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Post by lessons on Aug 14, 2010 11:52:29 GMT -5
I agree, all the covers are amazingly done. I dislike the alternate Variant Editions.
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Post by Jonography on Aug 24, 2010 23:32:11 GMT -5
I love the covers D: Especially Jo's. I think if Jo's cover has to do with the Hellmouth at all, I think it's Xander walking IN with Dawn. For this to work though, I think Xander would be the one siding with an enemy, which would then probably be Amy (even though she's not really a "past" enemy, like someone before me said.), who would then use the energy from the hellmouth (which I guess would actually be active once more) to revive Dawn or something.
I think Dawn's energy from being a key will come into play, seeing as there hasn't been anything to say that her energy is gone, other than when Willow was opening the portal to get Buffy back when she used the Slayer's Emergency Kit, Willow took energy from Anya and Kennedy, who were apparently the "strongest" people in the room at the time, but if I recall correctly, Dawn was in the room as well. She probably ends up being able to harness the energy (seeing as she does know some magic, as shown in the show how she was "exorcising" The First from the Summers home) but uses too much and is on the brink of dying?
I don't think she'll die, at least not in this season. I think if a main character were to die, I think Andrew might be a pretty good candidate, seeing as he was heavily injured in 35 (?). Also, where is all of this time travel talk coming from? I've been trying to keep up with S8 stuff for ages now, but I don't remember ever reading anything to do with time travel? If someone can give me a link or whatever, that would be great.
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BlueJay
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Post by BlueJay on Aug 25, 2010 0:03:56 GMT -5
Jonography, time travel was heavily used in the "Time of Your Life" arc written by Joss Whedon which are issues #16-19 of Season Eight. I don't want to spoil since you haven't read it yet. But if you're interested, you can look up summaries on fan-sites such the Buffy/Angel Wiki among others.
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Post by Jonography on Aug 25, 2010 3:40:16 GMT -5
Is that seriously why everyone's speculating time travel will occur in the final arc? Wow. >_< Honestly, I think even though it was a big enough story to be made into an arc, I don't think it would be that important to bring back for a second arc. IMO, the ToYL arc was to show that even though Buffy witnessed what her actions will bring, she (whole alternate timelines thing I don't feel like getting into seeing as it's 20 to 5 in the morning and I'm about to head to bed) doesn't try and change it back or anything. She doesn't attempt to change it. ell, that, and to bring back Fray, who is absolutely amazing. <3
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Aug 25, 2010 7:33:11 GMT -5
I think one of the reasons for the ToYL arc was to introduce the idea of time travel in season 8, so it wouldn't seem like it just came out of nowhere in the final arc. It would have seemed too silly and implausible without being set up first.
I don't know how it will be done (or even for sure if there will be any actual time travel), but I'm pretty sure it won't involve a complete retcon of Buffyverse history or a reset (like in AtF). If anything, I think they'll make a "surgical strike" at one particular event that will prevent Twilight from happening.
I think time travel in the Buffyverse operates on the "river" model rather than the "ripple" model. In the "ripple" model, any change you make in the past ripples out, becoming geometrically more disruptive to the timeline, and causing more massive changes the farther away from it you get. So if you went back in time a million years and did something as minor as kill a butterfly, you would come back to the present time to find a drastically different world than the one you knew.
The "river" model says that the flow of time is so massive that changing a little part of it doesn't make that much of a difference. If you pull a small twig out of a river, the river flows on unchanged... the only difference downriver would be things that depended on the arrival of that little twig.
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Post by Hellbound Hyperion on Aug 25, 2010 12:47:36 GMT -5
And before the Twilight reveal, people were speculating that it might be some sort of Future X (where X is any Buffyverse character that's ever lived) coming back to alter the future because of how much the future sucked. (So, you know, like Trunks from Dragon Ball Z.)
I'm buying more into "Joss just did time travel because a) Dark Willow and b) Fray and that time travel has no bearing on any major plot points". He used it the way LOST used it - to tell the most interesting stories.
