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Post by abuffyfan on Oct 14, 2010 17:45:34 GMT -5
But it probably is since so many of Buffy Season 8's covers have been homages to classic comic covers.
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Post by wenxina on Oct 14, 2010 17:57:01 GMT -5
But it probably is since so many of Buffy Season 8's covers have been homages to classic comic covers. The Jeanty covers have been homages to classic comic covers. The Chen ones have as I far as I can remember, never actually paid homage to any comic cover. Simply because Chen's illustrative style tends to be on the side of the photorealistic. The only cover that I can think of that pays homage to anything at all, is her cover for "Living Doll" (#25), in which Dawn and Kenny were illustrated in what is generally said to look like a perversion of the romance novel genre.
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Post by The Night Lord on Oct 14, 2010 18:48:39 GMT -5
So, Angel has another son that likes to beat him up as well. Doesn't that put him in the running for Father of the Year? And yep, looks like Dawnie done for Coulda seen that coming, from way back. It was only a matter of time. Also, I think there might some sort of alliance thing happening with the Master and Buffy, possibly against these mecha-demons or against this Twilight kitty Also, I did look back through No Future for You and the kitty cat does appear when Buffy is talking to Xander about her dreams.
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Post by lucyflawless on Oct 14, 2010 19:13:58 GMT -5
We got a huge hint in #37 that the general will use Xander's love for Dawn against Buffy somehow. My guess is Dawn will be hurt in a way that will force Xander to choose between her and Buffy (again) and we know what the outcome of that will be (again). I very much doubt Dawn will actually die since it was on the cover and now in the preview as well. I would think they'd want to keep something like that secret since they're censoring covers left and right now. Also killing off TWO of Xander's girls in the same season would be a bit much, even for a guy with his history.
Looks to me like that Twilight lion is about to merge with Angel saying he IS Twilight as Angel's face turns green, followed by Spike talking about how the seed had "enslaved" the Master. So if Angel had any free will before it might be about to get even weaker. Assuming the seed and the lion are similar entities in all this mythological mumbo jumbo.
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Post by wenxina on Oct 14, 2010 19:36:42 GMT -5
Looks to me like that Twilight lion is about to merge with Angel saying he IS Twilight as Angel's face turns green, followed by Spike talking about how the seed had "enslaved" the Master. So if Angel had any free will before it might be about to get even weaker. Assuming the seed and the lion are similar entities in all this mythological mumbo jumbo. That's one interpretation. The other would be that Angel's face is cast in green light because the Evil!Kitty's mane is a flaming green, which would logically cast a greenish light. Evil!Kitty was pressed on top of Angel, meaning that its in close enough proximity for the green light to affect Angel's coloration.
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Post by BlueJay on Oct 14, 2010 20:36:54 GMT -5
I am personally trying not to interpret anything. Keepin' low expectations for the finale.
And okay, sidebar, this has been bugging me for a while. How come ever since the Twilight/Angel reveal lots of people have been saying things like Evil!Kitty, Twilight!Angel, Hero!Buffy?
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Post by wenxina on Oct 14, 2010 20:41:30 GMT -5
I went with Evil!Kitty because I'm not sure if calling it "Twilight" will confuse it with Twilight the realm, Twilight the villain (aka Angel in a mask), Twilight the event, or Twilight the Meyer series.
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Post by BlueJay on Oct 14, 2010 22:10:12 GMT -5
Nonono, I meant why is it that people do the whole "word!word" thing?
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Post by lucyflawless on Oct 14, 2010 22:56:50 GMT -5
I went with Evil!Kitty because I'm not sure if calling it "Twilight" will confuse it with Twilight the realm, Twilight the villain (aka Angel in a mask), Twilight the event, or Twilight the Meyer series. Haha tell me about it! That's why I'm pondering that panel with Angel and the lion. Angel says he won't do it, there's not gonna be any Twilight. Lion says there already is, and it's Angel. Now is he talking about Twilight the masked fool? Because that's not news to anyone, seems an odd thing to say unless he is being snarky. Or is he talking about the lion somehow being part of Angel? Or something else entirely? Confusing lingo is confusing!
