beeemkcl
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Post by beeemkcl on Sept 12, 2010 15:18:54 GMT -5
In 8.36 Buffy says something to Spike that didn't even make sense: that she knew he was alive but was simply too busy to contact him. It didn't make sense because unless she first found out after "Always Darkest" and before frakking Angel, one would think that if she could have contacted him and thought he was still interested in her, she would have.
For the Spike side, whenever he did contact her -- if he even did -- it was well after having sex with Harmony, flirting with Fred, going out on a 'date' with Illyria; having a quasi-girlfriend in Spider and Illyria and having lots of sex with Spider and a few dozen other immortal beauties, sometimes in threesomes and moresomes; and then after all that is having some kind of relationship with Beck which it seems will continue in the upcoming Spike series.
And in 8.36 he doesn't react at all to Buffy or show any signs of jealousy or anything that she just had a lot of sex with Buffy.
Also, it seems that Drusilla is going to make an appearance in Spike .
Disclaimer: I've always liked Spike/Drusilla the best and think it's the best and most loving and epic relationship in the Buffyverse. Also, Spike loved Dru as-is while he never did Buffy. The fact that Spider pretty much was 'Drusilla' and if Dru is coming on Spike , I'd kinda be fine with Spike and Dru actually being together forever. She's the only one who truly knows Spike anyway and loves him for who he actually is.
Anyway, their interaction in 8.36 was pretty much exactly like their interaction in "Beneath You" (7.02) when Spike showed up at Buffy's house. The exception is this time Spike was even more curt with her and showed no hints of wanting her in any capacity other than telling her that he doesn't like the stench of Angel on her.
It also seemed that Buffy actually getting back with Angel was something that Spike couldn't countenance. It's possible that simply seeing her kiss Angel in "Chosen" (7.22) was enough for Spike to decide to die and enough for Spike to never to get back with her. I also don't find it out of the realm of possibility that not only did Spike hear everything she said to Angel in the graveyard in "Chosen", but that Spike overheard everything Buffy said to Angel in 8.36 before telling him to leave. And, of course, a connection can be made here to "Chosen" when Buffy brushes of her feelings for Spike to Angel and tells him that he's the man for her but that she wants him to leave so that Buffy can fight the good fight with Spike. So was either lying to Angel then and in 8.36, or she could have actually been telling the truth both times. Or a combo of the above.
Anyway, Buffy herself could be still under the influence of something, Spike could know that she was under the influence of something, but Spike doesn't appear to have any feelings -- sexual, romantic, or otherwise -- for Buffy or care much that she just had sex with Angel.
Sidenote: Spike seems pretty happy in 8.36, happier than anyone has ever been in S8 or After the Fall . And, yes, I'd include when Buffy was in Twilight.
What are your thoughts? October will be coming soon enough and we'll be getting Spike #1 and Buffy and Spike in Sunnydale together away from Angel!
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sire
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Post by sire on Sept 13, 2010 0:57:04 GMT -5
Im sure Spike still has alot of feelings for Buffy, but since he's been out from under her thumb (aka when he was on Buffy) he's become much more of his own character. He has a soul now, no chip to hold him back. He's not fawning desperatly for Buffy as she isnt his whole world anymore. Although im convinced he still loves her. I believe in Chosen he sacrificed himself to save the world, not for Buffy, certainly not because he was jealous of Angel and this act is what ultimately completed Spike's arc of self redemption.... Until he came back and started on his new path of Champion. Just because he's slept with half of demon-lady L.A doesnt mean he doesnt still having feelings for B. Its been pretty well established on the show that Spike tends to lead with his dick rather then his brain. I will add that the fact that Buffy was aware that Spike was still alive is really annoying. that's a reaction i would've liked to see. But i suppose considering Andrew knew there'd be no reason to believe he wouldnt tell Buffy... Like straight away lol.
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BlueJay
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Post by BlueJay on Sept 13, 2010 21:46:19 GMT -5
I think at this point, Spike is kinda too good for Buffy. Buffy had something good going with Riley. And Buffy eventually had a very close relationship with Spike in season seven, one that I felt could have evolved into romantic love. But Buffy is able to nonchallantly toss those relationships aside for Angel. The core reason Bangel even split was because they can't have sex and if they do, Angel would become Angelus. Now that Angel (as Twilight) is seemingly curse-free and equal-in-power to her, Buffy instantly lost herself to pleasure even at the expense of her friends and Slayers.