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Post by krazyxxxdj on Aug 25, 2010 16:56:05 GMT -5
I'm wondering if this whole "looking for a totem to kill a God"/scythe reference is why Willow took Buffy to the future, to kill her. Was Willow a God there?
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Post by wenxina on Aug 25, 2010 20:07:26 GMT -5
That's actually a really cool guess/theory. And Willow's immortality has been hinted at quite a few times now, especially in the Willow one-shot. So, that's a definite maybe. *karma*
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Luca
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Post by Luca on Aug 30, 2010 12:16:06 GMT -5
Does anyone know when the cover of #39 will be released?
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Post by wenxina on Aug 30, 2010 15:04:43 GMT -5
Probably next month, along with all the other Dark Horse solicitations for December.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Aug 30, 2010 15:14:17 GMT -5
It wouldn't surprise me at all if DH puts out a "dummy" cover for issue #39, or doesn't show one at all. It almost can't help but be very spoilery.
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Post by wenxina on Aug 30, 2010 15:31:37 GMT -5
But they didn't bother with the covers for #38, and Chen's cover was potentially spoiler-laden. In fact, they've been pretty upfront with their covers, post mock-up-debacle. The way I see it, the rampant speculation that follows the release of any covers is probably a good thing. Perhaps Dark Horse sees it that way too.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Aug 30, 2010 15:35:54 GMT -5
But by #39 we're getting into "resolution of the entire season" territory.
I know in one of his Q&A's, Scott listed what he expected our reactions to be to each of the covers in the final arc, but I don't remember which month it was.
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Post by drywallman on Aug 30, 2010 15:54:12 GMT -5
Scott Allie: It's actually hard to say. The one I think I can single out is #40—that that's the cover that will cause the least stir. There are definitely things about #36-#39 that're gonna get you guys talking. There are gonna be people angry over Jo's cover for #36 who'll blame me, but Joss told us exactly what #36 should be, described it pretty specifically. Georges's cover for #36 is fun, probably get reposted a lot, but not stir much controversy. Some people will be excited and mystified by one of the covers for #37—speculation will run rampant. People are gonna get real worked up about #38, and #39 will get people amped up, I think. Those are my predictions.
There you go.
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Post by The Night Lord on Aug 30, 2010 16:06:21 GMT -5
Well, he wasn't exactly wrong, was he now?
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Post by Dorotea on Aug 30, 2010 16:11:03 GMT -5
Now - why would people be angry over that cover - unless they actually did the trick they failed to do with 34 and cropped it and hid the controversial parts.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Aug 30, 2010 16:11:40 GMT -5
I'm just getting really tired of waiting. I wish this arc was being released all at once as a trade paperback. Now - why would people be angry over that cover - unless they actually did the trick they failed to do with 34 and cropped it and hid the controversial parts. Stephanie Meyer haters would dislike that season 8 would be doing a "homage" to a story they consider an inferior ripoff. Bangels would be upset that Buffy seems to be favoring Spike in the picture. Since I've never read any of Meyer's books or seen any of the movies, and I have no horse in the Bangel vs. Spuffy race, I was completely unaffected. Georges' cover for #37 and Chen's for #38 are the ones that concern me the most. So the #39 cover will get us "amped up." That's good, I guess. Not sure if we'll be amped in a good way or a bad way.
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Post by drywallman on Aug 30, 2010 16:12:32 GMT -5
Well, he wasn't exactly wrong, was he now? I'm still trying to figure out the different between "worked up" and "amped up".
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Post by PJ on Aug 30, 2010 16:15:02 GMT -5
me too.....and i agree. Once we get this issue it's going to be so completely awesomeness we are going to be like "WTH?! WE HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER MONTH TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS!?"
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Aug 30, 2010 16:17:36 GMT -5
me too.....and i agree. Once we get this issue it's going to be so completely awesomeness we are going to be like "WTH?! WE HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER MONTH TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS!?" Let's hope it's only another month. I think Scott jumped in to help write some of these issues because he knew if there were any more delays, he'd be facing a lynch mob.
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