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Post by abuffyfan on Oct 14, 2010 23:08:53 GMT -5
But it probably is since so many of Buffy Season 8's covers have been homages to classic comic covers. The Jeanty covers have been homages to classic comic covers. The Chen ones have as I far as I can remember, never actually paid homage to any comic cover. Simply because Chen's illustrative style tends to be on the side of the photorealistic. The only cover that I can think of that pays homage to anything at all, is her cover for "Living Doll" (#25), in which Dawn and Kenny were illustrated in what is generally said to look like a perversion of the romance novel genre. Just because Jo hasn't done an homage cover yet does not mean she can't change her mind in this case. Not sure why you're fighting me over this...
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Post by wenxina on Oct 14, 2010 23:12:19 GMT -5
I went with Evil!Kitty because I'm not sure if calling it "Twilight" will confuse it with Twilight the realm, Twilight the villain (aka Angel in a mask), Twilight the event, or Twilight the Meyer series. Haha tell me about it! That's why I'm pondering that panel with Angel and the lion. Angel says he won't do it, there's not gonna be any Twilight. Lion says there already is, and it's Angel. Now is he talking about Twilight the masked fool? Because that's not news to anyone, seems an odd thing to say unless he is being snarky. Or is he talking about the lion somehow being part of Angel? Or something else entirely? Confusing lingo is confusing! I think it's Evil!Kitty asserting the fact that he already exists. He is Twilight, the new universe incarnate. He's (I'm going with male here, since there's a mane involved) already been birthed into existence by the cosmic shenanigans. So Angel's claim that Twilight will not happen is laughable, since it's currently mauling him. The Jeanty covers have been homages to classic comic covers. The Chen ones have as I far as I can remember, never actually paid homage to any comic cover. Simply because Chen's illustrative style tends to be on the side of the photorealistic. The only cover that I can think of that pays homage to anything at all, is her cover for "Living Doll" (#25), in which Dawn and Kenny were illustrated in what is generally said to look like a perversion of the romance novel genre. Just because Jo hasn't done an homage cover yet does not mean she can't change her mind in this case. Not sure why you're fighting me over this... I'm not fighting you on anything. I'm merely offering an opinion that the Chen cover is not necessarily a homage to anything, as you are asserting. I'm also offering the opinion that if Chen is indeed paying homage to anything here, it's the romance novel genre.
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Post by veiriti on Oct 15, 2010 4:36:35 GMT -5
So, Angel has another son that likes to beat him up as well. Doesn't that put him in the running for Father of the Year? Night Lord, maybe the Bad Kitty is a girl? Connor has a new winged sister? I was pretty sure that Angel is controlled by some evil power. That explains the crimes he has done to give a birth of his unborn spawn…Angel obliviously has been misled that he is doing it in the name of some “greatest good”… but he can’t give up. He probably will do something really horrible in the end… And he is in character – Angel always had listen to the voices of some “higher powers” – PTB, W&H and even with a soul he killed people – killing Drogyn in a cold blood, ordering the murder of Lindsey, etc… Don’t get me wrong I used to love him, but Angel didn't grip me as Spike, Buffy, Willow and Faith did. Even I feel sorry for him, I think he must to get some comeuppance for his crimes after all…
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Post by moscowwatcher on Oct 15, 2010 4:38:26 GMT -5
That's why I'm pondering that panel with Angel and the lion. Angel says he won't do it, there's not gonna be any Twilight. Lion says there already is, and it's Angel. Now is he talking about Twilight the masked fool? Because that's not news to anyone, seems an odd thing to say unless he is being snarky. Or is he talking about the lion somehow being part of Angel? Or something else entirely? Confusing lingo is confusing! Kitty Twilight could mess with Angel's mind. Trying to crush him completely. To convince him that there is no way back.
Or maybe it's supposed to highlight that you become what you pretend to be. So... is Angel the beast that crucifies Buffy in her dream in #2? I wonder if that dream gave us more clues about what's to come. Given how many things the Seed can do (Death means nothing to it. Just think of it), maybe the Seed will send Buffy to her dreamspace. And season 9 will start in her subconsciousness? I'd love to see Ethan again. I refuse to believe that Joss has killed him only for the shock value.