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Post by timeturningbabe on Sept 19, 2010 14:00:06 GMT -5
I feel,to my irritation that there is no more Buffy/Spike. Buffy's 'hay,a girl just can't find the time to pick up the phone' is...ugh. If the scenario was posible-you know somebody died to save the world,loved you,you loved him back(in any form...) and NOW he is back,you know it-and you don't call? YOU'R BUSY? My question is -what is wrong with you? I think Spike is free of his Buffy feelings.This makes me mad in so many ways! Drusila was...insane and evil,ok?Talking about the no soul Drusila,but hey when she was alive she was just a puritan loony toon.And Spike is great in the core,without the soul. Wow for him,right? We have the 'yeey,great' event of Buffy being all mushymushy with Angel again. GIVE ME A BRAKE! Does it have to be cliché?Him being her first and all? *starts to faint* I'm sooooo mad at the whole thing I had to join a forum,ok? Why did the main writers lead the comic this way? I know it was hinted in Angel season 5 that Spike is...in to the hero stuff more then ever,but why?? They had a great love-hate relationship that when worked on would be...out of this world.But they just didn't go that way.
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Post by wenxina on Sept 19, 2010 15:23:22 GMT -5
Heads up: Watch the grammar/spelling/punctuation. If it gives people a headache reading your post, chances are, they won't read it.
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Post by timeturningbabe on Sept 19, 2010 20:31:39 GMT -5
More of a 'don't write when not looking at the screen" issue...ever so sorry!
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Post by loveisabird on Sept 21, 2010 7:30:42 GMT -5
I think at this point, Spike is kinda too good for Buffy. Buffy had something good going with Riley. And Buffy eventually had a very close relationship with Spike in season seven, one that I felt could have evolved into romantic love. But Buffy is able to nonchallantly toss those relationships aside for Angel. The core reason Bangel even split was because they can't have sex and if they do, Angel would become Angelus. Now that Angel (as Twilight) is seemingly curse-free and equal-in-power to her, Buffy instantly lost herself to pleasure even at the expense of her friends and Slayers. Actually, the core reason that Bangel split was because he is a vampire and she will get old and die and he wont. Buffy even says in 'The Prom' that she didnt care about the making love part...most likely aa lie but Im just goin on what she said.
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BlueJay
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Post by BlueJay on Sept 22, 2010 2:54:53 GMT -5
Yeah, but just one year later she was ready to resume the relationship the moment Angel turned human.
And now in "Twilight" Buffy skybanged Angel across the universe even though he didn't clarify if he was still a vampire or not. And they're seemingly back together now.
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Post by loveisabird on Sept 22, 2010 3:09:08 GMT -5
Yeah, but just one year later she was ready to resume the relationship the moment Angel turned human. And now in "Twilight" Buffy skybanged Angel across the universe even though he didn't clarify if he was still a vampire or not. And they're seemingly back together now. I think the way Buffy was in "I will Remember You" is completely understandable. The Love of her Life is now mortal, wheres the bad? The whole Angel/Twilight thing though, I have a difficult time believing all that.
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Post by timeturningbabe on Sept 25, 2010 2:49:25 GMT -5
It's all a long stretch. The sex and after math are not gradual. They just go boom in motion,and we (the readers) feel it's sudden
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Post by Inappropriate Starches on Sept 29, 2010 1:48:03 GMT -5
All I know is as a Spuffy fan this has definitely been bothering me. They're both so non-chalant. You can call it growing up I suppose, but I would have thought Buffy would be pissed that Spike was back and didn't say anything. Also, other than a couple of the cuff not even funny comments about her banging Angel, he hasn't said much other. Joss promised Spuffy would be treated as well as Bangel and I hope I feel that way by the end. I guess we'll see.
I don't even hate Bangel, I get it. However I think Spuffy is completely valid and it just seems far too casual. I hope it goes somewhere, even just a conversation about their relationship would be nice.
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Post by usagianddarien on Sept 29, 2010 11:40:18 GMT -5
i agree a conversation about their relationship would be nice. i personally wanted them to end up together.
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Post by farinal on Oct 12, 2010 14:25:38 GMT -5
The whole "I didnt had time to call" thing is just plain stupid. I mean last time Buffy saw Spike was when he sacrificed himself to save the gang, all the slayers and the world....
