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Post by midwesternwatcher on Oct 29, 2010 10:37:25 GMT -5
I'm taking a break from watching Benediction, 3.21, where Angel attempts to bring Connor into the AI team and make a home for him at the Hyperion Hotel.
On our Buffy board, we've had talks about Buffy's surrogate family and also Dawn's. What about Connor?
There should be much to say about this.
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Post by janas on Oct 29, 2010 11:59:32 GMT -5
On Connor? but Angel is not the surrogate family, Angel is the true father of Connor. The Hyperion Hotel is his home, he was born there...but maybe I've misunderstood, exactly what you wanted to say?
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Post by midwesternwatcher on Oct 29, 2010 19:00:43 GMT -5
He doesn't have a living mother, or siblings, or grandparents or cousins. He has unrelated people who fill those roles as best they can. Right?
We speak of Buffy having a surrogate family, even though her biological mother was on the scene, and was a good and effective parent, which Angel, despite his good intentions, never quite managed to be. Buffy had a sister, too, or at least remembered one.
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Post by Josh on Oct 30, 2010 3:19:27 GMT -5
He doesn't have a living mother, or siblings, or grandparents or cousins. He has unrelated people who fill those roles as best they can. Right? We speak of Buffy having a surrogate family, even though her biological mother was on the scene, and was a good and effective parent, which Angel, despite his good intentions, never quite managed to be. Buffy had a sister, too, or at least remembered one. I really think as far as the show goes, Connor is really not in a position to ever have been part of a surrogate family. When he is around most of the time he is merely obnoxious, rebelling, and just straight up not actually part of the group. He never develops the bonds to even have a surrogate family type setting with the members of Angel Investigations. I mean, he does come back near the end of the series, but even then it doesn't seem he develops a family type bond with anyone, not even Angel. It's more of a just new respect that happens.
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Post by orangejuicepony on Oct 30, 2010 3:37:27 GMT -5
I think that the people of Angel Investigations all tried to be there for Connor and give him the family that he never had but he resisted at every turn. Connor would just throw a wrench in every possible positive relationship that he encountered. I think that in Deep Down there is evidence of Fred and Gunn trying to form a parental relationship with Connor over the months when Angel was gone.
Angel obviously cares deeply for Connor, but Connor is always finding new reasons to distrust him and therefore never forms a familial bond with his father.
But even though Connor runs away from all of these possible relationships I think he really wants a family. When evil Cordy tells him that they are going to be a family he decides that he will do anything for here and "their child." So he really wants to be part of a family but every time he gets close there is a loss of trust, and it makes it so he never has a real family until he is given the false memories.
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Post by midwesternwatcher on Oct 30, 2010 9:59:58 GMT -5
So we might say AI was a failed surrogate family, or a dysfunctional surrogate family? Maybe a foster surrogate family situation that didn't work out?
It's sad to think what Cordelia or Fred, or Gunn, could've done for Connor. Wesley? His heart was in the right place, but he wouldn't have been so effective. He was damaged goods himself.
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Post by joxerlives on Nov 17, 2010 19:24:17 GMT -5
I would love to see more of Connor with Gunn and Fred as his surrogate parents between season 3/4, that would have been interesting
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Post by midwesternwatcher on Nov 17, 2010 19:46:17 GMT -5
I just finished "Deep Down." Apparently Connor was pretty insufferable during that unshown Summer. Gunn and Fred were both pretty irritated with him.
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