Echo was more fun as a Doll

[henzINNIT]

Echo got kinda dull later on when she became the generic hero.

Anyone agree?

[PJ]

i don't really agree with that. Just because when she was a doll she really didn't have a personality,she was a blank-slate. I really liked the way she turned out, and how with every episode you could see a person trying to come through even though she had been wiped.

[lightandmagic]

100% disagree. Before Meet Jane Doe I found Echo to be by and far the most boring character and the one that I cared the least about aside from Paul Ballard (worst character ever). I felt like she actually developed a personality and became interesting to watch. Plus, I think what Echo adapted into just suit Dushku's range so much better, she seemed much more comfortable in those last episodes than she did throughout the whole series.

[VampSlayer]

Jun 18, 2010 19:17:08 GMT -5 lightandmagic said:

100% disagree. Before Meet Jane Doe I found Echo to be by and far the most boring character and the one that I cared the least about aside from Paul Ballard (worst character ever). I felt like she actually developed a personality and became interesting to watch. Plus, I think what Echo adapted into just suit Dushku's range so much better, she seemed much more comfortable in those last episodes than she did throughout the whole series.

Agreed. Echo was awesome from 'Meet Jane Doe', onwards.

[drusillacakes]

I really liked watching her develop her own character. It made less sense to me when she was more doll-like and took on a different persona every week. The costumes were a bonus, but I don't think I could watch an entire season of 12 or 13 different personalities.

[Inappropriate Starches]

I agree with most. It actually took me quite some time to come around to Echo as a character and I do think it was around Meet Jane Doe (though Omega was good for it too) that I grew to like her. The latter half of the second season made me like everyone better, however Echo and Paul were the ones that never really grew on me until later.

[henzINNIT]

Interesting...

I got bored of her pretty quickly after "Meet Jane Doe". Echo just became too generic and heroic. I guess things had to move forward very quickly, but I would have liked to see more of Echo developing, and possibly retaining that kind of passive attitude she had as a doll before.

[FiveByFiveFVS]

I disagree. I liked the development of Echo, and the way they did it in the short amount of time they had was perfect. I also wouldn't say Echo became a "generic" hero. She was badass. Being able to switch between personalities was so cool. It wasn't like she only had one specific skill. She was awesome. I am a bit biased though. I've loved The Dush for over 10 years now.

[henzINNIT]

She didn't really switch personalities though, just sort of became Caroline/Faith with loads of odd skills *shrugs*

[drusillacakes]

Occasionally she did have really different personalities. Like when she became Adelle's friend Margaret, or Joel's wife, Rebecca. I would say those were a couple of the stand out personas that showed Dushku's range. Ah, but did you mean after Meet Jane Doe? In that case, I'd still say I like Echo as the hero, but would have liked it to draw out longer. If only DH wasn't canceled, it could've been so much more interesting.

[spurtyknowledge]

Jul 2, 2010 18:53:05 GMT -5 henzINNIT said:

She didn't really switch personalities though, just sort of became Caroline/Faith with loads of odd skills *shrugs*

I almost agree with your initial assesment, although I love the inbetween more than heroic Echo or the Blank Slate Echo; i.e., I loved scenes like in Belonging where Echo was still very much a Doll but far more pro-active: the "You're taking charge" scene with Victor, and the "When did you learn how to lie?" scene with Boyd. However, I completely disagree that Echo was anything like Faith in terms of how the character was acted or how she was written. In fact, after hearing so many comments and/or complaints on that matter, I went back to my favorite Faith episodes (Consequences, Enemies, This Year's Girl, Five By Five, Release) in both BTVS and Angel to see if that opinion had at least some merit, but Faith was an entirely different animal.

On the other, Echo had some amazing scenes towards the end, especially in Epitaph Two.

Oh hell, I just depressed myself. Just those three or so months of Echo outside of the Dollhouse would have made an incredible and dramatic season.

[ruby]

I think the "dolls" were the main foundation of this series and therefore it was way more awesome when Echo was a doll too (:

[outofphase]

I find her whole progression and development fascinating. I love that stage in her character when her personality is developing more because we do get to see that development, but it doesn't mean that I don't like who she eventually becomes because she's 'too generic'. I think she's just more interesting to watch as a doll because it's a different angle. =]

[TC]

I loved both Echos. I'm a fan of the doll state (I think it's interesting) but I also loved real-persons Echo. When she became a "real girl," it created this amazing conflict between Echo and Caroline. (What if Caroline kicked Echo out? Who actually deserves Caroline's body -- Caroline, Echo, or both, since they both naturally--at least kind of--occurred with in it?)

I think that the three months between The Left Hand and Meet Jane Doe would have been great television. To actually watch Echo build herself up instead of only seeing her go from doll to real would have been interesting.

[Danner]

I found Echo more interesting after she had a personality, or at least a shadow of one (Like when she started becoming self-aware in the later episodes of the first season).
When she was a doll, it almost seemed like she only existed as a device to move the plot along, but after Meet Jane Doe you could see some depth in her.

I mean, it was world-weary multiple-personalities-stuck-in-one-body depth, but still! :3

[Eric]

I liked her the best during the beginning of season two, when she was self aware, but stupid.