And when Buffy learned that Spike was alive she just didnt had the time to even make a telephone call? Sorry but thats just doesnt feel right...
And in the issue 37 with Buffy's imagination they just make it like Buffy only wants Spike for sex...
I personally think Spuffy is way more deep and beautiful than Bangel could ever hope to be.
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Post by TannerSaysStuff on Oct 24, 2010 4:22:03 GMT -5
I doubt he's over her but I would assume that she is over him. I'd much rather him be with Dru anyway so I don't really care.
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Post by Maggie on Oct 24, 2010 7:11:52 GMT -5
Dru also totally loved Angel more than Spike, and she's soulless and insane. So just ugh to Spike and Dru. Ugh.
I could get behind Spike moving on to another slayer or something like that.
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Post by drywallman on Oct 24, 2010 17:14:46 GMT -5
The whole "I didnt had time to call" thing is just plain stupid. I mean last time Buffy saw Spike was when he sacrificed himself to save the gang, all the slayers and the world.... It's weird that Spike never just saved the world, its always that he saved Buffy, the gang, the potentials, etc... and the world to boot. You don't see that with anyone else. People don't say that Buffy saved the scoobies, and the world in The Gift. And I'm pretty sure that no one is saying in season 6 Xander saved Willow, Buffy, Giles, Anya, Dawn, all the potentials we hadn't even met yet, Mr's Milton who lives next door, her cat Fluffles and that mouse she's always chasing. Keep at it Fluffles. You'll get that little bugger someday
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Paul
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Post by Paul on Oct 24, 2010 18:31:29 GMT -5
The whole "I didnt had time to call" thing is just plain stupid. I mean last time Buffy saw Spike was when he sacrificed himself to save the gang, all the slayers and the world.... It's weird that Spike never just saved the world, its always that he saved Buffy, the gang, the potentials, etc... and the world to boot. You don't see that with anyone else. People don't say that Buffy saved the scoobies, and the world in The Gift. And I'm pretty sure that no one is saying in season 6 Xander saved Willow, Buffy, Giles, Anya, Dawn, all the potentials we hadn't even met yet, Mr's Milton who lives next door, her cat Fluffles and that mouse she's always chasing. Keep at it Fluffles. You'll get that little bugger someday Well, duh. That's cos Spike is the bestest most importantest person in the whole Buffyverse Spikeverse.
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Post by Randi Giles on Oct 24, 2010 18:36:05 GMT -5
^You were right the first time. You didn't have to cross out Buffyverse. I'm clearly biased.
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Shane
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Post by Shane on Oct 24, 2010 21:03:15 GMT -5
I think he's still in love with her but he's just pushing all that to the side so he can get on with saving the world. And I prefer it this way. They could have showed it more clearly but right now there are more important things going on. Plus, it may detract from the betrayal if Spike isn't the one who betrays her. And I kinda prefer it this way - it leaves their story fairly open so the writers can develop it when they actually have a bigger story about it. That way we'd get to know more about them as individuals and not just their relationship with each other. Dru also totally loved Angel more than Spike, and she's soulless and insane. So just ugh to Spike and Dru. Ugh. I could get behind Spike moving on to another slayer or something like that. From BtVS 3x08 - Lovers Walk: Joyce: (sits across from him) Well, she sounds very unreasonable. Spike: She is. She's out of her mind. (sniffs) That's what I miss most about her. (smiles) Joyce: Well, Spike, sometimes even when two people seem right for each other, their lives just take different paths. When Buffy's father and I... Spike: (interrupts) No, this is different. Our love was eternal. Literally. (calms down) You got any of those little marshmallows? LOL, I guess we just like him/them for very different reasons.
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Post by Peroxide Princess on Oct 24, 2010 23:55:34 GMT -5
I have trouble believing he's over her. Maybe he's accepted the idea that she will never love him - even though I'd bet she does - or maybe he's just too busy saving the world, which would make him a heck of allot more mature than some other ensouled vamps we know. I have hope for them, but I would almost rather see the series end without her making a decision. Don't get me wrong - I'm all Spuffy - but I think we get too wrapped up in her love life when the journey of her maturity as a heroine is more inspiring and actually more to the core point of the series. If she does choose Angle I would like to see Spikes love for her grow into a strong friendship sort -well before hand- something that would let us know that he has moved on and has become a better stronger person for what he experienced.
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