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Post by Tyler Austin "tiewashere" on Oct 21, 2010 18:53:44 GMT -5
I agree with Josh. I don't necessarily need to see the resolution of this arc. But it would be nice to see, and good writing in general, to expand on something so major. Now, the thing that erked me even more than Willow just saying she brought Kennedy back to life (not sure if she actually says she brought her back to life...it's been a while ) but the fact that Buffy and the gang (assuming they were there) had absolutely no reaction to this revelation. Could you imagine if your friend went crazy with power, got scared to use it after going evil, and then did the same thing that started her down that dangerous path? Good friends.
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Post by wenxina on Oct 21, 2010 19:19:15 GMT -5
Erm... Buffy responded with shock when Willow first states that Kennedy died. Willow quickly backtracks, and tells her that it was only temporary, stating that she always tells the story wrong. And in "ToYL", Buffy immediately asks about Kennedy when she sees Future Dark Willow; clearly associating the veins and dark hair with a previous heartbreak.
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Post by Josh on Oct 21, 2010 19:26:35 GMT -5
I agree with Josh. I don't necessarily need to see the resolution of this arc. But it would be nice to see, and good writing in general, to expand on something so major. Now, the thing that erked me even more than Willow just saying she brought Kennedy back to life (not sure if she actually says she brought her back to life...it's been a while ) but the fact that Buffy and the gang (assuming they were there) had absolutely no reaction to this revelation. Could you imagine if your friend went crazy with power, got scared to use it after going evil, and then did the same thing that started her down that dangerous path? Good friends. Well I don't know that I'd say Buffy's resurrection was the catalyst for Willow going down a dark path. Tara and Willow got in a fight in the Season 5 episode Tough Love about magic. But I agree. There's a difference between light magic and dark magic and resurrection no matter how you spin it is dark.
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Post by Tyler Austin "tiewashere" on Oct 21, 2010 22:33:30 GMT -5
Erm... Buffy responded with shock when Willow first states that Kennedy died. Willow quickly backtracks, and tells her that it was only temporary, stating that she always tells the story wrong. And in "ToYL", Buffy immediately asks about Kennedy when she sees Future Dark Willow; clearly associating the veins and dark hair with a previous heartbreak. Buffy react out of shocked that Kennedy was DEAD. Not that Willow, or something, brought her back to life again.
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Post by wenxina on Oct 21, 2010 22:55:16 GMT -5
The resurrection spell didn't start Willow's downward spiral, though. Willow was already showing signs of messing about with magic in S5 with her juicing up of the "tinker bell lights" spell Tara taught her. Plus, she had already absorbed dark magic in order to face down Glory. Point is, the resurrection spell didn't start anything. It was part of the cascade. It was, however, at that time, possibly the largest, darkest, most complicated spell Willow had ever performed.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Oct 22, 2010 8:53:09 GMT -5
I don't think Willow's resurrection of Buffy was inherently "dark" magic... she invoked Osiris, followed the prescribed rules, and accomplished it without invoking any evil powers. However... it was the event that made Willow realize just how powerful magic could make her... and how powerful it could make her feel. Like Xander, she'd always felt a little inadequate next to Buffy... but now, the balance of power was different. Buffy was dead and in the ground, and mighty Willow was the one who brought her back. Before that, her big experiment with heavy magic (facing down Glory) had resulted in getting her ass kicked. But successfully raising Buffy made her feel like the queen of the world... and all because of magic. I think it was this thrilling sense of power that led to Willow becoming addicted to magic. As for Kennedy's death, I can't help but think it had something to do with Aluwyn. Maybe the rules required a human sacrifice for Willow to get Aluwyn's services, but it only had to be "technically" dead rather than "all-the-way" dead. Or maybe it just required "the little death" -- something Will and Ken are quite good at.
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Post by wenxina on Oct 22, 2010 9:10:53 GMT -5
The resurrection spell also called for the blood of an innocent (fawn), and involved slices all over Willow's body, not to mention the coughing up of a snake. All dark images. Giles describes the magic invoked at "ferocious and primal", which are usually "bad".
But as I said before, Willow's tendency towards magic as a quick fix has been shown time and again. Her dependency on it does stem from her self-esteem issues as you say, but it's only highlighted in S6. But that's not to say that we hadn't seen signs of it earlier. The tinker bell light spell sticks out to me, as it was one time when I remember Tara's expression... she wasn't happy about Will's tinkering.
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Post by abuffyfan on Oct 22, 2010 9:40:07 GMT -5
A throwaway line for a throwaway character. I don't think it needs to be followed up on.
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Post by BlueJay on Oct 22, 2010 19:03:17 GMT -5
A throwaway line for a throwaway character. I don't think it needs to be followed up on. It's not so much Kennedy we care about. It's about Willow and how she and Ken got to that point.
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Post by wenxina on Oct 23, 2010 8:38:39 GMT -5
Or maybe it just required "the little death" -- something Will and Ken are quite good at. It's the pierced tongue... ;D And I like this thought process...
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Post by TannerSaysStuff on Oct 24, 2010 4:00:19 GMT -5
I hope this isn't ever explained, not because it couldn't be interesting, more just because I don't care.
We know it all ends up good in the end so I don't really have any desire to see it.
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Post by Billie Erin on Oct 25, 2010 15:12:09 GMT -5
It didn't make much sense really- it sounded like there was a mini-series on the cards and then they had to abandon it or something?
Maybe it was a cheap ploy to get us to like Kennedy more?
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Post by TannerSaysStuff on Oct 28, 2010 13:25:44 GMT -5
I don't think so, it just seemed like a throwaway line that people read to much into.
Also i don't see how it could be inserted to make people like her more.
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Post by Billie Erin on Oct 28, 2010 14:16:57 GMT -5
I was thinking the sympathy vote or making her seem braver, maybe even linking her a little more to Buffy. It would be a way to give her character depth I thought?
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