you like) until he turns into a completely confused and ruined villain-ish character for Season 8
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Post by Hallow Thorn on May 16, 2010 17:01:52 GMT -5
Yeah, I think 'After The Fall' is safe in the time line with the final being only a few days later after the final of the tv show (becasue of the time set back.. )
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Post by neowhobaz on May 16, 2010 22:19:10 GMT -5
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Post by sire on May 17, 2010 3:44:08 GMT -5
.... I think it actually syncs up fairly well (not counting aftermath which doesnt count in canon imo and Angels bizzareness which i hope to high heavens will have a decent explaination) Even the fact that the world seems to swallow the whole vampires coming out of the coffin thing, in the Harmony Issue, can be attributed to the fact that most of LA would be more then aware of vampires and demons from being sent to Hell-A in after the fall... My take anyway, im sure this wasnt intentional but it works out well.
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Post by tamara on May 18, 2010 23:38:10 GMT -5
Stupidly I keep forgetting that After The Fall only took up a second in real time. So Season 8 doesn't start until more than a year after the end of season 7? So Aftermath and Season 8 are still set a few months apart right now? I assumed Aftermath was canon, does everyone not count it, or just Sire?
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Post by tamara on May 18, 2010 23:41:44 GMT -5
I know IDW and DarkHorse have no obligations to eachother, but I assumed that Joss was more involved with the Angel line. Not necessarily writing but keeping things between Buffy and Angel clear, especially with Angel now being in the Buffy comics. I think I get where everything goes chronilogically now though. (I made a little chart, lol) Except how long after Season 7 does Season 8 take place?
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Post by The Night Lord on May 19, 2010 5:08:08 GMT -5
A few people don't consider Aftermath to be canon (I'm one of them), mainly cuz of terrible writing and artwork. As for Joss working on Angel, he was only there for ATF. Now, it just seems like the series doesn't matter anymore. And finally, we are still unsure about much time has passed between season 7 and 8, but i usually put it down to about a year and a half, give or take
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Post by Billie Erin on May 19, 2010 5:24:03 GMT -5
Well Atf took place in about a mili-second so didn't chronologically advance the storyline much. If we exagerate a bit and take post-Atf Angel as only lasting about a fortnight chronologically then it'd still be about a year and a half behind the Buffy storyline, plenty of time for changes to take place
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Post by neowhobaz on May 19, 2010 7:30:06 GMT -5
Here's the way I see it. Season 5 of angel takes place 19 days after season 7. All of season 5 spans about 6 month give or take. Then the comics have taken about 3 or 4 month all together from the beggining of ATf to the current issue. In total that's ten months after season 7. That puts Angel eight months away from the beggining of season 8 so their is still some wiggle room for him to get jiggy with his inner twilight.
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Post by sosa lola on May 19, 2010 8:57:19 GMT -5
Season Five of AtS and After the Fall BOTH happen six months before Season Eight. Remember that everything that happened in After the Fall has been erased, except from people's memories. So, Angel and crew were brought back to the exact moment when Angel said he wanted to slay the dragon.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on May 19, 2010 9:37:36 GMT -5
Also, remember that events in the Angel comic after AtF are not Joss!Canon, and therefore have no relationship to anything happening in season 8. Those are stories that IDW is telling on its own, without his involvement.
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Post by raith on Jun 1, 2010 17:10:52 GMT -5
Also, remember that events in the Angel comic after AtF are not Joss!Canon, and therefore have no relationship to anything happening in season 8. Those are stories that IDW is telling on its own, without his involvement. Yeah, I'd have to concur with everyone else' theory for the timeline. I sincerely hope that Joss has something good up his sleeve for the last Buffy arc that connects to ATF, because I'm not too fond of what's going on now. It's too bad he isn't more involved in the Angel series and that it won't be considered canon. He could have at least outlined the plot for the other writers like he did with Lynch. I think that's why Willingham is writing the Angel series for as long as he wants because he has something to prove. I guess he wants people to know that the Angel storyline can be great without Joss. Hence that "debacle" they had a while back. Though Willingham's arc started out slow, it sure as hell is picking up now, and things look promising.
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Post by alex_krycek on Jun 1, 2010 17:17:52 GMT -5
anybody else just wish they'd make angel season six for the comics, and forget after the fall thru present? it might give joss a better idea how to work out the continuity flaws between the two titles.
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Post by Dorotea on Jun 1, 2010 17:49:19 GMT -5
anybody else just wish they'd make angel season six for the comics, and forget after the fall thru present? it might give joss a better idea how to work out the continuity flaws between the two titles. Nope. I feel confident that whatever IDW will ever do with Angel character it will never be even close to S8 by Joss in intensity and final resolution. Even if he destroys the Angel as he is somehow it will still be better than anything IDW will write without Joss.
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Post by Hallow Thorn on Jun 1, 2010 18:04:57 GMT -5
Angel: after the fall is EPIC. The art, storyline and dialog.. I would be happy if they just left it alone. I would love a follow up Joss story but that is never going to happen and season 8 is no longer a real factor for (me) So I am satisfied with ‘The fall’s’ ending of ‘Angel’ and it’s characters.
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Post by Billie Erin on Jun 2, 2010 7:04:23 GMT -5
I'm very impressed by all the maths on this thread, and sosa lola can I just say karmas for your banner and avatar, I've just discovered that fanfic and am totally enraptured by it
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Post by thevampirewithsoul on Jun 12, 2010 19:21:49 GMT -5
Also, remember that events in the Angel comic after AtF are not Joss!Canon, and therefore have no relationship to anything happening in season 8. Those are stories that IDW is telling on its own, without his involvement. I thought that the Gunn story in issue # 23 was canon.
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