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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jun 4, 2008 7:15:13 GMT -5
It is a past thing. If you read the preview pages for issue fifteen then you will see that Willow has already met the snake lady. Perhaps she met the snake-lady several times and will meet again, and this vision hasn't happened yet. I know I'm stubborn, but nothing's written in stone.
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Post by balesthebloody on Jun 4, 2008 15:27:34 GMT -5
It is a past thing. If you read the preview pages for issue fifteen then you will see that Willow has already met the snake lady. Perhaps she met the snake-lady several times and will meet again, and this vision hasn't happened yet. I know I'm stubborn, but nothing's written in stone. Very true. I guess it is just a perception thing until we know for sure.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jun 13, 2008 6:55:43 GMT -5
God I will be soooo mad if she cheated. I think I might even forget that fact that I would be wrong and that it is in the past, if i found out Willow cheated again.
Nope, That would piss me of too.
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Post by commandercool on Jun 13, 2008 20:26:53 GMT -5
I... can't remember what I was going to say... I had a opinion, but I forgetted it.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jul 7, 2008 7:14:00 GMT -5
Now that I've read issue 16 and seen how unwilling Willow is to talk about the snake-lady, i havet to say that it's probably from the past. She doesn't want to talk about it with Buffy, Xander OR Kennedy. I'm still wishing that it was unvolunteraty, but hey, can't say that i would be completely surprised if Willow cheated.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Aug 9, 2008 8:58:19 GMT -5
Damn, I might be right. Look at the Q&A for issue 17. I'm going to ask Scott to clearify next time.
"17. skytteflickan88: Scott, I have questions about Anywhere But Here. Willow's line "I was never naughty here. I don't even.. Robin, has this happened yet?"
Which vision does it refer to? I have to know, because if it refers to the snake-lady-vision, it probably means that that vision hasn't happened (so no cheating Willow) but if it refers to another vision, I have some people who needs to tell me "I told you so". Also, Saga Vasuki, that's the snake lady, isn't it? ~Thanks.
Scott: Skytteflickan—Yes, Saga Vasuki is the snake woman. As for the line from Willow, I think you're misreading it. Go back and reread the scene. They've just arrived in this particular room, Willow says that, and then they see Buffy on the floor. Think it through, ask again if you need to."
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Aug 10, 2008 7:48:57 GMT -5
I changed my vote to I have no idea. I'm really confused.
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Post by wenxina on Aug 10, 2008 12:17:16 GMT -5
Scott: Skytteflickan—Yes, Saga Vasuki is the snake woman. As for the line from Willow, I think you're misreading it. Go back and reread the scene. They've just arrived in this particular room, Willow says that, and then they see Buffy on the floor. Think it through, ask again if you need to." I still think that the majority of us are right, and I think Scott affirms that. He says they they've "just arrived" in the room, and Willow says that she hasn't been naughty there. And #15 is pretty much confirmation that Willow has been "naughty" with Saga Vasuki. #16 confirms that fact once again.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Aug 13, 2008 8:27:31 GMT -5
Yeah, you guys are probably right. But there's still a lot to clearify.
EDIT- in case I'm not around for the next q&a, can someone ask this for me?
"Okay Scott, back to issue 10. This line that Willow says still confuses me; "I was never naughty here. I don't even.. Robin, has this happened yet?" Why would Willow say this? If she arrived to a new room, why would she say that she has never been naughty there? And what is it she doesn't remember? And is it the Saga-vision that she asks Robin if it has happened yet, or is it the Buffy-vision? I just want to know if Willow has been naked with Saga yet, because that line in Anywhere But Here contradicts it, but not the other issues.
Thanks."
