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Post by AndrewCrossett on Aug 18, 2010 22:02:16 GMT -5
In order for the news to appear in this issue, this deal must have happened before ComicCon. Which is why it's so odd to see that Dark Horse and IDW seemed to be on such good terms for the first time ever. Hardly seems likely if DH had just poached IDW's top-selling comic license away from them.
Could be Fox offered IDW an even more valuable license in its place? Don't know, but it will be interesting to hear what the two publishers have to say.
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Post by BlueJay on Aug 18, 2010 22:44:21 GMT -5
wenxina I already know how Darkhorse wants to do concurrent titles for Season Nine. I'm merely comparing how IDW and Darkhorse function present day.
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Post by 47kwest on Aug 18, 2010 22:54:18 GMT -5
See now your thinking, of course this was known before Comicon. Don't be so naive. Maybe there was a huge compromise over the rights to different titles. No harm no fowl! Okay foul. Sticking with chicken&@$@ terminology. I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall in that boardroom. But all kidding aside, it is what it is and we were kept in the dark, blindsided by the thought that all our rants and raves were for naught because all along they knew this was the culmination of their efforts. Good, bad or otherwise they've let us dwell and ponder and stew in their pomp and circumstance, only to lead us to more questions. Really from marketing standpoint how Brilliant!!!
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Post by patxshand on Aug 18, 2010 23:17:07 GMT -5
Herro, assumptions.
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Post by wenxina on Aug 19, 2010 5:37:53 GMT -5
wenxina I already know how Darkhorse wants to do concurrent titles for Season Nine. I'm merely comparing how IDW and Darkhorse function present day. And I was merely saying that Dark Horse is changing their game plan to address the very peeve you voiced. That's all.
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Post by allycat on Aug 19, 2010 5:56:10 GMT -5
I don't think this was very well thought out marketing-plan. I mean, the goal is to get the two titles under one publishing roof, but the way they're doing it is causing the whole fandom to break into two.
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Post by wenxina on Aug 19, 2010 6:06:52 GMT -5
The whole fandom has already been kinda falling into different groups for a while now. I think Emmie and I used to refer to the whole thing as the Dark Horse/IDW schism. Back when it became apparent that not everything about S8 and "AtF" lined up. I think my point is, regardless of what they did/do, Dark Horse and IDW already had a split fandom to contend with when announcing the news.
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Post by Emmie on Aug 19, 2010 10:29:38 GMT -5
Ah yes, the DH/IDW schism. Still alive and well, I see. Eh, like I side elsewhere there's leaps of logic, sure, but not baseless assumptions. DH says they're publishing an Angel title in 2011. They've previously said they cannot publish an Angel title without an Angel license. IDW currently holds the Angel license. Presumably two rival publishing companies can't share the same license (can they?) so then... Button, button, who's got the button. My money's on... CENSOREDCENSOREDCENSORED!!!1CENSORED
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Post by neowhobaz on Aug 19, 2010 10:46:08 GMT -5
Well as Spike once said: " I wanna see how it all ends."
nuff said
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Post by wenxina on Aug 19, 2010 19:11:27 GMT -5
Dark Horse's statement HERE. IDW's statement HERE.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Aug 19, 2010 19:29:22 GMT -5
I am so happy. It seems like this will canonize a huge part of the IDW books, and once again join the two verses.
I hope we will find out exactly which comics are canon and which are not. This might seem silly to some people, but I really care about which stories are real, and can be "added" to the history of the character. Because I really want to know these characters, what they've been through, what they feel, and why.
I'm so happy that it seems like the verse have grown in just one day, making what some people can "glorified fanfiction" into the real deal. I hope I'm not getting too excited too fast, since canon hasn't even been mentioned, just that the storlines will be coordinated, but it sounds like it will canonize them, doesn't it?
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Post by wenxina on Aug 19, 2010 19:36:59 GMT -5
From the way it sounds, the main ANGEL book will be absorbed into canon, in that it will not contradict anything that Dark Horse has published, and that Dark Horse is accepting the events that transpire as a bridge that connects "Not Fade Away" to what happens in S8. The SPIKE title will also address certain canon events... but the fate of that on-going hasn't actually been spoken off yet. Highly hinted that it will not go on indefinitely, since the license will shift back to Dark Horse, but who knows... maybe a special agreement somewhere, or perhaps Lynch will be the guy in charge of the SPIKE series under the Dark Horse banner.
Btw, anyone notice the "Last Gleaming" spoiler in the IDW press release? It's regarding the nature of Spike's crew. Interesting, I must say...
And PS: I should clarify that this isn't a dig at IDW. I'm just pointing out an observation about a spoiler. Nothing else meant by it.