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Post by The Night Lord on Oct 15, 2010 4:51:59 GMT -5
^ Now that could be possible. I had an idea that the Twilight Kitty would merge with Angel and create the creature from #2 and might possibly be the creature that Buffy and Spike fight in the 'Soon' panel from #34
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Post by veiriti on Oct 15, 2010 7:30:20 GMT -5
^ Now that could be possible. I had an idea that the Twilight Kitty would merge with Angel and create the creature from #2 and might possibly be the creature that Buffy and Spike fight in the 'Soon' panel from #34 Yeah, it’s interesting – honesty I don’t remember that creature of issue #2, but I’ll take a look when I get home ( psssttt… I’m at work now!) But Angel is looking as Angel on the last cover… and Spike’s missing… I’m still so worried about his absence… I don’t think they would kill the character off – Spike’s too valuable character to being wasted off… I think the protectors of the Seed have something to do with the Aurelius bloodline. As Spike said once – “everything is about the blood”. I don’t think Spike is the betrayal , but I have a bad feeling that he will take the Master place in the end – he would being stuck like a protector of the new Seed, that explains why he’s missing in the last cover. Poor Spike is taking the short straw again…
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Post by misterkent on Oct 15, 2010 9:55:47 GMT -5
Nonono, I meant why is it that people do the whole "word!word" thing? I've only encountered this recently, but it seems to me as if its spreading. I first saw it at the TV Tropes site, and I think there its used to note when a character is sort of different, or a different version of the same character. Examples: Vamp!Willow, Dark!Willow, Demon!Giles, Twilight!Angel How I interpret it, anyway ;D
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Post by waitingtodie on Oct 15, 2010 10:04:54 GMT -5
^ Now that could be possible. I had an idea that the Twilight Kitty would merge with Angel and create the creature from #2 and might possibly be the creature that Buffy and Spike fight in the 'Soon' panel from #34 Yeah, it’s interesting – honesty I don’t remember that creature of issue #2, but I’ll take a look when I get home ( psssttt… I’m at work now!) But Angel is looking as Angel on the last cover… and Spike’s missing… I’m still so worried about his absence… I don’t think they would kill the character off – Spike’s too valuable character to being wasted off… I think the protectors of the Seed have something to do with the Aurelius bloodline. As Spike said once – “everything is about the blood”. I don’t think Spike is the betrayal , but I have a bad feeling that he will take the Master place in the end – he would being stuck like a protector of the new Seed, that explains why he’s missing in the last cover. Poor Spike is taking the short straw again… that would be really "Lost Finale"-ish. with someone having to take over as the protector of, in Lost's case, the island and that ancient energy drain kork thing. which is kinda similar to what has been explained about the seed. even if he referenced the crashing plane in 36, joss is more creative than re-using that plot. i hope
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Oct 15, 2010 10:19:21 GMT -5
Nonono, I meant why is it that people do the whole "word!word" thing? I've only encountered this recently, but it seems to me as if its spreading. I first saw it at the TV Tropes site, and I think there its used to note when a character is sort of different, or a different version of the same character. Examples: Vamp!Willow, Dark!Willow, Demon!Giles, Twilight!Angel How I interpret it, anyway ;D It supposedly came from the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles action figures, which had the Turtles in various outfits and disguises and put an exclamation point after the outfit, but before the name... like "Rockstar! Raphael."
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Post by wenxina on Oct 15, 2010 17:50:58 GMT -5
Going through the preview again, it kinda struck me how tightly written these last few books are. In #37, we had the Master talking about how Buffy co-created a "soulless" universe that wasn't worthy of such power (i.e. the Seed). In this preview, we have Twilight incarnate (aka Evil!Kitty) telling Angel that he wants the Seed, because it's his soul. Totally loving the whole fast-paced mythology revamping stuff going on amidst the character moments.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Oct 15, 2010 18:21:09 GMT -5
The big question is, is "Twilight" something the Powers engineered deliberately, or is it something that they have no control over, that they're just trying to make the best of?
Twilion clearly has no concept of altruism, or concern (or even non-contempt) for anything other than itself. So I feel confident in asserting that Twilight is Evil.
But are the Powers cooperating with this evil, or even the source of it? I still keep thinking of how Whistler refers to himself as a demon of balance. "Balance" has been used in the Buffyverse in its Zen sense of peace and harmony. (Remember the Slushee-drinking demon in "That Old Gang of Mine?" Wesley said it was a balancing demon, and therefore harmless and peaceful).
But "balance" in the ethical sense means treating good and evil as equal forces that must be kept equal... so if evil seems to have the upper hand, balance means fighting for good. But if good takes the upper hand (say, by suddenly creating an army of superpowered heroes), then balance means fighting on the side of evil.
It may be that since she empowered the Slayer army and became an unbalancing force of good, the forces of balance... including Whistler, and possibly including the Powers... have become her enemies, and are promoting evil.
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