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Post by wenxina on Aug 13, 2008 10:00:43 GMT -5
Yeah, you guys are probably right. But there's still a lot to clearify. EDIT- in case I'm not around for the next q&a, can someone ask this for me? "Okay Scott, back to issue 10. This line that Willow says still confuses me; "I was never naughty here. I don't even.. Robin, has this happened yet?" Why would Willow say this? If she arrived to a new room, why would she say that she has never been naughty there? And what is it she doesn't remember? And is it the Saga-vision that she asks Robin if it has happened yet, or is it the Buffy-vision? I just want to know if Willow has been naked with Saga yet, because that line in Anywhere But Here" contradicts it, but not the other issues. Thanks." How about I just take a knock at it, and you can ask Scott another question instead? She says she hasn't been naughty in that room (the one with the beat-up Buffy), because up to that moment, they were visiting each other's dark secrets, their naughties, if you will. So, naturally, she'd assume that they had skipped to another one of her naughty moments. And since she doesn't remember being naughty there, she asks Robin if this event had already taken place, whether she had simply forgotten it, or if it's a glimpse into the future. Nothing in "Anywhere but Here contradicts the fact that Willow has been naughty with Saga Vasuki. The point that Scott (and I) have been trying to make is that what Willow says is in reference to the room she had just arrived in, and not the vision with Saga. That vision has already happened, and the #15 vision flash through Kumiko confirms that Willow has at least met Saga before... although I'd say that they're more than simple casual acquaintances. And the fact that Willow doesn't really contradict Buffy in #16 about the origin of her vision further lends credibility to that line of thought. In short, it's in reference to the "Buffy vision" as you put it... although I don't think she had even noticed the crying Buffy at that point, as the room was still shrouded in fog. It's Buffy who asks the question regarding what happened to her. That's about as clear as I can make it... hope that helps.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Aug 13, 2008 10:20:14 GMT -5
She says she hasn't been naughty in that room (the one with the beat-up Buffy),
I just don't know what Scott meant, did Willow mean that seh hadn't been naughty in that room or did she mean that she had not been naughty in the Buffy-room?
It's Buffy who asks the question regarding what happened to her.
She does? Not the line I brought up.
I just want to make sure, so I'll ask him. Guesses don't satisfy me, sorry.
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Post by wenxina on Aug 13, 2008 11:31:00 GMT -5
She says she hasn't been naughty in that room (the one with the beat-up Buffy),I just don't know what Scott meant, did Willow mean that seh hadn't been naughty in that room or did she mean that she had not been naughty in the Buffy-room? Those are the same rooms. The room that Willow said that she hadn't been naughty in is the same room with the beat-up Buffy. This would be the room they end up in after the Saga Vasuki vision. She does? Not the line I brought up. I know that it isn't the line you brought up. I just wanted to point out that I didn't think that Willow even saw the crying Buffy. But it doesn't change the fact that the rooms you're referencing are one and the same. I just want to make sure, so I'll ask him. Guesses don't satisfy me, sorry. I'm not guessing, but ask away.
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Aug 13, 2008 14:10:16 GMT -5
I think xi has this one pretty much nailed.
Before #15 came out, this was a little more confusing, because we didn't know for sure if the image of her with Vasuki was a vision of something that had happened, or was going to happen. But #15 and #16 do a pretty good job of confirming that it's something that has already happened.
So Willow comes out of that vision, feeling guilty and embarrassed about such a "naughty" moment being revealed to Buffy, and suddenly finds herself in an unfamiliar room. Her immediate reaction is (not in so many words), "Where are we? I don't recognize this place. Is this a vision of something that hasn't happened yet? Because okay, I was naughty back there" (the previous vision with Vasuki), "but I've never been naughty here." Then she looks over and sees Buffy, bleeding and crying, laying on the ground.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Aug 13, 2008 15:05:02 GMT -5
I just don't get why Willow would phrase it that way. Your theories are making sense, it seems to be from the past, but those lines are... weird.
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Post by Rebecca on Aug 25, 2008 11:48:48 GMT -5
I see your point that upon scrutiny, it becomes confusing. Upon first reading I found it to be a sort of throw back to TV Buffy where they would word things oddly, but upon passing make sense (Fray anyone??). However I agree with wenxina and Diablo that it seems to be confirmed by recent issues and Scott himself. He even says that you may be mis-reading it.
I think Willow's line was just a segway from the naughty scenes. Perhaps she was expecting more naughty visions, which makes me believe that she has been more naughty than what has been alluded to from that point. The line itself shows that she did not recognize that place or remember that scene. She even goes so far as to ask has that even even happened yet, thus differentiating this scene from the two previous scenes, in which they were more embarrassed, expressing remembrance and a vision of the past.
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