ETA: Did a little digging, and found this little tidbit in my interview with Allie:
Since Allie's talking about S9 here, I'm interpreting this to mean that Angel and Spike will most likely have their own series under Dark Horse, and that they will occasionally intersect with Buffy's series (since Dark Horse plans of releasing multiple titles under the S9 banner). This of course is my interpretation of the response in light of recent developments.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Aug 19, 2010 20:29:34 GMT -5
Huh. I'd sure like the know the behind-the-scenes on this one. It's a major blow for IDW, and I wonder how much of the cordiality here is for real.
Good to know IDW will be able to keep selling their collected editions.
On the canon front, who knows? It seems kind of silly to say that this Angel series started out canon, then stopped for a while, and then started being canon again. I'm assuming the DH Angel/Spike stuff will be canon, since Scott has said DH doesn't want to do anymore non-canon Jossverse stuff.
If Joss approves making the entire series canon for the sake of clarity, that should give a boost to IDW's book sales.
Whatever the feelings are between the two publishers themselves, there's going to be a lot of anger now between the IDW fans and the DH fans.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Aug 19, 2010 20:38:16 GMT -5
I wonder if IDW felt pressured to make this decision, specially after the Twilight-deal. Anyone know if sales have declined for the IDW series, before or after the Twilight deal?
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Post by wenxina on Aug 19, 2010 20:40:17 GMT -5
At the moment, it's sounding like we can most likely accept the main book and the SPIKE book as canon. Purists may disagree, but just knowing that the IDW books will be recognized and not nullified will more than likely give IDW a boost in sales. I, for one, rather begrudgingly, will now be looking at collecting the issues that I've missed out on... which is a LOT, since we're talking about buying all of "Aftermath", all of Willingham's run, the random bric-a-bracs by Lynch (already have the Drusilla books, but that's it)... wallet not looking happy. We'll see.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Aug 19, 2010 20:41:59 GMT -5
I wonder if IDW felt pressured to make this decision, specially after the Twilight-deal. Anyone know if sales have declined for the IDW series, before or after the Twilight deal? What Twilight deal are you referring to? At the moment, it's sounding like we can most likely accept the main book and the SPIKE book as canon. Purists may disagree, but just knowing that the IDW books will be recognized and not nullified will more than likely give IDW a boost in sales. I, for one, rather begrudgingly, will now be looking at collecting the issues that I've missed out on... which is a LOT, since we're talking about buying all of "Aftermath", all of Willingham's run, the random bric-a-bracs by Lynch (already have the Drusilla books, but that's it)... wallet not looking happy. We'll see. I agree that would be the best way to go, but I still maintain the one necessary component for canonicity is JOSS. He had nothing to do with those stories, so they're not canon unless he says so, through himself or through DH.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Aug 19, 2010 20:50:23 GMT -5
@ Wenxina Remember that most issues are collected in HCs and TPBs. Might make it easier on the wallet, specially if you buy in lots from ebay. Or wait, in case they'll end up releasing the main series in huge collections. Make sense if they do, specially if they'll stop publishing new comics. I wonder if IDW felt pressured to make this decision, specially after the Twilight-deal. Anyone know if sales have declined for the IDW series, before or after the Twilight deal? What Twilight deal are you referring to? The huge "OMG, it contradicts the IDW comics, doesn't it!" debates when the Twilight covers was mistakenly released, and we were shown that Joss had absolutely no contact with IDW about where Angel the character were going. Gave the "it's just glorified fanfiction" people something to talk about. Willingham's rant that followed didn't exactly help IDWs image, either.
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Post by wenxina on Aug 19, 2010 20:51:00 GMT -5
I wonder if IDW felt pressured to make this decision, specially after the Twilight-deal. Anyone know if sales have declined for the IDW series, before or after the Twilight deal? I'm assuming you meant when news of Angel being Twilight came out. If that's what you meant, I think the answer isn't simple. For one, having Angel become a villain may have caused some to drop the book. But then there's also the angry tirade that Willingham sent in, that soured a lot of fans to his run. Then there are the bad characterization bits. I think it's a compounded thing. But IDW AND Dark Horse have pretty much lost quite a fair chunk of their original readership. Which happens. It's a natural progression of things, and may or may not be directly related to any of the events that have transpired this year in terms of behind-the-scenes drama. PS: I was thinking of just buying the collections since it would make life simpler. BUT, I'm also not a fan of redundancy, and if I already have a few books in a particular collection, I may not buy it. ACK... well, haven't quite made up my mind yet.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Aug 19, 2010 20:52:59 GMT -5
Darn, I seem to have posted too late.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Aug 19, 2010 21:41:35 GMT -5
I have all the season 8 TPB's in addition to the individual comics, which is something I hardly ever do. I have all the issues of the main Angel series, but no collected editions. If they become canon, I'll probably go ahead and pick them up just because I like having my canon Buffyverse stuff in an easy-to-access library, instead of having to dig through issues to find references.
I really hope Brian Lynch will continue his Spike series at DH, but I really don't know how he feels about all this.
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