balesthebloody
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Post by balesthebloody on Mar 20, 2008 22:01:07 GMT -5
The First was beaten and bad at that! The Wolf, Ram, and Hart still seem to be going strong. Angel even says, I think in , "Power Play" that they will always be around as long as man is evil. Plus they get things done! L.A. is a prime example of this.
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alycat7
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Post by alycat7 on Mar 21, 2008 1:58:32 GMT -5
true the first was beaten. But without the first, there is no WolfRam and Hart.
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Post by Wyndam on Mar 21, 2008 2:01:29 GMT -5
Wolfram and Hart can literally unleash hell wherever they want.
They First has to first have someone's blood drained onto a mystical seal before it can unleash it's "hell". And even then, it actually has to raise an army first.
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patrick
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Post by patrick on Mar 21, 2008 9:34:33 GMT -5
Wolfram and Hart. Best villian in all the Buffyverse.
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balesthebloody
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Post by balesthebloody on Mar 21, 2008 21:47:31 GMT -5
One thing that adds to their "Badass factor" is that they are never seen. You always have to wonder what The Senior Partners really look like. Kinda makes them scary IMO!
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Post by skullovitch on Mar 25, 2008 2:22:41 GMT -5
Wolfram & Hart all the way. I mean sure the First was...well the First evil, but Wolfram & Hart didn't seem to be that far behind from it. Sure the First did all kinds of evil deeds during it's time on Buffy, but Wolfram & Hart was committing evil the ENTIRE time during Angel and even before Angel! I don't know, I just find it more horrorfying for an entire lawfrim who has pretty much the biggest and baddest toys around to come after you rather than some ghost who commands around a demented priest.
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sire
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Post by sire on Mar 25, 2008 2:49:09 GMT -5
Just a random thought... what if those two demons in Fray, the big neither wigs that send Urkkon to haddyn are 'wolfram and hart' or part of the wolf the ram and the hart demon sect or whatevs.
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Post by hunter233 on Mar 25, 2008 3:20:27 GMT -5
That had actually crossed my mind, but I ended up strongly doubting it. Those guys were way too bumbling to be the master manipulators we've grown to know and love. It just seems unlikely.
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Post by Wyndam on Mar 25, 2008 12:50:47 GMT -5
It would be interesting to see some form of Wolfram & Hart in any future installments of Fray.
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Mathieu
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Post by Mathieu on Sept 12, 2008 9:57:13 GMT -5
I would say the First because as many already put it, the First is the very origin of Evil itself. Wolfram & Hart exists because the First existed in the first place. However W&H are much more interesting than the First. Catch my drift?
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Sept 12, 2008 10:16:55 GMT -5
The first wants to destroy all life, but W&H wants to repress it. I'm guessing the W&h solution would be a lot more painful than just being killed.
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Mathieu
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Post by Mathieu on Sept 12, 2008 10:22:26 GMT -5
The first wants to destroy all life, but W&H wants to repress it. I'm guessing the W&h solution would be a lot more painful than just being killed. Where did you get that the First wants to destroy all life from? It just wants to cause pain, period. Right. And to me W&H wanting to repress life is just plainly inspired by pure evil, in other words the First. I'm not saying the First was a great big bad, but it's a fact all sources of evil stem from the First.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Sept 12, 2008 13:40:27 GMT -5
The first wants to destroy all life, but W&H wants to repress it. I'm guessing the W&h solution would be a lot more painful than just being killed. Where did you get that the First wants to destroy all life from? It just wants to cause pain, period. Right. And to me W&H wanting to repress life is just plainly inspired by pure evil, in other words the First. I'm not saying the First was a great big bad, but it's a fact all sources of evil stem from the First. Well I get that mostly from this quote(and probably some fanfics made me take that for granted): "MORPHING EVIL THING (as DRUSILLA): ...you never will. You'll always be mine. You'll always be in the dark with me, singing our little songs. You like our little songs, don't you? You've always liked them, right from the beginning. And that's where we're going... MORPHING EVIL THING (as THE MASTER): ...right back to the beginning. Not the Bang... not the Word... the true beginning." Right back to the beginning. What I'm saying is that the first evil wants to kill(preferably painfully), while W&H wants to control, and obviously don't care if they cause pain. Since I haven't meet the senior partners or the first evil in person, or read interviews with them, I have no idea who is really most evil (that's how I define the "bigger bad"). Althought for a "first evil", it seems a lot more human than a pure force of destruction. It's even disapointed when it lose.
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Post by witcher on Sept 18, 2008 7:29:23 GMT -5
I'm going with... I think the First. I mean not because whats seen on the shows because for me they are equally bad-ass but the WR&H are Old Ones and The First is older ( and I figure more evil) than the Old Ones..
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Post by VampSlayer on Sept 30, 2008 0:16:57 GMT -5
Aaahhh! Help me, evil lawyers are chasing me! Please, First Evil is... the first evil! Evil beats lawyers!
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Post by snizapman6294 on Feb 25, 2009 21:26:04 GMT -5
wolfram and hart no question.
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worldofshrimps
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Post by worldofshrimps on May 23, 2009 15:32:40 GMT -5
Wolfram & Hart were much more believable and convincing than The First imho!
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